Gibraltar
Mar 4th 2014 | 9:10 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
Diplomacy ??
I have just been watching the meeting between the Foreign Affairs Committee and Gibraltars Chief Minister that has been taking place here in Gibraltar.
One point that came up was that of Spanish pensions.
The UK pays pensions to Spaniards who worked in Gibraltar prior to the closing of the frontier in 1969.
This is all covered in the Cordoba agreement.
So far UK taxpayers have paid about £70 million and the final bill is expected to reach £150 million
However the PP have reneged that agreement and all their responsibilities under it.
The UK however still upholds that agreement and continues to pay the pensions.
Your money??
I have just been watching the meeting between the Foreign Affairs Committee and Gibraltars Chief Minister that has been taking place here in Gibraltar.
One point that came up was that of Spanish pensions.
The UK pays pensions to Spaniards who worked in Gibraltar prior to the closing of the frontier in 1969.
This is all covered in the Cordoba agreement.
So far UK taxpayers have paid about £70 million and the final bill is expected to reach £150 million
However the PP have reneged that agreement and all their responsibilities under it.
The UK however still upholds that agreement and continues to pay the pensions.
Your money??
Mar 4th 2014 | 10:05 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
Imo an economic migrant moves to a country to improve their 'finances' so to speak.
Surely a person who by becoming resident in a foreign country would pay more tax in said country, but chooses to not overstay the limit, and pays tax in their resident country in line with the fiscal regulations, cannot be classed as an economic migrant?
But then again so people have a weird way of looking at things.
And make it seem a 'crime' to travel.
And why would a non resident want to pay tax in a country the are not obliged to, or resident in?
Only a complete idiot would do that.
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Mar 4th 2014 | 10:21 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
Is the definition of an economic migrant applicable to someone who has a choice of where they spend their time.
Imo an economic migrant moves to a country to improve their 'finances' so to speak.
Surely a person who by becoming resident in a foreign country would pay more tax in said country, but chooses to not overstay the limit, and pays tax in their resident country in line with the fiscal regulations, cannot be classed as an economic migrant?
But then again so people have a weird way of looking at things.
And make it seem a 'crime' to travel.
And why would a non resident want to pay tax in a country the are not obliged to, or resident in?
Only a complete idiot would do that.
Imo an economic migrant moves to a country to improve their 'finances' so to speak.
Surely a person who by becoming resident in a foreign country would pay more tax in said country, but chooses to not overstay the limit, and pays tax in their resident country in line with the fiscal regulations, cannot be classed as an economic migrant?
But then again so people have a weird way of looking at things.
And make it seem a 'crime' to travel.
And why would a non resident want to pay tax in a country the are not obliged to, or resident in?
Only a complete idiot would do that.
Mar 4th 2014 | 11:50 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
Picardo tells FAC the UK hasn't done enough to deter Spain
The Chief Minister has told the Foreign Affairs Committee that, judging by the facts, the UK has not done enough to deter Spain from bullying and harassing Gibraltar. He said the long border queues are still there today, and Spanish vessels continue to take executive actions in Gibraltar waters, and expressed the view that the UK should therefore distance itself from the comments made by Spanish Politicians saying Anglo Spanish relations are ‘excellent’.
The Committee heard from Mr Picardo today at the Garrison Library, the first time such an evidence gathering session has taken place on the Rock. He also told them that the UK choosing to leave the EU would be ‘a disaster’ for Gibraltar.
The Foreign Affairs Committee is a committee formed by the House of Commons to examine and advise on UK Government policy. The Chief Minister warmly welcomed them on behalf of everyone on the Rock, and praised the work of the Committee particularly for three important reports in 1999, 2002 and 2008. For its part, Committee Chairman Sir Richard Ottawa said they were friends and supporters of Gibraltar.
Then it was down to business. Over an hour and a half, Mr Picardo’s hugely impressed the Committee, as the Chairman would then go on to confirm to GBC. He told them the relationship between Gibraltar and Britain has always been strong, even though their Governments make be warmer or colder towards each other through the years. He said the relationship was the best it’s been for years, and vexed only by the Online Gaming Point of Consumption Tax proposals.
