ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
Mar 11th 2013 | 9:41 am
#106
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
As Fred says, ExpatShield - a US product - which will store your IP and record your browsing for whateve nefarious purposes such as may be defined within the Patriot Act and other anti-terrorism acts, is allowing you to thieve Intellectual Property by by-passing the IP gateway of the commercial and BBC websites. That they are advertising this as what their product does is proof that it is THEFT - that is the same as a locksmith who always makes an extra copy of keys so he can or his friends can nip round when the house is empty,
So, you take a marvellous photo off Fred's website and start printing it off by the millions, including it in postcards, flogging it around the web.
You make a fortune but the person who took the photo doesn't make a penny out of it.
But that's alright because its only intellectual property and you did it on the internet so it is alright.
Better still, you have a house in the UK, I move in and don't pay you any rent. But that's alright because you are in Spain and if you needed it you would be living in it.
Saxy you are a thief and you and your bowls playing friends need to understand what you are doing can lead to a period in court if not prison.
And remember that the convoluted way the GDY's treat their Patriot Act, you could end up in Guantanamo as you are only a ghost to the TV companies - not to the NSA and GCHQ.
let me know and I will send you a cake with a file inside it
So, you take a marvellous photo off Fred's website and start printing it off by the millions, including it in postcards, flogging it around the web.
You make a fortune but the person who took the photo doesn't make a penny out of it.
But that's alright because its only intellectual property and you did it on the internet so it is alright.
Better still, you have a house in the UK, I move in and don't pay you any rent. But that's alright because you are in Spain and if you needed it you would be living in it.
Saxy you are a thief and you and your bowls playing friends need to understand what you are doing can lead to a period in court if not prison.
And remember that the convoluted way the GDY's treat their Patriot Act, you could end up in Guantanamo as you are only a ghost to the TV companies - not to the NSA and GCHQ.
let me know and I will send you a cake with a file inside it
Mar 11th 2013 | 10:16 am
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
´´In its judgment delivered today, the Court of Justice holds that national legislation which
prohibits the import, sale or use of foreign decoder cards is contrary to the freedom to
provide services and cannot be justified either in light of the objective of protecting intellectual
property rights or by the objective of encouraging the public to attend football stadiums.´´
system of exclusive licences is also contrary to European Union
competition law if the licence agreements prohibit the supply of decoder cards to television
viewers who wish to watch the broadcasts outside the Member State for which the licence
is granted.
not according to the highest court in europe...
prohibits the import, sale or use of foreign decoder cards is contrary to the freedom to
provide services and cannot be justified either in light of the objective of protecting intellectual
property rights or by the objective of encouraging the public to attend football stadiums.´´
system of exclusive licences is also contrary to European Union
competition law if the licence agreements prohibit the supply of decoder cards to television
viewers who wish to watch the broadcasts outside the Member State for which the licence
is granted.
not according to the highest court in europe...
i.e. the person receiving the program is paying for the service.
Hiding your whereabouts and stealing it via the internet is not covered.
Mar 11th 2013 | 6:37 pm
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
Keep it up, you might start to see things more clearly!
30 years ago, the UK Police had problems with people and criminals listening to their radio conversations on RF Scanners. They tried but could not make it illegal to do that. They could only make it illegal to attend incidents that they could prove you had listened to on a scanner. They had to change their system! I wonder if we have a similar legal situation today!
The ECJ ruling deals only with the transmitting of other peoples programs without their permission to do so. For it to be illegal to receive these programs the document would have to state clearly, that it would be illegal to transmit and RECEIVE those programs, IT DOESN'T!!!!
Don't say that it is still theft, if it was, it would have been made clear in the ruling!
Domino30 years ago, the UK Police had problems with people and criminals listening to their radio conversations on RF Scanners. They tried but could not make it illegal to do that. They could only make it illegal to attend incidents that they could prove you had listened to on a scanner. They had to change their system! I wonder if we have a similar legal situation today!
The ECJ ruling deals only with the transmitting of other peoples programs without their permission to do so. For it to be illegal to receive these programs the document would have to state clearly, that it would be illegal to transmit and RECEIVE those programs, IT DOESN'T!!!!
Don't say that it is still theft, if it was, it would have been made clear in the ruling!
Mar 11th 2013 | 6:57 pm
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
Keep it up, you might start to see things more clearly!
