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Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 8:19 am

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Originally Posted by Lionda (Post 10629658)
I live on the south coast of England, I have lived in Spain, it is currently very cold on the south coast of England but it was also very cold during the winter when we lived in Spain ... not far from Benidorm. When we lived in Spain we didn't qualify for the heating allowance but luckily we had a log fire and were able to collect wood and keep warm. One place we lived at (rented) the very small pool was frozen over in the winter, solid ice! We are now back in England and also due to age now qualify for the heating allowance and very welcome it is too. You need to open your eyes, wake up and step out of your cosy little bubble once in a while and see things as they are. It does get cold in Spain and in other EU countries and also not forgetting that homes are mostly tiled in Spain not wall to wall carpeting and central heating. Also and this is a very important part of it all ..... a lot of the British in Spain have paid into the system and made many many years of contributions so that people like you (if you qualify) can get the heating allowance and other benefits which makes England a magnet for those in other countries without these benefits want to live there. :frown:

Good evening. I have certainly provoked a great deal of ire with what I wrote and you are no exception. What I would say to you is that the majority of UK residents who have never been expats would side with my point of view and particularly so as they only relate the weather in Spain to what they see when they spend their week/fortnight at one of the Costas or Balearics. I am of the view that this allowance should be abolished altogether with an in lieu payment of around £5 per week added to every pensioners pension.

tommy.irene Mar 28th 2013 8:30 am

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I bumped into my mate in the pub last night who was looking a bit glum, so I asked him what was up.

"Well, I can't afford anything anymore so I've had to cancel my golf and gym memberships, my Sky TV package and have to cut down on fags to 20 a week" he sighed.

"Because of the recession?" I asked.

"No" he replied. "I've been forced off benefits and been made to get a job."

EMR Mar 28th 2013 8:34 am

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If you want to raise the ire of expats just suggest that they should lose any of their UK benefits, phrases including words like rights and entitlement etc soon flow from their pens. Sensible debate and arguements are soon lost as the walls go up.
All this does is re inforce the views that many in the UK have about expats and that all they really want is to live in England in the sun. Responses blaming Spanish or whoevers building standards as being the reasons why we need a UK cold weather allowance will not get you much sympathy or win many votes.
We should all be honest and say thank you to the EU for forcing the UK government tp pay it to UK citizens who reside the EU. I will let go without comment my thoughts on those who do not actually live in the UK but pretend that they still do.
To all just hope that the UK vote to leave the UK promised by Cameron never happens because if it does so will your entitlement to UK benefits .

Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 8:36 am

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Originally Posted by tommy.irene (Post 10629708)
I bumped into my mate in the pub last night who was looking a bit glum, so I asked him what was up.

"Well, I can't afford anything anymore so I've had to cancel my golf and gym memberships, my Sky TV package and have to cut down on fags to 20 a week" he sighed.

"Because of the recession?" I asked.

"No" he replied. "I've been forced off benefits and been made to get a job."

Great joke. Unfortunately it is a fact of life in the UK now where whole families are on benefits and have absolutely no intention of changing that. Another one of my gripes is that there is a family in my village who not only do that but also every summer take a two week holiday abroad courtesy of the taxpayer. Grrrr

Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 9:06 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10629715)
If you want to raise the ire of expats just suggest that they should lose any of their UK benefits, phrases including words like rights and entitlement etc soon flow from their pens. Sensible debate and arguements are soon lost as the walls go up.
All this does is re inforce the views that many in the UK have about expats and that all they really want is to live in England in the sun. Responses blaming Spanish or whoevers building standards as being the reasons why we need a UK cold weather allowance will not get you much sympathy or win many votes.
We should all be honest and say thank you to the EU for forcing the UK government tp pay it to UK citizens who reside the EU. I will let go without comment my thoughts on those who do not actually live in the UK but pretend that they still do.
To all just hope that the UK vote to leave the UK promised by Cameron never happens because if it does so will your entitlement to UK benefits .