The Chief Minister said the UK leaving the European Union would be a disaster for Gibraltar, and didn’t even want to countenance that scenario. He was encouraged by the fact that the leaders of all three major parties in the UK Parliament were likely to campaign for remaining with the Union, and argued that Gibraltar would in future want more Europe than the UK, not less.
The core of the questioning focused on relations with Spain, and an analysis of the UK’s defence of Gibraltar. Mr Picardo said Spanish politicians had been quoted repeatedly saying that Anglo Spanish relations were excellent, despite Gibraltar. He said this couldn’t possibly be the case when Spain was punishing 30,000 British citizens daily, and the UK should distance itself from those claims.
Mr Picardo said a resolution to the fishing dispute wouldn’t stop the regular incursions by Spanish state vessels, which began when Spain declared Gibraltar waters as a Spanish Site of Community Interest under European law. He said incursions had gotten worse since the PP came to power, and Gibraltar had become the focus of Spanish propaganda to divert media attention from the corruption scandals facing senior politicians.
A few eyebrows were raised around the room when Committee member Sir John Stanley said the Foreign Office often takes several days to register a complaint to Madrid, and sometimes even waits until several can be bundled together to send in one diplomatic bag. He asked Mr Picardo whether he thought Madrid got the impression the FCO was just going through the motions. Mr Picardo said he was conscious that the Foreign Office had developed a strategy to ensure every complaint was registered, and that was only right.
However, during a separate line of questioning, he said Queues were as bad as ever, and men women and children were being made to queue up for hours in rain and sun, only to then be intimidated by Spanish Crack Anti-Terrorist forces. He said things were obviously not getting any better, and therefore, the results showed the UK obviously haven’t done enough to deter Spain. He said it was time for British Diplomacy to say ‘enough’!
The Chief Minister said Gibraltar would welcome an increased Royal Navy presence in British Waters, and agreed that it was time for the UK to modernise its relationship with all Overseas Territories so they would all enjoy representation in the Houses of Parliament.
In answers to questions from Andrew Rosindell, Mr Picardo said he had no doubt that the Queen would receive a huge welcome if she were to visit the Rock, a comment which received a warm applause from the public gallery at the Garrison Library.
Finally, Mr Picardo invited the Committee to publish a report on the findings made during their visit. The Chairman, Sir Richard Ottoway, quoted the Foreign Secretary’s assurance that the UK would do everything to safeguard, Gibraltar, and said the Committee would ensure that happens.
http://www.gbc.gi/news/3332/picardo-...to-deter-spain
The Chief Minister has told the Foreign Affairs Committee that, judging by the facts, the UK has not done enough to deter Spain from bullying and harassing Gibraltar. He said the long border queues are still there today, and Spanish vessels continue to take executive actions in Gibraltar waters, and expressed the view that the UK should therefore distance itself from the comments made by Spanish Politicians saying Anglo Spanish relations are ‘excellent’.
The Committee heard from Mr Picardo today at the Garrison Library, the first time such an evidence gathering session has taken place on the Rock. He also told them that the UK choosing to leave the EU would be ‘a disaster’ for Gibraltar.
The Foreign Affairs Committee is a committee formed by the House of Commons to examine and advise on UK Government policy. The Chief Minister warmly welcomed them on behalf of everyone on the Rock, and praised the work of the Committee particularly for three important reports in 1999, 2002 and 2008. For its part, Committee Chairman Sir Richard Ottawa said they were friends and supporters of Gibraltar.
Then it was down to business. Over an hour and a half, Mr Picardo’s hugely impressed the Committee, as the Chairman would then go on to confirm to GBC. He told them the relationship between Gibraltar and Britain has always been strong, even though their Governments make be warmer or colder towards each other through the years. He said the relationship was the best it’s been for years, and vexed only by the Online Gaming Point of Consumption Tax proposals.
