Well, the job of upgrading and integrating diverse IT systems is proving difficult and complicated, hence the long delay in implementation.

A timely reminder, EU nationals and residents will NOT be subjected to ETIAS or EES, it is only for third country nationals who are not resident in an EU state.

Bit of slippage is always good for the consultancy firms.

Not in our lifetimes seems very unrealistic, though. Maybe double the latest ETA and make it a couple of years, to be on the safe side.

what do you mean ‘will not be subjected to’ …… you mean you don’t need to apply for the visa waiver? You’ll still be queuing at the same e-gates as everyone else. 😁

No, we won't.

We'll be seeking out a border officer, showing them our passport and resident card and avoiding going through the e-gates.

Why?

You write as though you speak for everyone 😁

Trust me ….. at many countries efficiently operating e-gates the queue for a manual check is often far longer as they are busy checking those who can’t use e-gates. …. Of course we have no idea what the set up will be in Spain ….. all remains to be seen

Because using the e-gates will lead to us being treated as subject to the 90/180 rules and cause us problems. A journalist who could see that helpfully approached the EU Commission for comment on the subject.

What will change for EU travel in 2023

Just those who wish to keep themselves informed.

I'm definitely not affected by EES/ETIAS because I'm blessed with an Irish passport.

I think the British/third country nationals should be given separate e gates because they are likely to cause problems and delays.

The system isnt setup yet so difficult to know how it will pan out, I suspect like many other countries who operate efficient ID card systems alongside passports, you will still pass through an e-gate as your status will either be linked to an ID card or passport or both, for those that dont have an ID card or visa you join a sometimes long queue to go through the manual system. Expats living in a foreign country with a variety of visa types and residency status is nothing new and is managed very well by effcient e-gates. Your fear of the 90/180 rule isnt worth worrying about IMHO. The journalist version you cite, I suspect will be different from reality. Your vision of waving your passport / ID card and strolling through will be unlikely to play out. One aspect of the system as has been mentioned before is a control on criminality and terrorism, that wont happen by allowing people to waft through.


I do sometimes find it hilarious how some posting on this forum consider themselves a superior class above everyone else simply because they hold Spanish residency before Brexit or a Brit who happens to have an EU passport......... The reality is different .......... god forbid that you have to queue with the great unwashed for an e-gate

You (British) are responsible for changing your status to that of third country nationals, not the EU or indeed most of the people on this forum. If you had remained a member of the EU, this thread would be irrelevant because you would not be subjected to EES/ETIAS.

Stamping and checking passports takes time and putting it bluntly, the British are becoming a menace at Malaga airport (and no doubt other airports) by causing massive queues which block gangways and prevent EU nationals from passing through immigration quickly.

You (British) created this situation by making a conscious decision to become second class citizens in Europe, own it.

Strange comments ! What a rant and snobby attitude from someone from Ireland, unusual because I usually find Irish people very down to earth, whatever their background ...... The context of the recent part of this thread (to which I contributed) related to the future and e-gates, not about Malaga airport now. Airports and queues are a regular part of my life globally and although I might have the occasional moan it doesnt really bother me.

I dont need to 'own' anything and I certainly dont consider myself a second class citizen in the EU (or anywhere else for that matter).

One might actually observe and conclude that the free and quick passage of EU nationals through Malaga rests with Spanish Border control as they have had plenty of notice about Brexit to implement special facilities for you (the EU national) or perhaps its the case that they dont consider you (the EU National) important enough to speed up the process.

Perhaps an 'Irish' expats forum might be better suited for you rather than a 'British' forum, just a thought

Out of interest have you had an Irish passport from birth or through the back door ?

A system as major as this isn't designed and implemented without detailed planning. Part of that will include decisions like to whom it will apply and money will be spent on consultancy, studies and reports as part of the decision-making process. Things will be known prior to the system being commissioned. It isn't just drawn on the back of a fag packet in the days prior to implementation, with a few bods sitting round a table asking how one thing or another might pan out.

I don't have a fear of the 90/180 rule. It doesn't apply to me in my country of residence or in my crossing of external Schengen borders to get there. I just need to ensure that I use the correct procedure in order to avoid creating problems for myself.

The reason I cited that particular article was because the journalist had taken the trouble to contact the European Commission, who are the authority on the subject and who will have commisssioned and acted upon the consultancy, studies and reports I referred to above. They will be best placed to know the current thinking about how to handle TCNs resident in the Schengen area, so I'll continue to take their word over yours when it comes to understanding what might be (or is, when it's implemented) expected of us.

You made that up. I said no such thing.

What I said was that we would have to seek out a border officer and present our documents. There was no mention or implication of waving, strolling or wafting. In a previous post on another thread on the same topic, I made it perfectly clear that I think that will mean us joining the slowest-moving queue, so I agree with you ( ) that this process will involve us residents in a whole load more more arse-achery than will be encountered by the average tourist.

A rant? I have written fewer words than yourself. Irishman? Who said anything about my being a man, I have not revealed my gender. An Irish passport by the back door? There is no such thing. Jealous, much.

As a UK/Australian citizen likely to be entering Spain a fair bit in the next few years, I've been following the thread.
Might be of interest to people to hear the Australian experience with e-gates. They've been used here for a few years, for citizens of various countries, s well as Aus passport holders. Tourists here either need a visa, or an e-visitor, which is much the same as the proposed electronic entry authorisation for the Schengen area. Its all recorded electronically in the system and linked to the passport number. The traveller presents the passport, is matched to the passport photo, and the gate opens. Takes a few seconds - even for idiots like me who have to keep putting glasses on to read the instructions before removing them again for the photo-comparison!
Its quick, easy, and cuts hours off the queueing time to get through passport control.