The responses I have had on here lends credence to what you write. A number of them have mentioned the quality of the buildings they live in as a reason they should be paid that allowance but they knew that before they bought their homes! Additionally most A/C units have a cooling and heating system built in so it is not that they have no heating. Some of them might even argue that they should get a SHA (Summer Heating Allowance) so that they can afford to switch their A/C's on! Some, but not all, of the arguments put forward today only help to convince UK residents that this payment is a joke.

With regard to your mention of those who have an 'address of convenience' in the UK the 'friends' I mentioned earlier are doing just that. Their latest wheeze was that they came here last month to stay at their 'address' (which their son is living at with his family). Their son went on holiday and because they had no car they immediately went to the local council and got free bus passes so they could get around. These bus passes are solely for UK residents but those two had no hesitation in doing what they did. I was so angry about it and still am.

Leaving the EU would be the best thing we could ever do and my big regret is that Cameron had to go in with Clegg and his lot. I am convinced that had they governed by themselves then we either already have had a in/out referendum or would get one before the next General Election. God help us if Labour get in though!

Fred James Mar 28th 2013 9:14 am

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Originally Posted by Davidindevon (Post 10629802)

Leaving the EU would be the best thing we could ever do and my big regret is that Cameron had to go in with Clegg and his lot. I am convinced that had they governed by themselves then we either already have had a in/out referendum or would get one before the next General Election. God help us if Labour get in though!

I think this is the site you need to visit. You will get more positive responses there to your rants.

http://www.ukip.org/

EMR Mar 28th 2013 9:20 am

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Judging by some of the posts on this thread UKIP would do well among some Expats until they realised that if UKIP got in their EU sponsored UK benefits would dissapear

Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 9:21 am

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Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 10629815)
I think this is the site you need to visit. You will get more positive responses there to your rants.

http://www.ukip.org/

Please note that I am responding to a postbby a member and do not need your input unless it is directly involving that post. What I have written is not a rant as you call it but my considered opinion. Would you call what I have written regarding the expats who have, yet again, abused the system beneficial to expats and their reputation. I certainly would not.

Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 9:24 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10629831)
Judging by some of the posts on this thread UKIP would do well among some Expats until they realised that if UKIP got in their EU sponsored UK benefits would dissapear

Unfortunately there are some who cannot see the woods for the trees. A case in point there who has the temerity to suggest I go to the UKIP website when I class that organisation as being almost akin to the BNP. Maybe he supports Labour!

Fredbargate Mar 28th 2013 9:31 am

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Originally Posted by Davidindevon (Post 10629361)
My understanding is that places like the Canary Islands and Gibraltar are not considered as a integral part of the EU but are administrations of EU Members states(Spain &UK). Of course I accept that I may be wrong!

You are

Sorry to be so long in replying but I went out to help a pensioner sort out her UK TV, followed by a couple of pints and a few calamari etc.

I left after my post 64 :ohmy:

Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 9:38 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 10629853)
You are

Sorry to be so long in replying but I went out to help a pensioner sort out her UK TV, followed by a couple of pints and a few calamari etc.

I left after my post 64 :ohmy:

Do you mean I am right or wrong? Hope the calamari was to your liking.

jimenato Mar 28th 2013 9:50 am

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Originally Posted by Davidindevon (Post 10629857)
Do you mean I am right or wrong? Hope the calamari was to your liking.

You are wrong (about Gran Canaria not being in the EU) - it is. And Gibraltar.

Davidindevon Mar 28th 2013 9:51 am

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Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 10629875)
You are wrong (about Gran Canaria not being in the EU) - it is. And Gibraltar.

Many thanks. I stand corrected.

MikeJ Mar 28th 2013 10:26 am

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Actually Davidindevon, I'm not sure why you keep posting - on and on and on! You stated your opinion in your initial post, you have not listened to any of the answers, taken notice of others opinions nor the facts, just stuck dogmatically to your prejudiced viewpoint. None of your posts have added to your argument. This is a completely sterile thread

Fred James Mar 28th 2013 10:42 am

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Time for bed.

Thread closed.

Troll gone.


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