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-   -   Expats Heating Allowance - Justified? (https://britishexpats.com/forum/spain-75/expats-heating-allowance-justified-792158/)

EMR Mar 28th 2013 4:28 am
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Some of the quotes such as the last one from Mitzy do not add to the arguement.
No one forced any of us to move from the UK to buy or live in Spain , Portugal etc. We did so because we believe that our lifestyles will be better.
Personally I do not think that anyone who leaves the UK should receive universal benefits like WFA, I know of some who abuse the UK NHS by having a rental property as their UK address so that they can still enjoy free dental treatment etc flying back to the UK 2/3 times a year for check ups at the UK tax payers expense.
The majority of the UK population would swop places with most of us tomorrow, so stop complaining about what you get or do not get from the UK.

lynnxa Mar 28th 2013 4:28 am
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Originally Posted by Davidindevon (Post 10629108)
To all I apologise profusely for not using the 'quote' button.

But do you think it is right that such money is being paid when expats are not even being treated?
where on earth do you get the idea that expats aren't being treated??

Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 4:30 am
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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10629057)
I fought to keep the world free and for free speech and we very nearly got it in the UK, but it slipped away

I paid in my NI and took exceedingly little out of it over the decades, I now receive my pension as defined by the Government, with the WFA as demanded by the EU.
I am grateful for what I get

perhaps they will provide me with a free feed to this UKTV everyone is shouting about
:rofl:
I do get tired of having to read all this stuff about what people fought for. I was in the military for more years than I care to remember but that is all I need to say on that particular part of my life. Please tell me why you claim that there is no free speech in the UK.

olivefarmer Mar 28th 2013 4:33 am
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31 - olive farmer
Whilst we would all like a higher pension I would make the point that all expats know what is before they leave the UK and therefore cannot complain afterwards. With regard to the EU raiding accounts they could not do it to the UK because we are not members of the Euro.


I never said I want a higher state pension myself. I do however have a number of elderly relatives and for some of them it is a real stretch existing on the pathetically low amount they receive. Something wrong there . They fought and suffered through WW2. I think you may be making a reference to the fact that (bizarrely) if you emigrate to some countries the state pension is frozen despite the fact that you paid into the system for(in many cases) a whole life. That is just plain wrong. Doesn't affect me.

I hope you are around on the forum in five years time to report back on the "secure position of UK bank accounts". What a laugh. When the chips are down, the only place to get money from is Joe Public. The Argentinians did it in 2000,New Zealand is currently considering it. What makes the Uk any different? My firm prediction is that the UK will be IN the Euro within five years if it still exists. They had the opportunity to do something about the escalating debt in the current Parliament but dithering Dave didn't. Pity.

Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 4:35 am
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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10629114)
Some of the quotes such as the last one from Mitzy do not add to the arguement.
No one forced any of us to move from the UK to buy or live in Spain , Portugal etc. We did so because we believe that our lifestyles will be better.
Personally I do not think that anyone who leaves the UK should receive universal benefits like WFA, I know of some who abuse the UK NHS by having a rental property as their UK address so that they can still enjoy free dental treatment etc flying back to the UK 2/3 times a year for check ups at the UK tax payers expense.
The majority of the UK population would swop places with most of us tomorrow, so stop complaining about what you get or do not get from the UK.
I could not agree more with what you write. The bit you write about regarding retaining a UK address is extremely pertinent as to why I take the stance that. I do. Another example of this happened only two weeks ago and the 'abuse' was occasioned by the very 'friends' I mentioned in an earlier post. It does make me very angry.

Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 4:40 am
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Originally Posted by lynnxa (Post 10629115)
where on earth do you get the idea that expats aren't being treated??
I did not say that expats were not being treated per se but the fact is that many expats have not had the need to use the service yet the UK still pays the same monthly amount irrespective of whether it is used or not. In my humble opinion it is money down the drain or would you disagree with that?

EsuriJohn Mar 28th 2013 4:41 am
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Originally Posted by Davidindevon (Post 10628803)
I am interested to hear how you retired expats can justify being paid this allowance. I would argue that only residents in the UK should be entitled to it. You chose to move abroad so all you should get is your pension and nothing else!
Thank you for your generosity.

Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 4:45 am
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Originally Posted by olivefarmer (Post 10629129)
31 - olive farmer
Whilst we would all like a higher pension I would make the point that all expats know what is before they leave the UK and therefore cannot complain afterwards. With regard to the EU raiding accounts they could not do it to the UK because we are not members of the Euro.


