Thing is though, and I am not saying it is ideal, but there are things like dole and stuff to see them through. Not like here in Spain, if you dont pay in,you dont take out. Hence you have 35 year olds getting pocket money from mum......

Also when people emigrate abroad the idea is to better their future and the future of their children, not put them in a more precarious situation than they would have been at home in their own country. Like a lot of parents do when they move to Spain, condeming them to a life of trabajitos.

Well at least that is why my parents left Spain, and I should think that things would not have changed that much.

I agree with looking for a better living but lets be honest that was generally the case until 3 1/2 years ago when this crisis hit so we just have to get on with it wherever we are . As for dole yes they have (especially labour) pandered to many of these people if you like tried buying down crime rates along with votes. However as i said good and bad in all walks off life. Last year my 24 yr old daughter lost her job she has always tried to work and better her standard of living. I said you wil have to sign on to make sure your stamp is paid for pension etc you are not getting anything you are not entitled to you have paid in. she went and signed on the office is a 20 mile round trip by car (there is no alowance for that). She came home in tears at the way she had been treated and had told them look I don't want to have a kid and claim for life I want a job but want a bit of help getting one and living etc. I was so angry that she had been treated like this that I phoned up the main Dept and explained that as a family we had never previously been in this position and why was she treated so badly young girl agreed and said she would speak with her supervisor about the incident and mentioned given we live in rural area maybe my daughter could sign on by post. She then got back to us to sign on by post you have to live a 2hour journey by public transport from nearest signing on point or get this 6 miles return by foot!!!! Luckily she got a job within weeks and didn't need to go back. The feral scum however seem to know every scam in the world to get as much as they can from the system having put nothing whatsoever into it! Don't even get me started on ivalidity allowance and motability.

Seen a lot of families with kids come (and go) in the 15 years we were there. Some do OK. Many who go to the private schools who go on to University tend to go to UK ones. One I know trained as a Midwife in Spain and now works in Algerciras. The majority of British kids drop out early finish up working in bars and cafes for 4 or 5 euros per hour or don't work at all.

Which parents who had ambitions for their kids would move to Spain (or any other foreign country) and place them in a school without them having even basic language skills! Many are bullied, ignored by the Teachers and cannot rely on their Parents to help out with homework etc. as they do not speak the language. Some do not even know when the schools break up or the return time. Many British parents just use the system as a way to get the kids out of their hair and don't really care how they are doing.

I always feel for kids when people come on here telling us of their plans to move to Spain when they have kids at that awkward school age, most won't have a chance. They cannot be seriously thinking of the kids education or future, it's simply something the adults want to do. It can work, some do OK, but a lot fall by the wayside educationally. Even if they do OK, chances of a good job are thin, just reading that half a million people will leave Spain this year, 10% of the population, and most of those will be well educated youngsters.
España tiene los jóvenes más preparados, peor pagados y más parados de Europa.
Spain has the best educated, worst paid, and most unemployed youngsters in Europe.
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I've seen it so many times where I live and have usually refrained from commentating on this forum because a lot of members have brought children over.

Despite what those people have said, consistently, their children are unlikely to benefit from being brought to Spain. I know it sounds harsh, and I'm not an expert, but I've seen enough evidence to agree with this post.

It's common sense really and has nothing to do with Spain itself. If you bring your children to a foreign country, they will find it hard to adjust. If you had no choice in your decision, fair enough, but if you did, you may well have harmed them unnecessarily, and unwittingly.

I agree wholeheartedly with the previous three posts. I too have held back from saying so on here previously as I know some have children and are in this position. I hope they will be the exception to what I have seen time after time in the last 12 years; mid-late teen Brit kids dropping out of school and having nothing fulfilling to do with their lives. The oft-quoted fact that the kids will have Spanish as a second language doesn't help much unfortunately. Parents should think long and hard before disadvantaging their children so that they can fulfil their own dream

Well you four previous posters should start posting about it then, and maybe eleviate the grief myself and a few others get as doom and gloomers when posting on the subject .

I think that one statement shows why the "evacuation plan" was clearly a load of nonsense.
There again the Conservatives were considering evacuating Liverpool back in 1981, so perhaps they were just digging up old plans and a reporter got the wrong end of the stick?

That's mainly the age I had in mind when I wrote my post, the 12-15 age range would be a definite no goer for me. Friends of ours I wrote about waited for their son to finish primary school, and then it's always a huge shock when they go up the "big school" anyway, even in UK. Plus he'd been holidaying in his parents place since the day he was born, everyone in the village knew him from that age and he already had a good idea of Spanish life and the language. Both his parents spoke Spanish, so not surprisingly he slotted into Spanish life without any problems, but as I said, I think they are more the exception.

that applies in the UK, the parents just go round saying they can't do anything with them, they are out of control etc etc and they end up trashing the kiddies swings etc out of sheer boredom.

in days gone by the kids would be sent to a boarding school whilst Father with Mother in tow would go abroad, on business or working for the government. that sort of option is not usually there nowadays except for those with the proverbial pots of money.

Its hard having to make those decisions, but so many parents before them have not emigrated, not even moved town, due to providing for the kids and ensuring they get an education.

Regrettably too many parents are only that in name but not in deed.

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Yes I would think that parents who pull out their kids from school at a crucial time would probably not be interested in them in the UK either and they would have still been drop outs. I know a couple both with good profitable businesses on the CDS. Their 2 kids were born in Spain and they have both been in school there since they were 4. The eldest is now 15. When we left Spain just over a year ago she was rarely at school and was often seen around with a group of other British kids during term time. I am sure they must have picked up at least some Spanish but when she was 10 her parents were told she needed extra Spanish lessons (at a cost of 50 euro pm.!). This was after being in a Spanish school for 6 years Even just putting a child in a school where they do not know the language sets them back at least a year. This girl cannot even read and write in her own language.

My Parents moved around and we were always sent to British schools. Although they were British there were lots of different nationalities there. The only place we went to a local school was in the USA. When they had to go to Bejing we were sent to board (Employer paid). My Grandson is the same. Born in Spain, went to nursery there and in Paris. 4 years at British school in Netherlands and now at school in the UK.

I agree. responsibility for your own actions is, or at least should be the cornerstone of a good moral upbringing. If we made this the way we taught our children...and each other by the way we impose laws etc. the world would be a better place. This may sound sanctimonious but I'd like to say that I'm not religious and "god made me do it" is just as bad to my mind as " it's not my fault I live in a deprived area". and "I'm a troubled rock star/model/actor, we all do it". I brought my kids up (properly) in a deprived area...as a single parent and with very little money. It can be done. Sure, we need to support people with problems but we need to teach right from wrong at every level including parenting classes (basic psychology) from an early age.

Hope for the best but prepare for the worst! The rest is stupidity.

Jim

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Jim