30 years ago, the UK Police had problems with people and criminals listening to their radio conversations on RF Scanners. They tried but could not make it illegal to do that. They could only make it illegal to attend incidents that they could prove you had listened to on a scanner. They had to change their system! I wonder if we have a similar legal situation today!
The ECJ ruling deals only with the transmitting of other peoples programs without their permission to do so. For it to be illegal to receive these programs the document would have to state clearly, that it would be illegal to transmit and RECEIVE those programs, IT DOESN'T!!!!
Don't say that it is still theft, if it was, it would have been made clear in the ruling!
30 years ago, the UK Police had problems with people and criminals listening to their radio conversations on RF Scanners. They tried but could not make it illegal to do that. They could only make it illegal to attend incidents that they could prove you had listened to on a scanner. They had to change their system! I wonder if we have a similar legal situation today!
The ECJ ruling deals only with the transmitting of other peoples programs without their permission to do so. For it to be illegal to receive these programs the document would have to state clearly, that it would be illegal to transmit and RECEIVE those programs, IT DOESN'T!!!!
Don't say that it is still theft, if it was, it would have been made clear in the ruling!
The police problem was the splintered set up of the forces, the cost of setting up alternative systems and at that time the bulk of encrypting devices. I was using encrypted voice back in 1970 but you needed a huge amount of kit to do it with. Modern methods of algorithams inside chips mean less bulky radios and the something for nothing brigade can't listen in.
thats the problem with people nowadays, want something for nothing.
full of their human rights demanding this that and the other
live in Spain with brain in the UK
bet you would get quite shirty if you had some intellectual property that was stolen, but then we can't be that lucky
Mar 11th 2013 | 7:11 pm
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the ECJ only ruled on what they were asked to rule on, as referred to them by the British courts.
The police problem was the splintered set up of the forces, the cost of setting up alternative systems and at that time the bulk of encrypting devices. I was using encrypted voice back in 1970 but you needed a huge amount of kit to do it with. Modern methods of algorithams inside chips mean less bulky radios and the something for nothing brigade can't listen in.
thats the problem with people nowadays, want something for nothing.
full of their human rights demanding this that and the other
live in Spain with brain in the UK
bet you would get quite shirty if you had some intellectual property that was stolen, but then we can't be that lucky
The police problem was the splintered set up of the forces, the cost of setting up alternative systems and at that time the bulk of encrypting devices. I was using encrypted voice back in 1970 but you needed a huge amount of kit to do it with. Modern methods of algorithams inside chips mean less bulky radios and the something for nothing brigade can't listen in.
thats the problem with people nowadays, want something for nothing.
full of their human rights demanding this that and the other
live in Spain with brain in the UK
bet you would get quite shirty if you had some intellectual property that was stolen, but then we can't be that lucky
Oh, so now Coronation Street (which according to you is all people watch)
is intellectual
Mar 11th 2013 | 7:12 pm
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
sitting on your island thinking you know about it from reading Robert Ludlum books and watching fantasy scripts on stolen films. God the man is super human you know, goes for days without a drink of water or a bite to eat, even his bruises and scars heal up like magic.
those of you in the "no" ?? what is that
conspiracy theorists that think they have something to hide?? trying to use what they think are undercover methods to keep themselves below the radar.?? learnt it all from a Subversives Handbook they found on the internet ?? (written for them by the CIA but WTF)
believe me, that is Not Possible.
If they want you they will come and get you.
Just you have nothing they want
the more you wriggle, the more you (try to) hide, the more mucky footprints you leave behind in places you didnt even realise you had been.
why not just be honest and open like the rest of the population, stop hiding under the sheets in case someone sees your light is on - or do you really have a Bourne Fixation.
Last edited by Domino; Mar 11th 2013 at 7:14 pm.
Mar 11th 2013 | 8:13 pm
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
the ECJ only ruled on what they were asked to rule on, as referred to them by the British courts.
