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Old Aug 31st 2024 | 5:58 am
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Originally Posted by Lou71
My neighbour here in Portugal is one of them, he doesn't live in the UK, he lives in Portugal.
Then he must have lived in UK at one point to claim his status.
 
Old Aug 31st 2024 | 6:02 am
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Originally Posted by Lou71
Yes, I'm privileged to have an Irish passport but at least I didn't vote to take freedom of movement away from others while keeping it for myself.
I voted to leave the EU, losing FOM for UK citizens isnt a concern for me, and most of the UK electorate. It it was, Starmer would be looking to bring it back, he isn't. If the man who fought for a second referendum, and was trying to do anything and everything to stay in the EU when he was shadow Brexit secretary isnt trying to bring it back, that alone should tell you all you need to know.
 
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Originally Posted by Finknottle
Ha, ha - the only idealogues in this debate are the brexiteers, who, despite frequent opportunities, have totally failed to quantify the benefits of brexit.
The full benefits of Brexit will never been seen in full until there is a government who believes in it and wants to implement it fully. That is down to the Tories. Personally speaking, I have done very well out of it financially. That's not a gloat, just facts
 
Old Aug 31st 2024 | 6:07 am
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Originally Posted by dave7777
Then he must have lived in UK at one point to claim his status.
Living in the UK at one point (enough to apply for either settled or pre-settled status) is not the same as adding permanently to the resident poulation, as per your earlier post.

Of course lots of people came and went - that's the advantage of free movement. In fact it's less likely that people will stay put if they're free to move about at will than if they have to go through a lengthy process of applying for permission in advance and paying all the attendant fees currently demanded of people moving to the UK. I'm a regular listener to a radio slot about Portuguese nationals who've moved abroad, any number of whom have spent time in the UK but many of whom have moved on subsequently.
 
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Originally Posted by Red Eric
Living in the UK at one point (enough to apply for either settled or pre-settled status) is not the same as adding permanently to the resident poulation, as per your earlier post.

Of course lots of people came and went - that's the advantage of free movement. In fact it's less likely that people will stay put if they're free to move about at will than if they have to go through a lengthy process of applying for permission in advance and paying all the attendant fees currently demanded of people moving to the UK. I'm a regular listener to a radio slot about Portuguese nationals who've moved abroad, any number of whom have spent time in the UK but many of whom have moved on subsequently.
In 2021 there were 4m EU citizens resident n the UK. Still a very large number to accommodate if the govt didn't increase/upgrade services, housing etc The real figure i am sure was larger. The 6m I quoted were applicants,
 
Old Aug 31st 2024 | 6:17 am
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Originally Posted by dave7777
The full benefits of Brexit will never been seen in full until there is a government who believes in it and wants to implement it fully. That is down to the Tories. [...]
Ah - the old "not been done properly" line, eh?

An admission, if ever there was one, that there have been none of the promised benefits.

It hasn't even been implemented according to the agreements that were signed for the simple reason that to do so would cause more damage than has already been done. As for the rest of what doing it properly might be code for, the fact is that the UK is no longer a member of the EU and that completely fulfils the enactment of the result of the referendum. It could have been done with far less damage and still satisfied the leaving the EU requirement (as touted by even some of the most hardline Brexiters shortly after the referendum) but the headbangers saw to it that it wasn't.

Mr Minister for Brexit Opportunities might have liked to hear from you back in the day. He and the massed ranks of the Sun readership failed to identify any potential benefits worthy of the name.
 
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In 2021 there were 4m EU citizens resident n the UK. Still a very large number to accommodate if the govt didn't increase/upgrade services, housing etc The real figure i am sure was larger. The 6m I quoted were applicants,
Where does that 4m figure come from?
 
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The full benefits of Brexit will never been seen in full until there is a government who believes in it and wants to implement it fully. That is down to the Tories. Personally speaking, I have done very well out of it financially. That's not a gloat, just facts
Who delivered Brexit? Labour, the Lib Dems, the Raving loony Brexit party? - no, the Tories.

And what eiements of implementation are missing?

Originally Posted by dave7777
In 2021 there were 4m EU citizens resident n the UK. Still a very large number to accommodate if the govt didn't increase/upgrade services, housing etc The real figure i am sure was larger. The 6m I quoted were applicants,
Conveniently forgetting the (quantified - look it up) contribution that those EU citizens have made to the UK.
 
Old Aug 31st 2024 | 6:22 am
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Ah - the old "not been done properly" line, eh?

An admission, if ever there was one, that there have been none of the promised benefits.

It hasn't even been implemented according to the agreements that were signed for the simple reason that to do so would cause more damage than has already been done. As for the rest of what doing it properly might be code for, the fact is that the UK is no longer a member of the EU and that completely fulfils the enactment of the result of the referendum. It could have been done with far less damage and still satisfied the leaving the EU requirement (as touted by even some of the most hardline Brexiters shortly after the referendum) but the headbangers saw to it that it wasn't.

Mr Minister for Brexit Opportunities might have liked to hear from you back in the day. He and the massed ranks of the Sun readership failed to identify any potential benefits worthy of the name.
Headbangers? Intelligent stuff, well done.
It wasn't implemented as was voted for because May/Johnson et al didn't have the guts to do it.
Far less damaging I guess would have been staying in the single market etc ? Then that would have been a pointless exercise, because, whether you like it or not, ending FOM was a big driver in the referendum result.
 
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Originally Posted by Red Eric
Where does that 4m figure come from?
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...0Italy%20(7%25).
 
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Headbangers? Intelligent stuff, well done.
It wasn't implemented as was voted for because May/Johnson et al didn't have the guts to do it.
Far less damaging I guess would have been staying in the single market etc ? Then that would have been a pointless exercise, because, whether you like it or not, ending FOM was a big driver in the referendum result.
So what, precisely, was voted for?
 
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Originally Posted by Finknottle
Who delivered Brexit? Labour, the Lib Dems, the Raving loony Brexit party? - no, the Tories.

And what eiements of implementation are missing?



Conveniently forgetting the (quantified - look it up) contribution that those EU citizens have made to the UK.
You seem to have missed the point I was making ref , services, housing etc
Or decided just to ignore it?
 
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Originally Posted by Finknottle
So what, precisely, was voted for?
Leaving the EU . My ballot paper didn't say leave the EU. but keep certain parts of it, did yours?
 
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Leaving the EU . My ballot paper didn't say leave the EU. but keep certain parts of it, did yours?
Which parts, precisely?
 
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Originally Posted by dave7777
You seem to have missed the point I was making ref , services, housing etc
Or decided just to ignore it?
No, I haven't - I refer you back to the contribution.
 


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