Starmer hatches new free movement plot with Spain
Aug 4th 2024 | 3:31 am
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Aug 4th 2024 | 4:43 am
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Re: Starmer hatches new free movement plot with Spain
Over time transitional agreements on various matters such as the Youth Mobility scheme, can start laying the ground work, including for bespoke agreements.
Over time the demographics are such, as older Brexiter fanatics die off, and Britain continues on this downward spiral, 10 years from now new possibilities emerge concerning the EEA or EU.
Aug 4th 2024 | 5:09 am
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Re: Starmer hatches new free movement plot with Spain
The UK desperately needs a Norway type deal but the EU are reluctant to move towards that at the moment because the UK is so unstable. Starmer would jump at the chance but he was probably warned by the EU during various meetings he had with them that it is a non starter.
Apparently the EU is worried that precious time would be taken up with negotiations and then the UK would elect another basket case government in 5 years' time. With Farage waiting in the wings and stoking up division, it's just too risky.
Apparently the EU is worried that precious time would be taken up with negotiations and then the UK would elect another basket case government in 5 years' time. With Farage waiting in the wings and stoking up division, it's just too risky.
The problem is that the economy will continue to take a hit for as long as we are not part of the single market. Hence, joining the EEA is the most important step right now.
Aug 4th 2024 | 5:16 am
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Re: Starmer hatches new free movement plot with Spain
For the moment.
Over time transitional agreements on various matters such as the Youth Mobility scheme, can start laying the ground work, including for bespoke agreements.
Over time the demographics are such, as older Brexiter fanatics die off, and Britain continues on this downward spiral, 10 years from now new possibilities emerge concerning the EEA or EU.
Over time transitional agreements on various matters such as the Youth Mobility scheme, can start laying the ground work, including for bespoke agreements.
Over time the demographics are such, as older Brexiter fanatics die off, and Britain continues on this downward spiral, 10 years from now new possibilities emerge concerning the EEA or EU.
We don't know what the situation will be in 10 years' time; the EU may be strongly united and/or the UK will be knocking on the door asking to be readmitted, but it's far from guaranteed.
I also worry about generations being pitted against one another and sentiments like how much better things will be once all the old people have died.
Aug 4th 2024 | 10:46 am
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Re: Starmer hatches new free movement plot with Spain
Have you check the economies of EU countries like Germany recently? Or the growing anti-EU sentiment in some countries?
We don't know what the situation will be in 10 years' time; the EU may be strongly united and/or the UK will be knocking on the door asking to be readmitted, but it's far from guaranteed.
I also worry about generations being pitted against one another and sentiments like how much better things will be once all the old people have died.
We don't know what the situation will be in 10 years' time; the EU may be strongly united and/or the UK will be knocking on the door asking to be readmitted, but it's far from guaranteed.
I also worry about generations being pitted against one another and sentiments like how much better things will be once all the old people have died.
I agree as with almost any speculation about 10 years from now nothing is guaranteed. . Yes I believe, and hope, the UK comes to its senses in 10 years.
I simply pointed out what polls have indicated, the age breakdown of Brexit voters, and certainly not all older voters voted for Brexit.
Aug 4th 2024 | 11:08 am
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Re: Starmer hatches new free movement plot with Spain
Have you check the economies of EU countries like Germany recently? Or the growing anti-EU sentiment in some countries?
We don't know what the situation will be in 10 years' time; the EU may be strongly united and/or the UK will be knocking on the door asking to be readmitted, but it's far from guaranteed.
I also worry about generations being pitted against one another and sentiments like how much better things will be once all the old people have died.
We don't know what the situation will be in 10 years' time; the EU may be strongly united and/or the UK will be knocking on the door asking to be readmitted, but it's far from guaranteed.
I also worry about generations being pitted against one another and sentiments like how much better things will be once all the old people have died.
Lots of anti-EU sentiment, and no wonder- but EU countries have not shot themselves in the foot the way the UK has.
