Gibraltar
#2252
Companies should pay their tax (on profits) in the country where the profit is made and not be allowed to disguise that by passing supplies through another country with a lower tax (on profits) regime. Inflating the cost to the end user country in this way is in my opinion wrong.
Such inquiries have raised questions for European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, former long-time prime minister of Luxembourg, over his role in the country's tax policies. ( How surprising
)"The Commission's preliminary view is that the tax ruling of 5 November 2003 by Luxembourg in favour of Amazon constitutes state aid... and the Commission has doubts at this stage as to that ruling's compatibility with the internal market."
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/eu...075315907.html
Before anyone jumps on the bandwagon Spain has already reported Gibraltar for this and Gib has been cleared
#2253
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EU says part of Amazon's Luxembourg tax deal 'cosmetic
Such inquiries have raised questions for European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, former long-time prime minister of Luxembourg, over his role in the country's tax policies. ( How surprising
)
"The Commission's preliminary view is that the tax ruling of 5 November 2003 by Luxembourg in favour of Amazon constitutes state aid... and the Commission has doubts at this stage as to that ruling's compatibility with the internal market."
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/eu...075315907.html
Before anyone jumps on the bandwagon Spain has already reported Gibraltar for this and Gib has been cleared
Such inquiries have raised questions for European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, former long-time prime minister of Luxembourg, over his role in the country's tax policies. ( How surprising
)"The Commission's preliminary view is that the tax ruling of 5 November 2003 by Luxembourg in favour of Amazon constitutes state aid... and the Commission has doubts at this stage as to that ruling's compatibility with the internal market."
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/eu...075315907.html
Before anyone jumps on the bandwagon Spain has already reported Gibraltar for this and Gib has been cleared
It's already considered a foregone conclusion that Amazon is unfairly 'evading' their fair share of taxes. But like other cases, they likely aren't doing anything illegal at all. Only "unethical" (although that's a subjective distinction - a matter of opinion, not a matter of law).
Some would argue that anywhere that has lower taxation than us (and those who operate from there) must be somehow "dodgy"...
...but I'd argue that our taxation is simply too high in the first place. Europe is (as a matter of record) "tax-aholic". Or perhaps more accurately "spend-aholic".
And like any alcoholic, we'll will passionately argue that any country that isn't like us - a taxaholic (or anyone paying tax there) - is "wrong" or otherwise "unscrupulous". But that completely ignores the issue of increasingly oppressive taxation in the first place.
No doubt Amazon is paying less tax (than if they were registered in say, the UK). Because they can. Just like most people would - given the opportunity.
So, make it >illegal<, and then perhaps Amazon will have every reason move to an even friendlier jurisdiction, and pay nothing to the EU. Just like most people would.
#2254
This issue is another great example.
It's already considered a foregone conclusion that Amazon is unfairly 'evading' their fair share of taxes. But like other cases, they likely aren't doing anything illegal at all. Only "unethical" (although that's a subjective distinction - a matter of opinion, not a matter of law).
Some would argue that anywhere that has lower taxation than us (and those who operate from there) must be somehow "dodgy"...
...but I'd argue that our taxation is simply too high in the first place. Europe is (as a matter of record) "tax-aholic". Or perhaps more accurately "spend-aholic".
And like any alcoholic, we'll will passionately argue that any country that isn't like us - a taxaholic (or anyone paying tax there) - is "wrong" or otherwise "unscrupulous". But that completely ignores the issue of increasingly oppressive taxation in the first place.
No doubt Amazon is paying less tax (than if they were registered in say, the UK). Because they can. Just like most people would - given the opportunity.
So, make it >illegal<, and then perhaps Amazon will have every reason move to an even friendlier jurisdiction, and pay nothing to the EU. Just like most people would.
It's already considered a foregone conclusion that Amazon is unfairly 'evading' their fair share of taxes. But like other cases, they likely aren't doing anything illegal at all. Only "unethical" (although that's a subjective distinction - a matter of opinion, not a matter of law).
Some would argue that anywhere that has lower taxation than us (and those who operate from there) must be somehow "dodgy"...
...but I'd argue that our taxation is simply too high in the first place. Europe is (as a matter of record) "tax-aholic". Or perhaps more accurately "spend-aholic".
