Starmer hatches new free movement plot with Spain
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The problem with the OBR was that there was no requirement on a government to either consult it (AKA doing a Truss) and being honest and candid with it (AKA doing a Sunak)
The OBR could only comment on what they were told.Now they have power to look into things more
So,two example-the Tories promised 40 new hospitals and that they had budgeted for that- no they had not-the money did not exist even though the Tories said it was there
Restoring your Railway -a scheme to bring back railway lines closed under Beeching-supposedly £500 million-not there
And the black hole of £22billion -equivalent to knocking 4p off NI-and who did that?
So please do not use the Daily Mail to support your arguments-a paper owned by a non dom multi millionaire via a trust and who basically does not want to pay his fair share of tax to the UK .
The OBR could only comment on what they were told.Now they have power to look into things more
So,two example-the Tories promised 40 new hospitals and that they had budgeted for that- no they had not-the money did not exist even though the Tories said it was there
Restoring your Railway -a scheme to bring back railway lines closed under Beeching-supposedly £500 million-not there
And the black hole of £22billion -equivalent to knocking 4p off NI-and who did that?
So please do not use the Daily Mail to support your arguments-a paper owned by a non dom multi millionaire via a trust and who basically does not want to pay his fair share of tax to the UK .
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https://www.theguardian.com/business...ublic-services
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I posted an article from the Guardian. It quotes Labour sources saying Reeves was intending tax increases which she was hiding from the electorate. Funny that none of the usual suspects have addressed this dishonesty; I mean, the article's in the Guardian so it must be true, right?
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ublic-services
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ublic-services

Ah - I see it was an exclusive, so only a tiny minority of people (people who read the not paywalled Guardian website) would have had access to it. Obviously none of the other newspapers would have reported on the Guardian's report. Or had their own versions of what was to come .

Actually, I agree to some extent about the mixed messaging, although I can pull up far more articles saying Reeves refused to rule out tax rises except for those that had already been specifically mentioned as not to be touched, than those which state otherwise.
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Right wing newspapers bad, left wing newspapers good.
I can see that certain individual countries within the EU may want bilateral freedom of movement deals (for all or a certain demographic, e.g. young, retirees, etc.). But would the EU itself want individual member states making their own deals? As far as I know, the only current deals are between the UK and Ireland (dating from 1922) and involving micro states (Andorra, Monaco and San Marino).
I can see that certain individual countries within the EU may want bilateral freedom of movement deals (for all or a certain demographic, e.g. young, retirees, etc.). But would the EU itself want individual member states making their own deals? As far as I know, the only current deals are between the UK and Ireland (dating from 1922) and involving micro states (Andorra, Monaco and San Marino).
There is the Nordic Passport Union, Benelux, the Visegrad Group, EuroMed, and I know Poland has an agreement with Germany about guest workers. And there are probably a whole bunch more I don't know about.
So no, EU countries are not one huge indivisible block, there are plenty of agreements between neighbouring countries.
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She did say this repeatedly, and so did Starmer. But as the article shows, they were lying because they did have plans to increase taxes.
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Have I got that right?
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But I know there are those who think Labour lies good, Conservative lies bad.
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Yes, if they aspire to be anything different or better, or to be straight with the public as they repeatedly claim is their intent. But it turns out this is also a lie. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
But I know there are those who think Labour lies good, Conservative lies bad.
But I know there are those who think Labour lies good, Conservative lies bad.
Rachel Reeves is under pressure from Labour shadow ministers to raise capital gains tax
the shadow chancellor is considering up to a dozen new revenue-raising measures
Reading on...
the shadow chancellor has already ruled out raising income tax, national insurance and VAT
I see from Bloomberg 31/7/2004 that
Chancellor of the Exchequer Rachel Reeves gave the clearest sign yet that she’s poised to raise taxes in her first UK budget in October
She repeated her commitment not to raise income tax, national insurance or value-added tax, but refused to rule-out increasing capital gains tax, inheritance tax and pension reform.
Ms Reeves reiterated that she would not raise VAT, national insurance or income tax, as promised in Labour's manifesto, but she did not rule out increasing inheritance tax, capital gains tax, or reforming tax relief on pensions.
The Treasury said there will be "further difficult decisions on tax and spending" at the Budget in the autumn.
“The chancellor has not committed to any tax rises not already in the manifesto and has committed to not increasing National Insurance, VAT or income tax,†a Treasury spokesperson told the BBC.
The Treasury said there will be "further difficult decisions on tax and spending" at the Budget in the autumn.
“The chancellor has not committed to any tax rises not already in the manifesto and has committed to not increasing National Insurance, VAT or income tax,†a Treasury spokesperson told the BBC.
Where's the lie?
You seem to be of the opinion they said taxes would not rise whereas they seem to have been pretty damned specific that some would, but not income tax, NI and VAT.
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There is the Nordic Passport Union, Benelux, the Visegrad Group, EuroMed, and I know Poland has an agreement with Germany about guest workers. And there are probably a whole bunch more I don't know about.
So no, EU countries are not one huge indivisible block, there are plenty of agreements between neighbouring countries.
So no, EU countries are not one huge indivisible block, there are plenty of agreements between neighbouring countries.
That referendum has been a massive hit to the economy and continues to do damage every single day. Unless reversed, it will continue to wreck the economy, limit its growth, competitiveness, etc. I'm still waiting for the likes of Rishi and Kwasi to fall to their knees and apologise to the nation for misleading people and causing economic damage that according to the BOE has been far worse... than the carnage caused by COVID.
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I think the truncated quotes, shorn of any context, are misleading. It's usually fairly easy to read between the lines, taking into account what isn't being said, without it having to be spelt out.
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