I agree as with almost any speculation about 10 years from now nothing is guaranteed. . Yes I believe, and hope, the UK comes to its senses in 10 years.
I simply pointed out what polls have indicated, the age breakdown of Brexit voters, and certainly not all older voters voted for Brexit.
I agree as with almost any speculation about 10 years from now nothing is guaranteed. . Yes I believe, and hope, the UK comes to its senses in 10 years.
I simply pointed out what polls have indicated, the age breakdown of Brexit voters, and certainly not all older voters voted for Brexit.
Aug 4th 2024 | 11:14 am
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Re: Starmer hatches new free movement plot with Spain
the same happened in the USA with marijuana... The old people died off and now it is legal in the majority of states....
Probably not in you alls lifetime but the UK will be part of the EU again - or the 51st,52nd or 53rd state of the US of A...
Probably not in you alls lifetime but the UK will be part of the EU again - or the 51st,52nd or 53rd state of the US of A...
Aug 4th 2024 | 11:53 am
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Re: Starmer hatches new free movement plot with Spain
In return they got something that has been far worse for Britain... than COVID-19. And continues to wreck the economy day in, day out, like a fire that cannot be put out.
I'll be happy enough if the UK will be part of the EEA in a few years because this matters the most for us: people.
Aug 4th 2024 | 11:34 pm
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Re: Starmer hatches new free movement plot with Spain
I can't see any improvements, or even anything staying the same.
If it weren't this, which lets remember is the tragic stabbing of three girls, one of which was an immigrant, by a teenager which who was born and raised in Britain, then it would have been something else. Absolutely everything is twisted into an immigration issue by the far right. People read post after post of every crime where an immigrant or just someone who isn't white is involved, most of which has some element of disinformation (in this case the murderer was an immigrant who arrived on a small boat and was on an MI6 watchlist).
We can see it happen in the UK, we can also see it happen in Spain, disinformation is spread everywhere on social media and as a result increased tensions are also everywhere.
The Tories didn't take on social media, in fact they just went along with it. Twitter under Musk let far right extremists back in, this is the result, and now we're having people trying to set fire to hotels with other people inside them because of "little opportunity, declining social conditions, closing shops, and with the increased cost of living". Where's the link? The problem is the government didn't invest in areas declining areas, not immigration.
Conservatives left UK wide open to far-right violence, says former adviser:
Or didn't vote at all. Sunderland is just a short distance away from me, I have no doubt a majority of those rioting have not thought much about the pros and cons of Brexit but instead resentment at their own lives- and they see refugees they perceive as receiving more benefits or visit nearby Newcastle with thousands of foreign students seemingly much better off than them. Many of the local towns have little opportunity, declining social conditions, closing shops, and with the increased cost of living adding to the resentment- and often two or three generations reliant on benefits. Some just saw the riots as something to do- as I heard a few teenagers discussing on the bus.
No doubt some extremists instigating the riots and some percentage of the rioters are extremists on political issues.
No doubt some extremists instigating the riots and some percentage of the rioters are extremists on political issues.
We can see it happen in the UK, we can also see it happen in Spain, disinformation is spread everywhere on social media and as a result increased tensions are also everywhere.
The Tories didn't take on social media, in fact they just went along with it. Twitter under Musk let far right extremists back in, this is the result, and now we're having people trying to set fire to hotels with other people inside them because of "little opportunity, declining social conditions, closing shops, and with the increased cost of living". Where's the link? The problem is the government didn't invest in areas declining areas, not immigration.
Conservatives left UK wide open to far-right violence, says former adviser:
Repeated and urgent counsel that far-right extremists were exploiting gaps in the law to foment violence on social media had been ignored while top-rank politicians in a series of administrations sought to gain advantage by waging culture wars, Khan said, in a damning intervention.“The writing was clearly on the wall for some time,†Khan said. “All my reports have shown, in a nutshell that, firstly, these extremist and cohesion threats are worsening; secondly, that our country is woefully unprepared. We’ve got a gap in our legislation which is allowing these extremists to operate with impunity.