I never said I want a higher state pension myself. I do however have a number of elderly relatives and for some of them it is a real stretch existing on the pathetically low amount they receive. Something wrong there . They fought and suffered through WW2. I think you may be making a reference to the fact that (bizarrely) if you emigrate to some countries the state pension is frozen despite the fact that you paid into the system for(in many cases) a whole life. That is just plain wrong. Doesn't affect me.

I hope you are around on the forum in five years time to report back on the "secure position of UK bank accounts". What a laugh. When the chips are down, the only place to get money from is Joe Public. The Argentinians did it in 2000,New Zealand is currently considering it. What makes the Uk any different? My firm prediction is that the UK will be IN the Euro within five years if it still exists. They had the opportunity to do something about the escalating debt in the current Parliament but dithering Dave didn't. Pity.
I support totally what you write in the first two paragraphs. However, I do not believe that the Euro will still be around in five years time. Hopefully all the non elected, almost Fascist, Commissioners will be long gone and the EU as we know it now will return to what we originally signed up to, a Common Market.

Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 4:48 am
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Originally Posted by John & Kath (Post 10629144)
Thank you for your generosity.
Glad to be of service to you both!

lynnxa Mar 28th 2013 4:53 am
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Originally Posted by Davidindevon (Post 10629141)
I did not say that expats were not being treated per se but the fact is that many expats have not had the need to use the service yet the UK still pays the same monthly amount irrespective of whether it is used or not. In my humble opinion it is money down the drain or would you disagree with that?
& there are plenty who 'spend' way more that the 3000 ish a year ....

it's swings & roundabouts

& I'd guess that since the older you get the more likely you are to have health issues the UK is getting its money's worth....

Fredbargate Mar 28th 2013 5:01 am
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Originally Posted by Davidindevon (Post 10629141)
I did not say that expats were not being treated per se but the fact is that many expats have not had the need to use the service yet the UK still pays the same monthly amount irrespective of whether it is used or not. In my humble opinion it is money down the drain or would you disagree with that?
Well I can assure you that the UK pays naff all towards my healthcare even though I receive a derisory UK pension.

Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 5:02 am
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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 10629068)
Well, I have to say you are trolling. You obviously have no regard for the big picture and just want to wind people up ... which wont work because people will see you for what you are. We're used to having digs thrown at us by the UK media and people who are in the UK.

At the end of the day, I really dont care for the "I'm all right Jack" view of things. Spanish expats get healthcare on the UK, UK pensioners get healthcare in Spain. Its the EU ... get used to it :);)
Oh dear me! I am not, and never have been, a troll as you accuse me of. I merely exercise my right to express my opinions on this or any other forum but because you do not agree with me I suddenly become a troll! Pathetic.

Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 5:06 am
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 10629181)
Well I can assure you that the UK pays naff all towards my healthcare even though I receive a derisory UK pension.
Maybe you did not read my reply correctly. Hopefully you enjoy very good health and therefore do not have to avail yourself of that service but it is a fact that each and every expat pensioner in Spain is covered by a payment of £247 per month irrespective of whether they use the Spanish medical services or not. Is that clear enough to you?

Mitzyboy Mar 28th 2013 5:08 am
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Originally Posted by Davidindevon (Post 10629186)
Oh dear me! I am not, and never have been, a troll as you accuse me of. I merely exercise my right to express my opinions on this or any other forum but because you do not agree with me I suddenly become a troll! Pathetic.
4. Trolling
Trolling on this site is not tolerated. We define trolling as any inflammatory threads or posts that are started with the sole intent of upsetting or antagonizing other members. Anyone found making such posts will be removed from the forums.


If you honestly dont think that as a new member, coming onto an expats forum and attacking the members rights to a benefits that they are quite entitled to isn't going to raise hackles, then you most certainly are being a little blinkered.

And now I'm pathetic ... well, if thats all you've got I'm cool with that :rofl:

Mitzyboy Mar 28th 2013 5:11 am
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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10629114)
Some of the quotes such as the last one from Mitzy do not add to the arguement.
No one forced any of us to
The majority of the UK population would swop places with most of us tomorrow, so stop complaining about what you get or do not get from the UK.
Err, I'm not complaining
For one, I'm not a pensioner so I get naf all anyway in the way of heating allowance


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