And like any alcoholic, we'll will passionately argue that any country that isn't like us - a taxaholic (or anyone paying tax there) - is "wrong" or otherwise "unscrupulous". But that completely ignores the issue of increasingly oppressive taxation in the first place.
No doubt Amazon is paying less tax (than if they were registered in say, the UK). Because they can. Just like most people would - given the opportunity.
So, make it >illegal<, and then perhaps Amazon will have every reason move to an even friendlier jurisdiction, and pay nothing to the EU. Just like most people would.

I am sure that if Amazon or any other company were obliged to up the tax bill, the cost would be passed on somehow to us.
#2255
Security state increased to 'substantial' - precautionary, no specific threat
Date: 16 January 2015
The security state in Gibraltar has been raised to "substantial" with immediate effect. According to the Convent, this is based on events in Europe and intelligence assessments.
A spokesperson said this is a precautionary measure, and is not indicative of a specific threat to the Rock.
The Police has increased its presence across Gibraltar, including entry and exit points. GBC understands extra personnel have been deployed, including more armed officers. Our camera captured one team arriving at the frontier earlier this evening, as cars waited in excess of 45 minutes to exit the Rock.
According to the Convent, which is responsible for the defence of the Rock, the increased security state is based on events in Europe and intelligence assessments.
Last week, terror attacks in Paris sent shock waves across Europe. On Thursday, a suspected jihadist group was targeted in a major anti-terror raid in Belgium, resulting in two suspects being shot dead.
Before Friday, the security state locally was ‘moderate’. The change likely follows conversations between the Governor Sir James Dutton, the Chief Minister Fabian Picardo, the Commissioner of Police Eddie Yome and the Commander British Forces Commodore Ian McGhie.
The advice to the public is to remain vigilant, and to report any concerns to the police on 20072500.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LFr...ature=youtu.be
GBC | Gibraltar Broadcasting Corporation
Date: 16 January 2015
The security state in Gibraltar has been raised to "substantial" with immediate effect. According to the Convent, this is based on events in Europe and intelligence assessments.
A spokesperson said this is a precautionary measure, and is not indicative of a specific threat to the Rock.
The Police has increased its presence across Gibraltar, including entry and exit points. GBC understands extra personnel have been deployed, including more armed officers. Our camera captured one team arriving at the frontier earlier this evening, as cars waited in excess of 45 minutes to exit the Rock.
According to the Convent, which is responsible for the defence of the Rock, the increased security state is based on events in Europe and intelligence assessments.
Last week, terror attacks in Paris sent shock waves across Europe. On Thursday, a suspected jihadist group was targeted in a major anti-terror raid in Belgium, resulting in two suspects being shot dead.
Before Friday, the security state locally was ‘moderate’. The change likely follows conversations between the Governor Sir James Dutton, the Chief Minister Fabian Picardo, the Commissioner of Police Eddie Yome and the Commander British Forces Commodore Ian McGhie.
The advice to the public is to remain vigilant, and to report any concerns to the police on 20072500.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LFr...ature=youtu.be
GBC | Gibraltar Broadcasting Corporation
#2256
Peers reassured UK firm on Gib single sky inclusion
The British Government has reiterated in the House of Lords that Gibraltar continues to be included in the scope of existing Single European Sky II (SESII) legislation, “as it should be under the Treaties of the European Unionâ€.
Baroness Kramer, Liberal Democrat, told Peers that at the Transport Council on December 5, the UK Government took a very firm position making it clear to the European Commission and Italian Presidency that Spain’s attempts to exclude Gibraltar airport from the proposed Single European Sky Two+ proposals were unacceptable to the UK and the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Transport, Robert Goodwill walked out of Council to protest this approach.
“The Government will continue to oppose Spain’s attempts to exclude Gibraltar airport from future aviation legislation,†she said.
The stance echoed statements by Europe Minister David Lidington in the Commons a week ago where he stated that Britiain’s starting point is that Gibraltar is, in respect of aviation laws, a part of the European Union.
Mr Lidington declared that in respect of aviation and other important political questions, Gibraltar falls within the European Union.
“We are therefore more than disappointed - we are angry - that Spain is seeking to secure the suspension of Gibraltar from EU aviation dossiers, “he said emphasizing that all member states were made aware that Gibraltar’s exclusion is unacceptable to UK.
