ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
Mar 8th 2013, 4:16 pm
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
For a start FilmOn don't charge me or anyone else for their SD service!!
Yes it is an American company, and as such is outside of the jurisdiction of the ECJ, so is not likely to disappear. They are filling a gap in the telecommunication business by providing programs that are all easily accessed without the need of a bogus IP address.
As you have seen in other posts, people are prepared to pay the BBC & commercial companies to receive UK television, but they choose not to go down that route. It's called "Cutting off your nose to spite your face" and as far as I'm concerned, they get no sympathy from me!
It seems strange to me, that the commercial TV companies, who receive no monies from their TV audiences (so what is the difference between them and the internet streamer?), don't jump at the chance to advertise their clients products across the European continent!!!
Also, do you know that the Spanish TV companies that you support, are paying for the English speaking programs that they broadcast. If they don't, I hope that you will not continue to watch them.
In fact as a man of principal, I think you should not watch them until you have verified that they do pay!!!
Yes it is an American company, and as such is outside of the jurisdiction of the ECJ, so is not likely to disappear. They are filling a gap in the telecommunication business by providing programs that are all easily accessed without the need of a bogus IP address.
As you have seen in other posts, people are prepared to pay the BBC & commercial companies to receive UK television, but they choose not to go down that route. It's called "Cutting off your nose to spite your face" and as far as I'm concerned, they get no sympathy from me!
It seems strange to me, that the commercial TV companies, who receive no monies from their TV audiences (so what is the difference between them and the internet streamer?), don't jump at the chance to advertise their clients products across the European continent!!!
Also, do you know that the Spanish TV companies that you support, are paying for the English speaking programs that they broadcast. If they don't, I hope that you will not continue to watch them.
In fact as a man of principal, I think you should not watch them until you have verified that they do pay!!!
Mar 8th 2013, 6:08 pm
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Also, do you know that the Spanish TV companies that you support, are paying for the English speaking programs that they broadcast. If they don't, I hope that you will not continue to watch them.
In fact as a man of principal, I think you should not watch them until you have verified that they do pay!!!
In fact as a man of principal, I think you should not watch them until you have verified that they do pay!!!
Mar 8th 2013, 7:32 pm
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
[QUOTE=Fredbargate;10592510]Only time will answer that one
The BBC is funded by the licence fee paying public, and therefore should be geo-protected.
Commercial TV companies are funded by the advertisers only. They want as many people to see their adverts as possible, the UK viewer pays nothing.
So what is the difference between the UK viewer (paying nothing) and the expat watching on the internet paying nothing -NOTHING!
The BBC is funded by the licence fee paying public, and therefore should be geo-protected.
Commercial TV companies are funded by the advertisers only. They want as many people to see their adverts as possible, the UK viewer pays nothing.
So what is the difference between the UK viewer (paying nothing) and the expat watching on the internet paying nothing -NOTHING!
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Mar 8th 2013, 7:51 pm
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great irony as I'm not there. The issue seemed to fix itself so I fthought it was the spotty faced tech intern who got the job of uploading content who didn't really know what he/she was doing.I think from a commercial TV stations point of view it is greed and control that drive the attempt to block out of country users. After all as someone else already pointed out - isn't the object of ITV to get your message out to the max number of users for your client base = advertisers? Clearly this is the dinosaur mentality and eventually they will go the way of those advertizing ( I'm doing the z and zs thing on purpose before the grammar nazi's chime in) companies and newspapers who refused to think just a little laterally!
Linking IP's to individual postcodes would I think be a mammoth task beyond the scope of ITV's IT department and certainly not a cost effective exercise. It would confirm my ..mines bigger than yours theory though!
Mar 8th 2013, 8:05 pm
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The UK viewer will be spending their money in UK, so it obviously makes sense to target them, rather than a handful of expats scattered around the globe who will be spending their dosh in Spain, Thailand or wherever. For anyone that cannot face life without ITV, they need to get out more!!
Mar 8th 2013, 9:57 pm
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The UK viewer will be spending their money in UK, so it obviously makes sense to target them, rather than a handful of expats scattered around the globe who will be spending their dosh in Spain, Thailand or wherever. For anyone that cannot face life without ITV, they need to get out more!!
The advertisers in the UK may limit their advertising to a certain area, because it will cost them extra to advertise in another one.
For example, London beers will be advertised in the ITV area covering London, but the company will not pay extra for advertising it in the Midlands area because nobody there will drink the muck.
Mar 9th 2013, 3:21 am
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For anyone who's complaining of an anual fee for an IP program, or whatever euros per month, is this still not far cheaper than what you USED to pay for your TV license in the UK ? DOH.
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Mar 9th 2013, 5:30 am
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The UK viewer will be spending their money in UK, so it obviously makes sense to target them, rather than a handful of expats scattered around the globe who will be spending their dosh in Spain, Thailand or wherever. For anyone that cannot face life without ITV, they need to get out more!!
They have gone to a lot of trouble and spent valuable time and money on lawyers to do this...WHY?
As to "a handful of expats scattered around the globe", I don't think that you can call 5.5 million, a handful!. One estimate puts 800,000 in Spain!!!
