Originally Posted by Domino

This is why it is a tortoise and hare situation.
The hare rushes out and provides services by accident or by design (i.e. Iberia lobe) then sits back with a big grin.
But the tortoise has to spend time ensuring all their paperwork is in order, the lawyers have to do the same thing before proceeding with a court case.
The court case takes time because it is so clogged with other actions like Illegal Immigrants flexing thei Human Rights, then after much deliberation it goes to the Supreme Court, who (rightly IMO) then ask the more than clogged European Court for a deliberation as it effects people in more than one country and could impinge on other countries legal systems.

So in a nutshell, a 20 day spurt by tortoise gives him the opportunity to take money from consumers for 3-4++ years.
but that will all end when the owners of the copyrighted material get the new satellite in position without the Iberian, or any other, lobe.

but as has already been discussed, it could be breech of contract to take up a subscription to Sky UK from your brother's house in Scunthorpe for use in Spain. That surely would be deception as you did it with the intent of deceiving the service provider as to your location.

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Originally Posted by Fred James

But how do you reconcile that with the fact that when you signed the Sky contract you agreed to only use it at the address at which it was registered and not to use it outside the UK?

You may not be in breach of EU law but you would be in breach of contract.

Anyway it's all academic as we all know that for a private (as opposed to a commercial) user Sky couldn't care less unless you phone them and ask why you are getting bad reception in Spain!

Originally Posted by BAT7311

sorry i offer FULL British channels via officall links AND SKY via the internet .i stopped doing satellite TV after 20 years last year ...
i live in tenerife,we lost half of the sky channels a few months back,so maybe we are ahead of yourself as to the future way of viewing

Originally Posted by BAT7311

NO ITS NOT please read the ECJ judgement .you CAN watch LEGALLY WATCH a SKY card in SPAIN as long as you OBTAINED IT LEGALLY there are no sodium thiopental injections given in CURRYS when asking for a SKY card . its a contract for watching TV ,up there with the other ´´important´´ contract like AA membership , mobile phone ,gym membership ..and of course taking book out at your local library .its quite fanciful to call it ´´deception

Originally Posted by BAT7311

no,no the SKY CONTRACT IS ILLEGAL that is the ruling from ECJ


In its judgment delivered today, the Court of Justice holds that national legislation which prohibits the import, sale or use of foreign decoder cards is contrary to the freedom to provide services and cannot be justified either in light of the objective of protecting intellectual property rights or by the objective of encouraging the public to attend football stadiums.

Originally Posted by Domino

please cite the ruling
thanks

Originally Posted by Joddle

I like that - nice quip - I possibly deserved that - and maybe you are ahead of us here on the mainland - but here the sat offers the cheapest and best quality option - elsewhere in Ibereia things are not so rosey!

Originally Posted by Fred James

But how do you reconcile that with the fact that when you signed the Sky contract you agreed to only use it at the address at which it was registered and not to use it outside the UK?

You may not be in breach of EU law but you would be in breach of contract.

Anyway it's all academic as we all know that for a private (as opposed to a commercial) user Sky couldn't care less unless you phone them and ask why you are getting bad reception in Spain!

Originally Posted by Domino

OH

so when I have a prang in my car the AA will come out to Spain and move it to home (London WC1) for me without any arguement, even though I have blatently been out here more than the specified 90 days if I tell them I was within that period.

if it isn't deception then what is it ?? Telling Porkies ? Bending the Truth ? They didn't listen to me properly ?

next time my insurance goes up by 30% I will just smile at all those expats who deceive the insurance companies and keep their cars offshore along with their money, their houses, their DLA etc without telling the truth.
But its ok, its Spain
And I am sanctemonious.

Originally Posted by BAT7311

you sure they are olives trees your growing out there ???

national legislation = law passed by a LOWER LEGAL BODY

which prohibits the import, sale or use of foreign decoder cards = STOPS YOU IMPORTING A SKY CARD INTO SPAIN

Is contrary to the freedom to provide services = AGAINST THE FREE MARKET

cannot be justified either in light of the objective of protecting intellectual property rights or by the objective of encouraging the public to attend football stadiums. = BAD THING

simples

Originally Posted by Domino

so the answer is NO YOU CAN'T CITE THE LEGISLATION CONCERNED.

Is that can't or won't - because is proves you are a ********

you have the floor...........
your public awaits you.............

or is this another case of I am an expat and I can do what I want when I want

Originally Posted by Joddle

The big issue with all this is that no one knows for sure how the sky and freesat channles will be distributed over the three satelites once 2E is up and running - if anyone says reception WILL be so and so then they are guessing. All we know is that the 2E sat is supposed to be very similar to 2F and on that basis there are preictions of doom and gloom in certain parts of spain and celebration in others.

HOWEVER despite the close similarities in the specs of 2E and 2F that does not mean the footprints (reception areas) will be identical - in fact it will take only a fraction of a mm difference in the depolyment of the antenna on the new sat to give a markedly different footprlint on the ground - and that could mean whole new regions out in the cold or whole currently cold regions will be better off - we simply dont know - and no one does until the 2E sat is up and running.

If you want to think aboout how subtle these reception footplrints are, consider this - when 2F took over the Channels 5 channels earlier, the Valencia region was hardly changed yet the Barcelona area lost reception amost totally - and this despite it being nearer the intended UK spot and closer to the beam axis!!!. This predicion game is fraught - don't get caught up in it - just wait and see.