“We have secured a clear assurance that this legislation will not be taken forward in a form that is unacceptable to us. I was asked whether, in the event of a measure being passed by qualified majority voting that excluded Gibraltar, we would take legal action. I prefer not to speculate too far on legal action in hypothetical circumstances because our objective is that treaties should be respected, and we believe that the Commission, with a duty to uphold the treaties, and other member state Governments who also have such an interest would support us in such an objective. I think that I have made it clear that we would regard the exclusion of Gibraltar as a breach of the article that I mentioned earlier in my remarks.
The minister told MPs that several EU legislative measures now in draft would be of particular value to not only the UK aviation industry, but Europe’s aviation industry more generally.
The British Air Transport Association estimates that the failure to make progress with draft legislation on air passenger rights is likely to cost British airlines up to €50 million a year - a figure that will be translated into higher air fares for passengers, he said.
The European Commission estimates that the single European sky initiative overall may provide up to €5 billion in greater efficiencies for the European aviation sector.
Gibraltar Chronicle - The Independent Daily First Published 1801
The British Government has reiterated in the House of Lords that Gibraltar continues to be included in the scope of existing Single European Sky II (SESII) legislation, “as it should be under the Treaties of the European Unionâ€.
Baroness Kramer, Liberal Democrat, told Peers that at the Transport Council on December 5, the UK Government took a very firm position making it clear to the European Commission and Italian Presidency that Spain’s attempts to exclude Gibraltar airport from the proposed Single European Sky Two+ proposals were unacceptable to the UK and the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Transport, Robert Goodwill walked out of Council to protest this approach.
“The Government will continue to oppose Spain’s attempts to exclude Gibraltar airport from future aviation legislation,†she said.
The stance echoed statements by Europe Minister David Lidington in the Commons a week ago where he stated that Britiain’s starting point is that Gibraltar is, in respect of aviation laws, a part of the European Union.
Mr Lidington declared that in respect of aviation and other important political questions, Gibraltar falls within the European Union.
“We are therefore more than disappointed - we are angry - that Spain is seeking to secure the suspension of Gibraltar from EU aviation dossiers, “he said emphasizing that all member states were made aware that Gibraltar’s exclusion is unacceptable to UK.
“We have secured a clear assurance that this legislation will not be taken forward in a form that is unacceptable to us. I was asked whether, in the event of a measure being passed by qualified majority voting that excluded Gibraltar, we would take legal action. I prefer not to speculate too far on legal action in hypothetical circumstances because our objective is that treaties should be respected, and we believe that the Commission, with a duty to uphold the treaties, and other member state Governments who also have such an interest would support us in such an objective. I think that I have made it clear that we would regard the exclusion of Gibraltar as a breach of the article that I mentioned earlier in my remarks.
The minister told MPs that several EU legislative measures now in draft would be of particular value to not only the UK aviation industry, but Europe’s aviation industry more generally.
The British Air Transport Association estimates that the failure to make progress with draft legislation on air passenger rights is likely to cost British airlines up to €50 million a year - a figure that will be translated into higher air fares for passengers, he said.
The European Commission estimates that the single European sky initiative overall may provide up to €5 billion in greater efficiencies for the European aviation sector.
Gibraltar Chronicle - The Independent Daily First Published 1801
#2257
Post from August 25th 2013
http://britishexpats.com/forum/plaza.../#post10868097
Guardia Civil shooting in Gib waters
More Spaniards out of work
Now Spain announces blockade on trucks carrying rocks to Gibraltar
GBC | Gibraltar Broadcasting Corporation
http://www.europapress.es/andalucia/...824152401.html
Well the trucks are rolling again
No fanfare no announcement from Spain nothing
I wonder if a Spanish politician has purchased shares in one of these companies whilst business was poor ?
http://britishexpats.com/forum/plaza.../#post10868097
Guardia Civil shooting in Gib waters
More Spaniards out of work
Now Spain announces blockade on trucks carrying rocks to Gibraltar
GBC | Gibraltar Broadcasting Corporation
http://www.europapress.es/andalucia/...824152401.html
Well the trucks are rolling again

No fanfare no announcement from Spain nothing

I wonder if a Spanish politician has purchased shares in one of these companies whilst business was poor ?