The police problem was the splintered set up of the forces, the cost of setting up alternative systems and at that time the bulk of encrypting devices. I was using encrypted voice back in 1970 but you needed a huge amount of kit to do it with. Modern methods of algorithams inside chips mean less bulky radios and the something for nothing brigade can't listen in.
thats the problem with people nowadays, want something for nothing.
full of their human rights demanding this that and the other
live in Spain with brain in the UK
bet you would get quite shirty if you had some intellectual property that was stolen, but then we can't be that lucky
The police problem was the splintered set up of the forces, the cost of setting up alternative systems and at that time the bulk of encrypting devices. I was using encrypted voice back in 1970 but you needed a huge amount of kit to do it with. Modern methods of algorithams inside chips mean less bulky radios and the something for nothing brigade can't listen in.
thats the problem with people nowadays, want something for nothing.
full of their human rights demanding this that and the other
live in Spain with brain in the UK
bet you would get quite shirty if you had some intellectual property that was stolen, but then we can't be that lucky
not what it might require in the future!
Last edited by Saxy; Mar 11th 2013 at 8:16 pm.
Mar 11th 2013 | 8:37 pm
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
I said
the ECJ only ruled on what they were asked to rule on, as referred to them by the British courts.
so what part don't you understand about that ???
Mar 12th 2013 | 2:26 am
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
So you should do the decent thing and apologize to all of those people using Europa and FilmOn, that you have accused of theft! From their posts, that will include many BE members!
Mar 12th 2013 | 2:32 am
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The police lawyers were not able to get the courts/legal system to make it illegal to listen to their transmissions.
Mar 12th 2013 | 2:46 am
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
What I do understand, is that the ruling does not make the receiving of UK TV via the internet, illegal, and it is certainly not illegal in Spain.
So you should do the decent thing and apologize to all of those people using Europa and FilmOn, that you have accused of theft! From their posts, that will include many BE members!
So you should do the decent thing and apologize to all of those people using Europa and FilmOn, that you have accused of theft! From their posts, that will include many BE members!
like a little wriggly worm
the first move is always to stop those who are providing the illegal transmissions, leaving those who are illegally watching/listening sitting there because there is a big hole in their sad lives.
the UK asked the ECJ for a decision, which they now have. The UK (and other countries of the EU) can, if they so desire go against the ruling but that is exceedingly unlikely. So a post has been put into the ground within the EU.
I have nothing to apologise for, the internet broadcaster is stealing and people are paying him money in the hope that his theft doesn't filter down to them for handling stolen property. Which is unlikely.
Then there are those who find they cannot access a television station's online output because there is geo-blocking being used to prevent them. They use a piece of software or a server in the UK to hide their true location and steal what the originator of the transmission doesnt want them to have.
I really cannot keep playing with semantics. All those who take part are just like those who keep a Sky account in the UK whilst taking UK programming in Spain, Italy, France etc. They are deceiving the owner of the content, so there is Deception, Theft and Handling Stolen Property.
It would be really nice if someone decided to carry out a reversal of the normal class action and take to court a couple of hundred just to make a point and put a post in the ground. But it won't happen, they will just sit there with a hole in their sad lives.
As I said earlier, the use of VPN's, IP changers etc, doesn't just get used for Corrie or EE. It is used by people for other nefarious purposes in a vain effort to hide who and where they are, thinking no one has the details. But every entry to the system is logged and every hop is also logged until reaching the eventual destination. These privacy things are anything but.
so have a nice day now, so sad that you can't live without UK tv and breaking the law.
Mar 12th 2013 | 3:04 am
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
5. Any person who ...........
(b).....................
(i) uses any wireless telegraphy apparatus with intent to obtain information
as to the contents, sender or addressee of any message (whether sent by means of wireless telegraphy or not) which neither the person using the apparatus nor any person on whose behalf he is acting is authorised by the Postmaster General to receive; or
(ii) except in the course of legal proceedings or for the purpose of any report
thereof, discloses any information as to the contents, sender or addressee of
any such message, being information which would not have come to his
knowledge but for the use of wireless telegraphy apparatus by him or by
another person, shall be guilty of an offence under this Act.
(b).....................
(i) uses any wireless telegraphy apparatus with intent to obtain information
as to the contents, sender or addressee of any message (whether sent by means of wireless telegraphy or not) which neither the person using the apparatus nor any person on whose behalf he is acting is authorised by the Postmaster General to receive; or
(ii) except in the course of legal proceedings or for the purpose of any report
thereof, discloses any information as to the contents, sender or addressee of
any such message, being information which would not have come to his
knowledge but for the use of wireless telegraphy apparatus by him or by
another person, shall be guilty of an offence under this Act.