“Previous governments have astonishingly failed to address these trends, and they’ve taken instead, in my view, approaches that have actually been counterproductive and actually just defy any logical rationale.
“Previous governments have astonishingly failed to address these trends, and they’ve taken instead, in my view, approaches that have actually been counterproductive and actually just defy any logical rationale.
Aug 4th 2024 | 11:53 pm
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Re: Starmer hatches new free movement plot with Spain
Doesn't take much to get the (now very much in the minority) Brexiteers fired up 
In any case the UK needs to put it's own shameful house in order before negotiating deals.
https://www.ein.org.uk/news/european...aw-eu-citizens
In any case the UK needs to put it's own shameful house in order before negotiating deals.
https://www.ein.org.uk/news/european...aw-eu-citizens
Aug 5th 2024 | 5:20 am
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Re: Starmer hatches new free movement plot with Spain
I can't see any improvements, or even anything staying the same.
If it weren't this, which lets remember is the tragic stabbing of three girls, one of which was an immigrant, by a teenager which who was born and raised in Britain, then it would have been something else. Absolutely everything is twisted into an immigration issue by the far right. People read post after post of every crime where an immigrant or just someone who isn't white is involved, most of which has some element of disinformation (in this case the murderer was an immigrant who arrived on a small boat and was on an MI6 watchlist).
We can see it happen in the UK, we can also see it happen in Spain, disinformation is spread everywhere on social media and as a result increased tensions are also everywhere.
The Tories didn't take on social media, in fact they just went along with it. Twitter under Musk let far right extremists back in, this is the result, and now we're having people trying to set fire to hotels with other people inside them because of "little opportunity, declining social conditions, closing shops, and with the increased cost of living". Where's the link? The problem is the government didn't invest in areas declining areas, not immigration.
Conservatives left UK wide open to far-right violence, says former adviser:
If it weren't this, which lets remember is the tragic stabbing of three girls, one of which was an immigrant, by a teenager which who was born and raised in Britain, then it would have been something else. Absolutely everything is twisted into an immigration issue by the far right. People read post after post of every crime where an immigrant or just someone who isn't white is involved, most of which has some element of disinformation (in this case the murderer was an immigrant who arrived on a small boat and was on an MI6 watchlist).
We can see it happen in the UK, we can also see it happen in Spain, disinformation is spread everywhere on social media and as a result increased tensions are also everywhere.
The Tories didn't take on social media, in fact they just went along with it. Twitter under Musk let far right extremists back in, this is the result, and now we're having people trying to set fire to hotels with other people inside them because of "little opportunity, declining social conditions, closing shops, and with the increased cost of living". Where's the link? The problem is the government didn't invest in areas declining areas, not immigration.
Conservatives left UK wide open to far-right violence, says former adviser:
Aug 5th 2024 | 12:16 pm
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Aug 28th 2024 | 12:25 pm
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Re: Starmer hatches new free movement plot with Spain
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You were quite keen to refer to the IFS when claiming it was nonsense that Rachel Reeves was misled.
So here's an interesting IFS report.
An IFS report vindicates Labour concerns that it inherited a worse financial situation than previously thought
You were quite keen to refer to the IFS when claiming it was nonsense that Rachel Reeves was misled.
So here's an interesting IFS report.
An IFS report vindicates Labour concerns that it inherited a worse financial situation than previously thought
The Home Office has been accused of submitting “woeful†budget figures under successive Conservative ministers – which officials knew understated the ballooning cost of asylum and illegal immigration spending.
In a report partially vindicating Rachel Reeves’s claim that the new Labour government inherited a far worse financial situation than initially thought, the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) thinktank suggested the Home Office had repeatedly lowballed its budget estimates.
It found ministers knew budgets it had submitted were insufficient
In a report partially vindicating Rachel Reeves’s claim that the new Labour government inherited a far worse financial situation than initially thought, the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) thinktank suggested the Home Office had repeatedly lowballed its budget estimates.
It found ministers knew budgets it had submitted were insufficient