#2258
Whilst looking for an article today I came across this older incident from December 2009, well before the cocrete blocks 
Guardia Civil detained in Gibraltar after boat chase
Four Spanish 'Guardia Civil' officers were detained in Gibraltar tonight (Monday 7 Dec). Late Monday evening a Guardia Civil launch was chasing a Spanish fast boat in waters near Gibraltar.
The pursuit continued into Gibraltar harbour and ended with both the fast boat and the Guardia Civil launch being grounded in Gibraltar port area by 'Harbour Views'.
Once on land, the two men on the fast launch raced for cover. The Guardia Civil rushed after them. Shots were heard, it is claimed.
The Guardia Civil officers were taken to Police HQ.
Gibraltar police also arrested the two men on the fast launch and took them away.
The two vessels have been seized.
The Gibraltar police said this was a 'very serious' incident.
Eyewitnesses claim that several shots were heard, but it was not clear how many.
http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/hea...e&article=5350
Latest News (Monday, 11pm CET): Four Civil Guards released by Gibraltar police
The Spanish interior minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba late on Monday night telephoned the Chief Minister of Gibraltar Peter Caruana and offered his apologies for the 'incorrect action' taken by the Spanish Guardia Civil officers, who had earlier been detained by Gibraltar police for entering Gibraltar waters and landing in the port area, in pursuit of a Spanish fast launch with two men onboard.
Interior ministry said Caruana had accepted the apologies and that they hoped the matter would be resolved shortly.
Shortly thereafter, the Gibraltar police said the four Guardia Civil officers had been released.
The Gibraltar Police said: "Enquiries established that the Guardia Civil mistakenly entered Gibraltar Territorial Waters in hot pursuit and have since apologised for their actions. The 4 Spanish officers have been released pending further enquiries and handed over to the custody of the Guardia Civil Command in Algeciras. The RGP though, have retained their RIB and firearms pending further enquiries.
"The other two Spanish nationals who were subject of the chase are being investigated for the offences of importing a prohibited import [the RIB]"
http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/hea...e&article=5351
What could have happened
The Civil Guard incident: Had the chase turned south into Admiralty waters, “no choice but to open fireâ€
Asked to comment on the recent incursion by Guardia Civil into the port, Commodore Bell pointed out that if the RIB and Guardia civil had turned south into Admiralty waters instead of into the New Harbours area, and broken through the ‘Boom’, rules of engagement would have meant that the Captain of the HMS Enterprise currently in dock would have had no choice but to fire at the Guardia Civil.
This, he said, has been pointed out to his superiors in Whitehall.
http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/hea...e&article=5362

Guardia Civil detained in Gibraltar after boat chase
Four Spanish 'Guardia Civil' officers were detained in Gibraltar tonight (Monday 7 Dec). Late Monday evening a Guardia Civil launch was chasing a Spanish fast boat in waters near Gibraltar.
The pursuit continued into Gibraltar harbour and ended with both the fast boat and the Guardia Civil launch being grounded in Gibraltar port area by 'Harbour Views'.
Once on land, the two men on the fast launch raced for cover. The Guardia Civil rushed after them. Shots were heard, it is claimed.
The Guardia Civil officers were taken to Police HQ.
Gibraltar police also arrested the two men on the fast launch and took them away.
The two vessels have been seized.
The Gibraltar police said this was a 'very serious' incident.
Eyewitnesses claim that several shots were heard, but it was not clear how many.
http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/hea...e&article=5350
Latest News (Monday, 11pm CET): Four Civil Guards released by Gibraltar police
The Spanish interior minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba late on Monday night telephoned the Chief Minister of Gibraltar Peter Caruana and offered his apologies for the 'incorrect action' taken by the Spanish Guardia Civil officers, who had earlier been detained by Gibraltar police for entering Gibraltar waters and landing in the port area, in pursuit of a Spanish fast launch with two men onboard.
Interior ministry said Caruana had accepted the apologies and that they hoped the matter would be resolved shortly.
Shortly thereafter, the Gibraltar police said the four Guardia Civil officers had been released.
The Gibraltar Police said: "Enquiries established that the Guardia Civil mistakenly entered Gibraltar Territorial Waters in hot pursuit and have since apologised for their actions. The 4 Spanish officers have been released pending further enquiries and handed over to the custody of the Guardia Civil Command in Algeciras. The RGP though, have retained their RIB and firearms pending further enquiries.
