Don't think any do - as the articles say ukcatchup do not, and I am sure filmon do not, and I am sure none of the "telecos" do either...

But then, although it mentions website streaming, I wonder if this ruling also includes IPTV services....
and what about all the services that use these - like apple tv and xbmc...
and will it mean that VPNs will be watched and blocked....?

Always like that one popular "uk tv by internet" say they "pay copyright fees to the two relevant organisations in Spain, one for audio content and the other for visual content – SGAE and EGEDA." - which has always confused me as to why they are paying Spanish organisations for "copyright content", yet not UK broadcasters and organisations....

Cardsharing is already illegal - fraudulently obtaining pay TV without the correct subscription and provider permission.
But I don't think that is covered in this ruling, as CS is not streaming content...

The way I read it, is it's only retransmission that the ruling applies to.
To block private browsing is something completely different, and I think full of pitfalls. Human Rights for example!
The Yanks have been trying to scupper FilmOn for some time now without any luck. Alki David, the 'Bad Boy' billionare owner has some fantastic lawyers!

no its subject to the DIGITAL MILLENNIUM COPYRIGHT ACT an act of congress
which is based on the WTO agreement on copyright as is the EU directive that ITV have just won .... you can run but you cant hide your website....

well he was forced by COURT ACTION under the DMCA to STOP showing all US channels a while back now (not much of a victory for him ) and now the EU ruling i see
the UK PSBs going soon..

it a very simple (and correct ) rulling if it dont belong to you ,you need to ask the owner before you can use it ..

AND europa/direct telcom all the IPTV box boys ....fail to comply it 10 YEARS in prison and an UNLIMITED fine

IF YOU GO TO BBC/ITV website and watch it its legal ...getting it from a now ILLEGAL REBROADCASTER aint
its not there to stop you its there to stop and i quote ´PROFIT MAKING COMPANIES´ taking money off of you and putting it in their pockets
not the pockets of the authors ´of the copywrite works (BBC/ITV)
and the ´we are not charging for the content - its free´was thrown out as the companies were in the commerical market ,so getting a
free gift from you local petrol station dont make it the red cross in law ...

We will have to see, but it will be up to the owners of the TV broadcast to detect that you are in the UK, as ITV Player are now doing by requesting your PO box number, which will need to match your IP address.
We had better hope that FilmOn continues, or else it's hello to all of those wonderful Spanish programs!

Good Night

Please enlighten us all, where is this a breach in Human Rights

It isnt private browsing that is the problem it is the making available of stolen content

As you listen to the radio the station is updating its playlist and preparing a cheque to the PRS for the "performance"

When did any streamer pay for the performance ?? They only exist to make money, not share it with others.

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There is a discussion on the Ayamonte Club 'sub-forum' about some of this.

Well, as a result of the chat, I bought the cheapest SLINGBOX SD (not HD) from Amazon. I did this as I didn't want to use up internet bandwidth up on HD usage, and I watch a lot of SD TV anyway - and its fine (and cheaper!). If you want better quality then there is a pro-HD version for more. You need a set top box controlled by a remote back in your country of choice, eg UKTV on a Humax or Sky box ( or the plethora of others)

I am traveling out of country at the moment and have access to a HDMI flat/big screen TV. I've watched several pre-recorded programmes, and watched live TV, I've recorded others - it all works fine from afar and really does replicate being physically at home.

You get full control of your set top box, as if we were at home: Then seeing the picture streamed real-time on your PC afar (and thus via HDMI on our TV). We did this to have Belgian/French TV so we have a specific requirement...but of course it will work in the UK or anywhere. Pretty neat I have a 'virtual remote' picture on the PC screen that looks exactly like our physical remote at home, I click the virtual buttons with the mouse and it beams to and operates the settop box at home and squirts the video signal to the PC via internet. I can also record and watch recordings just as if I was at home... neat! All you have to do is place an emitter next to where the remote signal is picked up on the set-top box sensor, and select from a list to get your remote on the PC. The slingbox effectively replicates the signals sent from your physical remote. You have to select your set top box to get the right virtual remote. We had to get tech support to make up ours, I sent a photo to them and they programmed all the buttons. Now all Belgacom customers in Belgium have the virtual remote as well. I'm sure that most UK boxes will be already covered (they have 10,000 remotes already programmed in, they say). It's a target market for them, I'm sure and more important than lil 'ol Belgium! If its on the list you can be connected and up and running in around 15 mins, one off installation and easy.

