Originally Posted by Sir John

Waste of TIME/MONEY does it help you?,just imagine all the expats living in older villas with no insulation in the walls or damp courses or insulation in the roofs?,energy rating minus 100?...how can you calclate the thermal effiency of a property properly?,maybe special expensive equipment is needed?,i do not think so!,this requirement is now only nescessary because you are supposed to have it if you sell or rent ou,the excuse CO EMISSIONS!... my arse,another f....g law passed to fleece us of more money and IVA!,when does it end?, just lines the pockets of another company now to fleece people like of their money like the ELCTRIC ICB LIMITER SWITH!!,already we have now be flooded with more scare mongering adverts on the radio and newspapers!,as if it was not enough hearing 10 times a day...................
WARNING,WARNING "how much too much tax do you want to pay we need to talk" ARSEHOLE DECLARATION "it must be made by 30th april deadline!,now we will now be plagued and its started already on BAY RADIO "WARNING AS FROM JUNE YOU WILL NEED AN ENERGY CERTIFICATE TO SELL OR RENT YOUR PROPERTY OUT!"...thank you so much for more grief bay radio and the expat newspapaers just to make our lives here a little bit more miserable than it already has been recently!

Tie a yellow ribbon song is very apt!.....hope my place sells quick i've had enough al this crap here....what's next on spains agenda for us all?.
Yes i'm ANGRY!

Originally Posted by snikpoh

Whilst I agree with most of your sentiments - it's not Spain's fault! They are simply following EU law just like France, Italy, UK etc. have had to!

Originally Posted by Sir John

What did i say about scaremongering on this energy certificate!..here we go,excert from surveyinspain site:-

http://www.surveyspain.com/blog/cee-...cia-energetica,

So what’s going to happen over the next 53 or more days? Agents, who are going to be liable for a considerable fine if they market property without the rating shown, will have to add this item to the other papers that are required to comply with Andalucía’s Decree 218 and similar requirements in other Comunidades. However, not only is the time short, there will be a cost to obtaining this paper, which will be considerably more than that of the Nota Simple or Catastral information. What that cost is to be is as yet undecided as there is no national scale and it will depend upon each assessor. In addition, the certificate is likely to list the inefficiencies of the property, thus giving buyers ‘ammunition’ with which to reduce the price. I do not envy the agent’s task in persuading desperate sellers to put out scarce cash for these certificates.

Originally Posted by jonboy

Perhaps stipulate that the agent takes the cost of it out of his/her commission.
All these things get passed down the line somehow. Perhaps suggest to get the place on the agents books that they fund the certificate. They will then source a cheap certificate supplier PDQ!

Originally Posted by Sir John

Thanks for comment/reply,yes i know its not nescessarily spains fault just follwing EU law!i know france have some stern laws,but it does just not sit well with us all its never ending and costly eh?,we are now all are seeing what the results of us being in the EU and being dictated to by brussels/germany/france and the effects it's having on us all,it seems there is no end to these new rules/laws/regulations which seem to be coming left/right and centre to be thrown at us all .

Originally Posted by jonboy

Perhaps stipulate that the agent takes the cost of it out of his/her commission.
All these things get passed down the line somehow. Perhaps suggest to get the place on the agents books that they fund the certificate. They will then source a cheap certificate supplier PDQ!

Originally Posted by morlandg

Has anyone any experiences of these certificates and willing to share them?
Procedure, cost etc

Originally Posted by snikpoh

I like the idea of getting the agent to actually do something else for their commission but what would happen if you have joint agents?

Clearly you wouldn't have multiple certificates.

At the end of the day, it has to be down to the house owner.

Originally Posted by BUGS

The UK has had these certificates since 2007 and nobody seems to be complaining about them in the UK. The certificates last 10 years, they are registered against the catastral registration number of the property. They stay with the property. How about gas safety certs. They cost around 55 euros a year in Spain, 500 euros over the 10 years the certificate lasts. If it was 27.50 a year nobody would be complaining, however because you are paying 10 years costs in one go it is a big lump to pay. No matter how much people complain, they are law, you need one, argue for or against till the cows come home, they are not going to go away and the simple fact is that if you have your property for sale it needs to have an EPC by law.

Originally Posted by scampicat

As to it being EU law, the UK have stopped them .

Originally Posted by CapnBilly

Think you'll find this statement is wrong.

Originally Posted by me me

How right you are.

The price is cheaper than Spain, but they are still going strong.