"The other two Spanish nationals who were subject of the chase are being investigated for the offences of importing a prohibited import [the RIB]"
http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/hea...e&article=5351
What could have happened
The Civil Guard incident: Had the chase turned south into Admiralty waters, “no choice but to open fireâ€
Asked to comment on the recent incursion by Guardia Civil into the port, Commodore Bell pointed out that if the RIB and Guardia civil had turned south into Admiralty waters instead of into the New Harbours area, and broken through the ‘Boom’, rules of engagement would have meant that the Captain of the HMS Enterprise currently in dock would have had no choice but to fire at the Guardia Civil.
This, he said, has been pointed out to his superiors in Whitehall.
http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/hea...e&article=5362
#2259
Gibraltar submits UNESCO application today
by Alice Mascarenhas
Gibraltar will today present its nomination to make the Gorham’s Cave Complex and the cliffs leading to O’Hara’s Battery including Mediterranean Steps a UNESCO World Heritage Site
Gibraltar Chronicle - The Independent Daily First Published 1801
by Alice Mascarenhas
Gibraltar will today present its nomination to make the Gorham’s Cave Complex and the cliffs leading to O’Hara’s Battery including Mediterranean Steps a UNESCO World Heritage Site
Gibraltar Chronicle - The Independent Daily First Published 1801
#2260
Navy challenges Spanish vessel in British waters
The Gibraltar Squadron’s HMS Scimitar is pictured above tracking a Spanish Navy vessel which was ordered out of British Gibraltar territorial waters yesterday morning.
“The Royal Navy challenged the vessel, which departed British waters,†a Foreign Office spokesman said.
“The actions of the Spanish Navy constitute a breach of UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and we will be protesting this with the Spanish Government.â€
Gibraltar Chronicle - The Independent Daily First Published 1801
The Gibraltar Squadron’s HMS Scimitar is pictured above tracking a Spanish Navy vessel which was ordered out of British Gibraltar territorial waters yesterday morning.
“The Royal Navy challenged the vessel, which departed British waters,†a Foreign Office spokesman said.
“The actions of the Spanish Navy constitute a breach of UN Convention on the Law of the Sea and we will be protesting this with the Spanish Government.â€
Gibraltar Chronicle - The Independent Daily First Published 1801
#2261
No breach of environmental laws, says EU
The European Commission has again told a Spanmish questioner that there has been no breach of EU envionmental law by Gibraltar in respect of landfills on the eastside.
In November, Spanish MEP Fernando Maura asked the following question:
"In both the previous parliamentary term and this one a number of questions have been put to the Commission about the landfill works being carried out by Gibraltar in a special conservation area.
"To date, however, the Commission has shown no interest in investigating these works, which are seriously damaging to the environment. They extend over an area of approximately 100 000 m2 and involve speculative investments (luxury apartments) and the creation of leisure amenities.
"What is more, environmental organisations have complained that because Spain blocked the export to Gibraltar of aggregates for landfill purposes, the aggregates now being used may contain dangerous waste.
"1. In view of these fresh complaints, does the Commission intend to carry out a serious investigation in situ into the possibly irreparable damage being caused to an EU special conservation area?
"2. Will the Commission call on the Government of Gibraltar or, failing that, the UK Government to suspend these works pending proper investigation of the environmental risks involved?"
NO BREACH, SAYS EU
Now, Mr Vella on behalf of the Commission, has given the following answer:
"The Commission is aware of the land reclamation works under the Eastside Project and the activities in Sandy Bay (Playa del Algarrobo) near the Eastside Project and has assessed all the information provided on this issue by the Spanish and UK authorities. Based on the evidence produced, the Commission services were not able to identify any breach of EU environmental legislation.
"The Commission services have seen no evidence to support the claim that the aggregates being used for reclamation activities contain dangerous waste.â€
http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/hea...12813&offset=0
Hypocritical Spain would be well advised to look at it's own problems which it continues to sweep under the carpet.
A long standing problem still going on today
Radioactive waste dump in Huelva found to be leaking
The Nuclear Security Council (CSN) has detected leaks in a Huelva dump where the ashes from a 1998 fire, which contain radioactive material, are stored.
HUELVA - The Nuclear Security Council (CSN) has detected leaks in a Huelva dump where the ashes from a 1998 fire, which contain radioactive material, are stored. The remains are located next to the River Tinto, some 500 meters from the city of Huelva.