The quality is fine - not ultra sharp - the connection time very quick - and I have to say I am delighted with this little box... and what it allows me to do.

If sites like filmon go down - OR start charging for SD TV (why not, they have a charging model already built in for HDTV, and with sats down or limited = less competition).. then I will see if I can get a UK friend to set up a Humax (or other) set-top box for me at his house and connect to that on another slingbox. I see that as being a drastic solution that hopefully I wont need for years for UKTV.

The problem with all this is the internet connection will need to be unlimited - or virtually if you enjoy watching TV and that is new costs = expensive!!

If my maths is right..... and this applies to all downloading/streaming TV i.e slingbox/film-on or others.....

SD uses 600KB/s (according to my box): = 6MB for 10S: =6GB for 10,000s = 2 hrs 45 min (approx). Thats about 5/6mins a day roughly per month for SIX GB on SD transmission.

If you have 15GB a month then that's only about 16 mins a day.

So it looks like unlimited will be needed...

Then there's the whole discussion of non-residents who want to watch TV who aren't there all the time... and DON'T want to pay for a unlimited monthly contract (the most expensive one), for all those months their second homes are empty.. and you are paying for nothing

Jon

PS Hopefully this doesn't count as stealing copyright and is OK!! TV licences + subscriptions will have been paid in the local country - and as the slingbox controls the set-top box, you cant really have someone at home watching something else.. (i.e single usage, what you paid for) In fact annoy the partner when he/she is watching the TV, back at the home location, nip into another room and operate the slingbox = operating the channel selection and change the programme. They wont understand it Or dont annoy your partner and live in peace ! It would only work once anyway before they suss it!

I suspect that this solution will at least last several years before anybody tries legal action.

Restriction of ones use of secure browsing, would be an infringement of rights.
So Expat Shield and the like should not be affected.
As for people stealing, Get Real! corruption is rife in this world. The meek won't inherit the earth, they will just get trampled underfoot. It isn't right but that's the way it is. Greed Reigns!!!
I take it that you watch UK TV programs? and without a guilty conscience.

Get Real you say !!
Think it is you that should Get Real !!

Where can Human Rights be used because someone wants to restrict you from getting your grubby mitts on their property ??

Products like expatshield are actually part of the thieves toolkit, where you want the rights to trawl for what you want with anonymity, to break in through the back door without leaving your fingerprints.

And NO, I DO NOT WATCH UK TV PROGRAMS, AS I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES ON THIS FORUM - I ONLY WATCH SPANISH TERRESTIAL.

All of the broadcasters have nothing to lose from increasing their viewer base - wherever it is.

I have to believe this has more to do with agreements with content owners (movie studios, etc.) and advertisers requiring them to make every effort to ensure that the content they are licenced to broadcast is contained to the audience their licence resticts them to.

Without support of the content owners, they'll have a difficult time competing with those who get the content people want to watch.

Just a small point, but there is no such thing as Spanish terrestrial, they turned the analogue signal off years ago, so you must have a digital signal

We have a free digital package with around 80 channels. At least half the programmes are actually American with series such as Modern Family, 2.5 men, Simpons, CSI, Bones etc and we choose to watch these in English. Most TVs give you that option now

I'm firmly in the opinion that all TV is rubbish so I dont miss UK TV at all, the OH has BBC iPlayer on her iPad though and watches maybe 1 programme a week

Yes there is. It has nothing to do with whether it is analogue or digital.

Terrestrial TV is TV without satellite or cable using radio waves from terrestrial transmitters to terrestrial antennas at the user.

Oh dear, you think I have made a mistake after over 50years involvement in telecoms............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_television

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital...ial_television

One of the prime movers of the jump from analog to digital transmissions was that the latter uses less bandwidth, this frees up space for more transmitters in the same band. But if you can fit more providers into a smaller bandwith then you will have space left over to sell to other services providers - such as mobile phones etc. There is big money in bandwidth.

Generally, the reduction in transmission bandwidth requires more accurate pointing of the aerial, hence the reason some people get pixelating on signals that used to be perfect.

Should I go back to providing lectures on RF propagation as well ??

So, sorry Cman