The Chief Minister said the UK leaving the European Union would be a disaster for Gibraltar, and didn’t even want to countenance that scenario. He was encouraged by the fact that the leaders of all three major parties in the UK Parliament were likely to campaign for remaining with the Union, and argued that Gibraltar would in future want more Europe than the UK, not less.
The core of the questioning focused on relations with Spain, and an analysis of the UK’s defence of Gibraltar. Mr Picardo said Spanish politicians had been quoted repeatedly saying that Anglo Spanish relations were excellent, despite Gibraltar. He said this couldn’t possibly be the case when Spain was punishing 30,000 British citizens daily, and the UK should distance itself from those claims.
Mr Picardo said a resolution to the fishing dispute wouldn’t stop the regular incursions by Spanish state vessels, which began when Spain declared Gibraltar waters as a Spanish Site of Community Interest under European law. He said incursions had gotten worse since the PP came to power, and Gibraltar had become the focus of Spanish propaganda to divert media attention from the corruption scandals facing senior politicians.
A few eyebrows were raised around the room when Committee member Sir John Stanley said the Foreign Office often takes several days to register a complaint to Madrid, and sometimes even waits until several can be bundled together to send in one diplomatic bag. He asked Mr Picardo whether he thought Madrid got the impression the FCO was just going through the motions. Mr Picardo said he was conscious that the Foreign Office had developed a strategy to ensure every complaint was registered, and that was only right.
However, during a separate line of questioning, he said Queues were as bad as ever, and men women and children were being made to queue up for hours in rain and sun, only to then be intimidated by Spanish Crack Anti-Terrorist forces. He said things were obviously not getting any better, and therefore, the results showed the UK obviously haven’t done enough to deter Spain. He said it was time for British Diplomacy to say ‘enough’!
The Chief Minister said Gibraltar would welcome an increased Royal Navy presence in British Waters, and agreed that it was time for the UK to modernise its relationship with all Overseas Territories so they would all enjoy representation in the Houses of Parliament.
In answers to questions from Andrew Rosindell, Mr Picardo said he had no doubt that the Queen would receive a huge welcome if she were to visit the Rock, a comment which received a warm applause from the public gallery at the Garrison Library.
Finally, Mr Picardo invited the Committee to publish a report on the findings made during their visit. The Chairman, Sir Richard Ottoway, quoted the Foreign Secretary’s assurance that the UK would do everything to safeguard, Gibraltar, and said the Committee would ensure that happens.
http://www.gbc.gi/news/3332/picardo-...to-deter-spain
Mar 5th 2014 | 1:59 am
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Re: Gibraltar
Picardo tells FAC the UK hasn't done enough to deter Spain
The Chief Minister has told the Foreign Affairs Committee that, judging by the facts, the UK has not done enough to deter Spain from bullying and harassing Gibraltar. He said the long border queues are still there today, and Spanish vessels continue to take executive actions in Gibraltar waters, and expressed the view that the UK should therefore distance itself from the comments made by Spanish Politicians saying Anglo Spanish relations are ‘excellent’.
The Committee heard from Mr Picardo today at the Garrison Library, the first time such an evidence gathering session has taken place on the Rock. He also told them that the UK choosing to leave the EU would be ‘a disaster’ for Gibraltar.
The Foreign Affairs Committee is a committee formed by the House of Commons to examine and advise on UK Government policy. The Chief Minister warmly welcomed them on behalf of everyone on the Rock, and praised the work of the Committee particularly for three important reports in 1999, 2002 and 2008. For its part, Committee Chairman Sir Richard Ottawa said they were friends and supporters of Gibraltar.
Then it was down to business. Over an hour and a half, Mr Picardo’s hugely impressed the Committee, as the Chairman would then go on to confirm to GBC. He told them the relationship between Gibraltar and Britain has always been strong, even though their Governments make be warmer or colder towards each other through the years. He said the relationship was the best it’s been for years, and vexed only by the Online Gaming Point of Consumption Tax proposals.