So it was an offence to listen to any emergency services transmissions, this only came about by accident when receivers were built that could tune into their frequency band and after WWII the second hand market was flooded with ex-military equipment. I know as I had some of it.
However, unless an individual was actually caught and then found taking action on the transmissions a prosecution was not an easy matter, bearing in mind the burden of proof and the cost of prosecution.
It was always easy to de-tune a receiver to give excellent coverage, until they went digital, except you had to have very fine tuning as their radios were crystal controlled and highly accurate in a narrow band.
This is just like being a fresher back at the Signal School learning about RF Theory, Propogation and Wireless Telegraphy law.
Mar 12th 2013 | 3:26 am
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Of course the offence was almost impossible to enforce unless someone arrived at a police incident and admitted they had just heard it on the police network.
When some criminals carried scanners, upon arrest if the scanner was tuned in to a police frequency then that was sufficient to attempt a prosecution and confiscate the scanner.
Mar 12th 2013 | 3:28 am
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round and round and round and round
like a little wriggly worm
the first move is always to stop those who are providing the illegal transmissions, leaving those who are illegally watching/listening sitting there because there is a big hole in their sad lives.
the UK asked the ECJ for a decision, which they now have. The UK (and other countries of the EU) can, if they so desire go against the ruling but that is exceedingly unlikely. So a post has been put into the ground within the EU.
I have nothing to apologise for, the internet broadcaster is stealing and people are paying him money in the hope that his theft doesn't filter down to them for handling stolen property. Which is unlikely.
Then there are those who find they cannot access a television station's online output because there is geo-blocking being used to prevent them. They use a piece of software or a server in the UK to hide their true location and steal what the originator of the transmission doesnt want them to have.
I really cannot keep playing with semantics. All those who take part are just like those who keep a Sky account in the UK whilst taking UK programming in Spain, Italy, France etc. They are deceiving the owner of the content, so there is Deception, Theft and Handling Stolen Property.
It would be really nice if someone decided to carry out a reversal of the normal class action and take to court a couple of hundred just to make a point and put a post in the ground. But it won't happen, they will just sit there with a hole in their sad lives.
As I said earlier, the use of VPN's, IP changers etc, doesn't just get used for Corrie or EE. It is used by people for other nefarious purposes in a vain effort to hide who and where they are, thinking no one has the details. But every entry to the system is logged and every hop is also logged until reaching the eventual destination. These privacy things are anything but.
so have a nice day now, so sad that you can't live without UK tv and breaking the law.
like a little wriggly worm
the first move is always to stop those who are providing the illegal transmissions, leaving those who are illegally watching/listening sitting there because there is a big hole in their sad lives.
the UK asked the ECJ for a decision, which they now have. The UK (and other countries of the EU) can, if they so desire go against the ruling but that is exceedingly unlikely. So a post has been put into the ground within the EU.
I have nothing to apologise for, the internet broadcaster is stealing and people are paying him money in the hope that his theft doesn't filter down to them for handling stolen property. Which is unlikely.
Then there are those who find they cannot access a television station's online output because there is geo-blocking being used to prevent them. They use a piece of software or a server in the UK to hide their true location and steal what the originator of the transmission doesnt want them to have.
I really cannot keep playing with semantics. All those who take part are just like those who keep a Sky account in the UK whilst taking UK programming in Spain, Italy, France etc. They are deceiving the owner of the content, so there is Deception, Theft and Handling Stolen Property.
It would be really nice if someone decided to carry out a reversal of the normal class action and take to court a couple of hundred just to make a point and put a post in the ground. But it won't happen, they will just sit there with a hole in their sad lives.
As I said earlier, the use of VPN's, IP changers etc, doesn't just get used for Corrie or EE. It is used by people for other nefarious purposes in a vain effort to hide who and where they are, thinking no one has the details. But every entry to the system is logged and every hop is also logged until reaching the eventual destination. These privacy things are anything but.
so have a nice day now, so sad that you can't live without UK tv and breaking the law.
Also neither Europa or FilmOn charge for their TV services!
As a customer of Europa (before their TV service), I can tell you that there was no increase in price when the service started. So it is in effect free!
The Motorola set top box was introduced in the last year, so that people who wanted the computer in a different room to the TV, could still receive their free TV service. They don't have to have it, they can just plug their computer into the TV.
FilmOn SD TV is also free.
So you see, no one is paying for it and you are wrong again!
