Originally Posted by anonimouse

and all because SPOUTER doesn't believe a fellow poster

Originally Posted by JLFS

Inever said I did not believe, Ijust said that is sounds like the village idiot is everybody.......all simpletons together, talking about a country none of them live in......everyday......where every day is groundhog day........

Originally Posted by whitelinen

My Spanish friends and neighbours are not heavily into after dinner chat.

Whether at their house or mine life carries on as normal with everyone mucking in doing something be it preparing food or whatever, they never seem to stay still for long and certainly not long enough to go on a forum day in day out and pour forth bilge on the ins and outs of a ducks arse as happens here.

When the topic of Le crisis surfaces they are pragmatic, none know the answer, none knows what the future will bring but by christ we all know what we are all going to say to the Alcalde or the president of our Urb next time we see them about things that affect our daily lives that at least we can try and do something about.

Nobody brags about buying tuppence worth of veg from a shite shop or pays 60 euros a year IBI or 800 a year UK council tax........... its almost embarrassing really to read it.

I have never experienced this constant bleating on about the same old same old in real life as on here anywhere in any country that I have lived in. I have looked on the other forums here and cant see it there either. As for having the front to tell total strangers to rent not buy based on fatuous patronising little nuggets of non-wisdom, I honestly do not think that you realise how ridiculous that is.

Originally Posted by Domino

well said, but it has now become a right of passage to many in our society to have been in prison, done the time.
you realise that the fluffy bunny brigade would go loopy at the thought of life without parole, of time inside without television, access to the internet, education far superior to that the kids of the people they kill could ever hope for now.

perhaps we could find them an island to put them on ??

Originally Posted by JLFS

And your new name is gilipollas........full of gilipolleces........

Originally Posted by Lynn R

Perhaps those of you who complacently assume that this type of crime is confined to gang members attacking each other should take a bit more notice.

Originally Posted by rugbymatt

Its times like this I absolutely love this forum.... carry on folks.

Originally Posted by agoreira

Certainly it was very hard, but most of them would have had jobs after the war and they managed to buy somewhere to live, it's a very different story for Spanish youths of today, they are living through a very different hardship, let's hope they can survive. Witness nine young Spanish sharing a house in UK in a desperate effort to get a job and improve themselves, they've given up on Spain. They compare themselves to the patera people doing the same thing in Spain, read the comments following the article.
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/1...324639350.html

Originally Posted by JLFS

Me too..............

Originally Posted by Lynn R

I saw the same comparison with the patera people made in an exhibition on the subject of immigration in the foyer of our Ayuntamiento a few months ago. That showed photographs and old articles about a boat load of Spanish emigrants in the 1950s from around our town (over 100 of them) who had been washed up in a Latin American country - I think it was Venezuela but my memory may not be too reliable there) and how well they had been treated by the local people. It surprised me as I didn't know there had been Spanish "boat people", although I had heard plenty of stories from local people about their parents travelling to other European countries to find work.

What's happening now is the same all over again for the young people (and a lot of British people did similar things in the 1980s). I admire their resilience and hope their efforts will be rewarded eventually.

Originally Posted by JLFS

This should be compulsory reading for British expats who are thinking of making Spain their permanent home and bringing school age children with them.......if the native Spanish young feel there is not future here, then the "incomers" who can never reach the same level in language/education due to being a bit too old, will have even less of a future.

Originally Posted by agoreira

I'm pleased to say that friends of ours have been an exception, they have owned and been visiting Spain for over 20 years. They moved out about 6 years ago, and their son attends the Real Conservatorio de Música in Granada for his music studies and has just started university there. A busy boy! All his time has been spent with the Spanish, from starting as the only guiri in the town band to where he is now, he has only really known Spanish teachers, Spanish friends etc, so not surprisingly his Spanish is perfect. His parents got him accepted at several UK universities, but he only ever wanted to go to a Spanish one, let's hope he gets a job when he graduates!

Originally Posted by johnnyone

I for one am not complacent and believe all violent crime, whether motiveless or otherwise should be dealt with firmly.
However if you strip out the gang/drug gang related crime that the vast majority of us have no involvement in then I believe the Uk is pretty save place to live and probably safer than Spain.