The Chief Minister said the UK leaving the European Union would be a disaster for Gibraltar, and didn’t even want to countenance that scenario. He was encouraged by the fact that the leaders of all three major parties in the UK Parliament were likely to campaign for remaining with the Union, and argued that Gibraltar would in future want more Europe than the UK, not less.
The core of the questioning focused on relations with Spain, and an analysis of the UK’s defence of Gibraltar. Mr Picardo said Spanish politicians had been quoted repeatedly saying that Anglo Spanish relations were excellent, despite Gibraltar. He said this couldn’t possibly be the case when Spain was punishing 30,000 British citizens daily, and the UK should distance itself from those claims.
Mr Picardo said a resolution to the fishing dispute wouldn’t stop the regular incursions by Spanish state vessels, which began when Spain declared Gibraltar waters as a Spanish Site of Community Interest under European law. He said incursions had gotten worse since the PP came to power, and Gibraltar had become the focus of Spanish propaganda to divert media attention from the corruption scandals facing senior politicians.
A few eyebrows were raised around the room when Committee member Sir John Stanley said the Foreign Office often takes several days to register a complaint to Madrid, and sometimes even waits until several can be bundled together to send in one diplomatic bag. He asked Mr Picardo whether he thought Madrid got the impression the FCO was just going through the motions. Mr Picardo said he was conscious that the Foreign Office had developed a strategy to ensure every complaint was registered, and that was only right.
However, during a separate line of questioning, he said Queues were as bad as ever, and men women and children were being made to queue up for hours in rain and sun, only to then be intimidated by Spanish Crack Anti-Terrorist forces. He said things were obviously not getting any better, and therefore, the results showed the UK obviously haven’t done enough to deter Spain. He said it was time for British Diplomacy to say ‘enough’!
The Chief Minister said Gibraltar would welcome an increased Royal Navy presence in British Waters, and agreed that it was time for the UK to modernise its relationship with all Overseas Territories so they would all enjoy representation in the Houses of Parliament.
In answers to questions from Andrew Rosindell, Mr Picardo said he had no doubt that the Queen would receive a huge welcome if she were to visit the Rock, a comment which received a warm applause from the public gallery at the Garrison Library.
Finally, Mr Picardo invited the Committee to publish a report on the findings made during their visit. The Chairman, Sir Richard Ottoway, quoted the Foreign Secretary’s assurance that the UK would do everything to safeguard, Gibraltar, and said the Committee would ensure that happens.
http://www.gbc.gi/news/3332/picardo-...to-deter-spain
The Chief Minister has told the Foreign Affairs Committee that, judging by the facts, the UK has not done enough to deter Spain from bullying and harassing Gibraltar. He said the long border queues are still there today, and Spanish vessels continue to take executive actions in Gibraltar waters, and expressed the view that the UK should therefore distance itself from the comments made by Spanish Politicians saying Anglo Spanish relations are ‘excellent’.
The Committee heard from Mr Picardo today at the Garrison Library, the first time such an evidence gathering session has taken place on the Rock. He also told them that the UK choosing to leave the EU would be ‘a disaster’ for Gibraltar.
The Foreign Affairs Committee is a committee formed by the House of Commons to examine and advise on UK Government policy. The Chief Minister warmly welcomed them on behalf of everyone on the Rock, and praised the work of the Committee particularly for three important reports in 1999, 2002 and 2008. For its part, Committee Chairman Sir Richard Ottawa said they were friends and supporters of Gibraltar.
Then it was down to business. Over an hour and a half, Mr Picardo’s hugely impressed the Committee, as the Chairman would then go on to confirm to GBC. He told them the relationship between Gibraltar and Britain has always been strong, even though their Governments make be warmer or colder towards each other through the years. He said the relationship was the best it’s been for years, and vexed only by the Online Gaming Point of Consumption Tax proposals.
The Chief Minister said the UK leaving the European Union would be a disaster for Gibraltar, and didn’t even want to countenance that scenario. He was encouraged by the fact that the leaders of all three major parties in the UK Parliament were likely to campaign for remaining with the Union, and argued that Gibraltar would in future want more Europe than the UK, not less.