Despite the regional government's denials of any danger, the CSN has sided with environmental groups such as Greenpeace, which has brought attention to the leaks in the past and claims that the regional government hid data about the problem in 2003.
In October of last year, Greenpeace complained about leaks of Caesium 137 into the Huelva marshes, and claims that the CSN's report "confirms the negligence" of the Andalusian regional government.
However, the CSN did confirm that "the radioactive impact [of the leaks] was not significant among the population and on the environment," but went on to criticise Egmasa, the public company that was responsible for properly sealing the waste material.
Radioactive waste dump in Huelva found to be leaking | ES News | Expatica Spain
The European Commission has again told a Spanmish questioner that there has been no breach of EU envionmental law by Gibraltar in respect of landfills on the eastside.
In November, Spanish MEP Fernando Maura asked the following question:
"In both the previous parliamentary term and this one a number of questions have been put to the Commission about the landfill works being carried out by Gibraltar in a special conservation area.
"To date, however, the Commission has shown no interest in investigating these works, which are seriously damaging to the environment. They extend over an area of approximately 100 000 m2 and involve speculative investments (luxury apartments) and the creation of leisure amenities.
"What is more, environmental organisations have complained that because Spain blocked the export to Gibraltar of aggregates for landfill purposes, the aggregates now being used may contain dangerous waste.
"1. In view of these fresh complaints, does the Commission intend to carry out a serious investigation in situ into the possibly irreparable damage being caused to an EU special conservation area?
"2. Will the Commission call on the Government of Gibraltar or, failing that, the UK Government to suspend these works pending proper investigation of the environmental risks involved?"
NO BREACH, SAYS EU
Now, Mr Vella on behalf of the Commission, has given the following answer:
"The Commission is aware of the land reclamation works under the Eastside Project and the activities in Sandy Bay (Playa del Algarrobo) near the Eastside Project and has assessed all the information provided on this issue by the Spanish and UK authorities. Based on the evidence produced, the Commission services were not able to identify any breach of EU environmental legislation.
"The Commission services have seen no evidence to support the claim that the aggregates being used for reclamation activities contain dangerous waste.â€
http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/hea...12813&offset=0
Hypocritical Spain would be well advised to look at it's own problems which it continues to sweep under the carpet.
A long standing problem still going on today
Radioactive waste dump in Huelva found to be leaking
The Nuclear Security Council (CSN) has detected leaks in a Huelva dump where the ashes from a 1998 fire, which contain radioactive material, are stored.
HUELVA - The Nuclear Security Council (CSN) has detected leaks in a Huelva dump where the ashes from a 1998 fire, which contain radioactive material, are stored. The remains are located next to the River Tinto, some 500 meters from the city of Huelva.
Despite the regional government's denials of any danger, the CSN has sided with environmental groups such as Greenpeace, which has brought attention to the leaks in the past and claims that the regional government hid data about the problem in 2003.
In October of last year, Greenpeace complained about leaks of Caesium 137 into the Huelva marshes, and claims that the CSN's report "confirms the negligence" of the Andalusian regional government.
However, the CSN did confirm that "the radioactive impact [of the leaks] was not significant among the population and on the environment," but went on to criticise Egmasa, the public company that was responsible for properly sealing the waste material.
Radioactive waste dump in Huelva found to be leaking | ES News | Expatica Spain
#2262
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Was there not once a leak from a UK nuclear sub in GiB and look up the history of Sell afield. You will find that leaks from nuclear facilities are worldwide and common place. Or are you suggesting that everything is Spain's fault .?
#2263
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from global warming, to overfishing, gambling, to tax evasion, to worldwide moral decay, and now nuclear waste. If Gib weren't stolen from Spain, none of those things would exist.
#2264
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Are you suggesting that the UK nuclear sub leak in GiB did not happen and Sellafield is in the UK . Sorry if I have taken you away from reading Dickens a time when their was little tax an public spending. No doubt you would have been happier then as one of the few haves in a world of have nots. You might even of lived beyond the grand old old of 50. All that tax and spending that has extended human life and improved the living conditions of billions can only have been a bad thing.
#2265
However the present problem with the Acerinox accident is much closer to Portugal than Gibraltar.