I've just spent ten weeks in Australia, and all of the supermarkets are selling English foodstuff, and yes you can watch UK internet TV down there, Expat Shield and FilmOn, work just fine! Which again, shows the futility of the legal action!!
I think you should stay in more and get your facts right!!!
Mar 9th 2013, 7:06 am
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The people who produce the programs are paid relative to the programs ratings. I don't think internet users are part of those ratings as yet.
So that brings in the area of interllectual property.
Mar 9th 2013, 8:12 am
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However the secondhand car garage in X town or the Payday loan in Y town are unlikely to see any advantage and these local businesses make up a large percentage of advertisers.
The people who produce the programs are paid relative to the programs ratings. I don't think internet users are part of those ratings as yet.
So that brings in the area of interllectual property.
The people who produce the programs are paid relative to the programs ratings. I don't think internet users are part of those ratings as yet.
So that brings in the area of interllectual property.
I wonder if they are aware of the size of the market that will now (because of the commercial TV action) be closed to them. In fact I wonder if they are aware of that market at all!
Mar 9th 2013, 8:50 am
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I hugely prefer satellite over internet TV - anytime. When you have the right kit, it works very very well - and the quality is a good as you can get - without all the techno mumbo-jumbo you have to go through to get lesser quality via internet.
I just found an Android-based Sat receiver at a local shop - and cheap, too. Supposedly combines HD satellite reception with all the stuff you get with Android TV. Anyone had any experience with these?
By the way, hubby bought an Android TV box for €69. All I can say is so far is that it's brilliant. Really amazing little box for €69.
I just found an Android-based Sat receiver at a local shop - and cheap, too. Supposedly combines HD satellite reception with all the stuff you get with Android TV. Anyone had any experience with these?
By the way, hubby bought an Android TV box for €69. All I can say is so far is that it's brilliant. Really amazing little box for €69.
Then if you want to watch even an hour a day you will probably need an unlimited package, which is the most expensive. And second home owners who aren't there every day - will be paying the most expensive internet package for the months they are not there - for nothing...
A 15GB package gives you 15 mins a day approx.... if I got my mats right in the earlier post
If you have an unlimited internet package already, or if you are not interested in UKTV then its not such an issue.
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Mar 9th 2013, 9:41 am
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Totally agree, but it galls me that we may have no choice to use internet for UKTV once the sats go down.
Then if you want to watch even an hour a day you will probably need an unlimited package, which is the most expensive. And second home owners who aren't there every day - will be paying the most expensive internet package for the months they are not there - for nothing...
A 15GB package gives you 15 mins a day approx.... if I got my mats right in the earlier post
If you have an unlimited internet package already, or if you are not interested in UKTV then its not such an issue.
Jon
Then if you want to watch even an hour a day you will probably need an unlimited package, which is the most expensive. And second home owners who aren't there every day - will be paying the most expensive internet package for the months they are not there - for nothing...
A 15GB package gives you 15 mins a day approx.... if I got my mats right in the earlier post
If you have an unlimited internet package already, or if you are not interested in UKTV then its not such an issue.
Jon
While on the subject of HD, Netflix has just gone HD this year. I love it
Another thought,
While in Oz recently, I had a download speed of 115 MB, but downloading to BBC iPlayer desktop it loaded at a max of 5 MB. So anything much faster than 10MB isn't worth having apart from maybe business use.
Back on topic. I'm very confident that FilmOn will stay, so no need to panic. It will be up to the UK companies to put a block on at their end
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Mar 9th 2013, 11:17 am
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Hi
I believe that the BBC, ITV, Channels 4 & 5 will "sell" their programs to a Spanish Internet / TV company (Like GOL) who will have "pay per view".
This then allows the Spanish company to broadcast via terrestial or via the internet and receive the necessary monies to pay the originating companies. I believe that European law allows this?
Davexf
I believe that the BBC, ITV, Channels 4 & 5 will "sell" their programs to a Spanish Internet / TV company (Like GOL) who will have "pay per view".
This then allows the Spanish company to broadcast via terrestial or via the internet and receive the necessary monies to pay the originating companies. I believe that European law allows this?
Davexf
Mar 9th 2013, 11:39 am
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
Hi
I believe that the BBC, ITV, Channels 4 & 5 will "sell" their programs to a Spanish Internet / TV company (Like GOL) who will have "pay per view".
This then allows the Spanish company to broadcast via terrestial or via the internet and receive the necessary monies to pay the originating companies. I believe that European law allows this?
Davexf
I believe that the BBC, ITV, Channels 4 & 5 will "sell" their programs to a Spanish Internet / TV company (Like GOL) who will have "pay per view".
This then allows the Spanish company to broadcast via terrestial or via the internet and receive the necessary monies to pay the originating companies. I believe that European law allows this?
Davexf
Mar 9th 2013, 11:52 am
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Re: ECJ DECLARE STREAMING BBC/ITV ILLEGAL
The UK viewer will be spending their money in UK, so it obviously makes sense to target them, rather than a handful of expats scattered around the globe who will be spending their dosh in Spain, Thailand or wherever. For anyone that cannot face life without ITV, they need to get out more!!