The core of the questioning focused on relations with Spain, and an analysis of the UK’s defence of Gibraltar. Mr Picardo said Spanish politicians had been quoted repeatedly saying that Anglo Spanish relations were excellent, despite Gibraltar. He said this couldn’t possibly be the case when Spain was punishing 30,000 British citizens daily, and the UK should distance itself from those claims.
Mr Picardo said a resolution to the fishing dispute wouldn’t stop the regular incursions by Spanish state vessels, which began when Spain declared Gibraltar waters as a Spanish Site of Community Interest under European law. He said incursions had gotten worse since the PP came to power, and Gibraltar had become the focus of Spanish propaganda to divert media attention from the corruption scandals facing senior politicians.
A few eyebrows were raised around the room when Committee member Sir John Stanley said the Foreign Office often takes several days to register a complaint to Madrid, and sometimes even waits until several can be bundled together to send in one diplomatic bag. He asked Mr Picardo whether he thought Madrid got the impression the FCO was just going through the motions. Mr Picardo said he was conscious that the Foreign Office had developed a strategy to ensure every complaint was registered, and that was only right.
However, during a separate line of questioning, he said Queues were as bad as ever, and men women and children were being made to queue up for hours in rain and sun, only to then be intimidated by Spanish Crack Anti-Terrorist forces. He said things were obviously not getting any better, and therefore, the results showed the UK obviously haven’t done enough to deter Spain. He said it was time for British Diplomacy to say ‘enough’!
The Chief Minister said Gibraltar would welcome an increased Royal Navy presence in British Waters, and agreed that it was time for the UK to modernise its relationship with all Overseas Territories so they would all enjoy representation in the Houses of Parliament.
In answers to questions from Andrew Rosindell, Mr Picardo said he had no doubt that the Queen would receive a huge welcome if she were to visit the Rock, a comment which received a warm applause from the public gallery at the Garrison Library.
Finally, Mr Picardo invited the Committee to publish a report on the findings made during their visit. The Chairman, Sir Richard Ottoway, quoted the Foreign Secretary’s assurance that the UK would do everything to safeguard, Gibraltar, and said the Committee would ensure that happens.
http://www.gbc.gi/news/3332/picardo-...to-deter-spain
Mar 5th 2014 | 2:18 am
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Mar 5th 2014 | 4:06 am
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Re: Gibraltar
You mean Sir Useless Non entity a Euro MEP,
Even Farage does not think they have any power or influence and would like to get rid of them.
Even Farage does not think they have any power or influence and would like to get rid of them.
Mar 5th 2014 | 9:40 am
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Re: Gibraltar
Diplomacy ??
I have just been watching the meeting between the Foreign Affairs Committee and Gibraltars Chief Minister that has been taking place here in Gibraltar.
One point that came up was that of Spanish pensions.
The UK pays pensions to Spaniards who worked in Gibraltar prior to the closing of the frontier in 1969.
This is all covered in the Cordoba agreement.
So far UK taxpayers have paid about £70 million and the final bill is expected to reach £150 million
However the PP have reneged that agreement and all their responsibilities under it.
The UK however still upholds that agreement and continues to pay the pensions.
Your money??
I have just been watching the meeting between the Foreign Affairs Committee and Gibraltars Chief Minister that has been taking place here in Gibraltar.
One point that came up was that of Spanish pensions.
The UK pays pensions to Spaniards who worked in Gibraltar prior to the closing of the frontier in 1969.
This is all covered in the Cordoba agreement.
So far UK taxpayers have paid about £70 million and the final bill is expected to reach £150 million
However the PP have reneged that agreement and all their responsibilities under it.
The UK however still upholds that agreement and continues to pay the pensions.
Your money??
This is sh!t-stirring.
Do you really think that HM Government is going to turn it's back on the loyal Spanish workforce that has been employed since God knows when in Gibraltar, just because the Spanish Government has withdrawn from it's part of the agreement?
Read Annex 1 of the Cordoba Agreement which acknowledges Britain's obligation to pay these pensions under EU law, anyway.
Where do you get your figures from for the indebtedness of Britain for these pensions ? (I really won't accept any figures from the Gibraltar Chronicle.
)You really are pulling the big lumps out of the bottom of the barrel.
Last edited by two tubes of toothpaste; Mar 5th 2014 at 9:49 am.
Mar 5th 2014 | 7:48 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
As the current Gibraltarian government believes it would be a disaster if the UK were to leave the EU does that mean that " someone " will be forming a local branch of UKIP ???
Would Gibraltar declare itself independent of a non EU UK and retain its EU membership ??
Would Gibraltar declare itself independent of a non EU UK and retain its EU membership ??
Mar 5th 2014 | 7:49 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
Picardo tells FAC the UK hasn't done enough to deter Spain
This is the full televised meeting,
One and a half hours.
http://www.gbc.gi/television/tv-play...2&episode=6670
This is the full televised meeting,
One and a half hours.
http://www.gbc.gi/television/tv-play...2&episode=6670
Mar 5th 2014 | 8:03 pm
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Seriously ?
This is sh!t-stirring.
Do you really think that HM Government is going to turn it's back on the loyal Spanish workforce that has been employed since God knows when in Gibraltar, just because the Spanish Government has withdrawn from it's part of the agreement?
Read Annex 1 of the Cordoba Agreement which acknowledges Britain's obligation to pay these pensions under EU law, anyway.
Where do you get your figures from for the indebtedness of Britain for these pensions ? (I really won't accept any figures from the Gibraltar Chronicle. )
You really are pulling the big lumps out of the bottom of the barrel.
This is sh!t-stirring.
Do you really think that HM Government is going to turn it's back on the loyal Spanish workforce that has been employed since God knows when in Gibraltar, just because the Spanish Government has withdrawn from it's part of the agreement?
Read Annex 1 of the Cordoba Agreement which acknowledges Britain's obligation to pay these pensions under EU law, anyway.
Where do you get your figures from for the indebtedness of Britain for these pensions ? (I really won't accept any figures from the Gibraltar Chronicle.
)You really are pulling the big lumps out of the bottom of the barrel.
Did you even read it?
I thought I had left the bigger pieces of shit in the barrel.
Mar 5th 2014 | 8:49 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
Picardo tells FAC the UK hasn't done enough to deter Spain
This is the full televised meeting,
One and a half hours.
http://www.gbc.gi/television/tv-play...2&episode=6670
This is the full televised meeting,
One and a half hours.
http://www.gbc.gi/television/tv-play...2&episode=6670
cameras were there to catch him dashing up the the aircraft stairs in a jacket carefully tailored to reveal a peacock blue lining. He finds arguing with other EU countries embarrassing and couldn't give a toss about the queues. Gibraltar would be better trying to lobby other Politicians.
Mar 5th 2014 | 8:57 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
I think he may be correct. William Haig is trying desperately to be a big player on the world stage...including the EU one. Remember how he rushed into Libya with Sarkozy for his photoshoot. Tried to lead the West into the mess that is Syria until he had his wings clipped by Parliament. There he was a few days ago on his way to Ukraine...why cameras were there to catch him dashing up the the aircraft stairs in a jacket carefully tailored to reveal a peacock blue lining. He finds arguing with other EU countries embarrassing and couldn't give a toss about the queues. Gibraltar would be better trying to lobby other Politicians.
cameras were there to catch him dashing up the the aircraft stairs in a jacket carefully tailored to reveal a peacock blue lining. He finds arguing with other EU countries embarrassing and couldn't give a toss about the queues. Gibraltar would be better trying to lobby other Politicians.
Mar 5th 2014 | 11:20 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
You have to remember that in the world league of nations with influence we are no longer Man U but the equivalent of West Brom.
Why on earth would anyone expect Haugue to be able to influence events or any UK minister for that reason.
Why on earth would anyone expect Haugue to be able to influence events or any UK minister for that reason.
Mar 5th 2014 | 11:34 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
Have you seen where Manure are in the table ?
