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tommy.irene Jan 17th 2012 5:23 am

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anonimouse Jan 17th 2012 5:34 am

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I just hope that if I am ever on a cruise (which I won't be ) that some of you lot (experts) are aboard with me should the worse happen:p

Fredbargate Jan 17th 2012 6:01 am

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Originally Posted by anonimouse (Post 9848320)
I just hope that if I am ever on a cruise (which I won't be ) that some of you lot (experts) are aboard with me should the worse happen:p

Are you offering to pay ???

Dick Dasterdly Jan 17th 2012 9:36 am

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Originally Posted by anonimouse (Post 9848320)
I just hope that if I am ever on a cruise (which I won't be ) that some of you lot (experts) are aboard with me should the worse happen:p

Somehow I think the so called "experts" might just take a leaf out of the Captains book and leave you to deal with it yourself. :sneaky:

Probably leave you with Mr Beastie and Mr Saxy for a bit nice company, just in case you get lonely. :rofl:

Rotor Jan 17th 2012 9:46 pm

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Maybe this is what happened ,near wet myself reading it:rofl:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/now-thats-wha...ml#post1566238

Dick Dasterdly Jan 18th 2012 12:36 am

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Originally Posted by Rotor (Post 9849741)
Maybe this is what happened ,near wet myself reading it:rofl:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/now-thats-wha...ml#post1566238


You could almost wet yourself at this one also if it wasn't so sad.

Anyway spare a thought for the poor Captain who happened to accidently trip and fall into a lifeboat !

Oh dear, how unfortunate. :o


The vid is quite an eye opener as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...life-boat.html

Saxy Jan 18th 2012 4:28 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9850040)
You could almost wet yourself at this one also if it wasn't so sad.

Anyway spare a thought for the poor Captain who happened to accidently trip and fall into a lifeboat !

Oh dear, how unfortunate. :o


The vid is quite an eye opener as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...life-boat.html

I'm suppose you heard the captain say that he tripped and fell into the lifeboat did you Dick?
Just like he was supposed to say, that the boat was going sideways, when the actual translation was that she was listing badly and going over on her side.
The radio transmission between the captain and the loudmouthed coast guard, was edited so that you would not get a true picture of the situation. They made sure that we didn't hear the captains reasons for his actions. Not once do you hear the captains explanation, even though the coastguard asks him for them and then doesn't give him a chance to speak, or was that edited out.
Now in the situation where the ship is on it's side and evacuation of passengers is going on, where do you think would be the best place for the captain to be. On the ship, where he can't supervise the flow and safe transfer of passengers from the slippery sloping hull, to the boat moored alongside (extremely dangerous for the passengers), or control the loading/numbers of people into rescue boats. Perhaps you think he would be better off, uselessly on the ship, away from the action, relying on others to tell him what's happening and not being in charge (hands on) of the safe transfer of passengers. I know where I would want him to be!
I don't know the true facts, but neither does anyone else. We only know what's fed to us by the media. and people who are blinkered and not prepared to think of other possibilities.

Lorna at Vicenza Jan 18th 2012 4:32 am

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Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 9850418)
I'm suppose you heard the captain say that he tripped and fell into the lifeboat did you Dick?
Just like he was supposed to say, that the boat was going sideways, when the actual translation was that she was listing badly and going over on her side.
The radio transmission between the captain and the loudmouthed coast guard, was edited so that you would not get a true picture of the situation. They made sure that we didn't hear the captains reasons for his actions. Not once do you hear the captains explanation, even though the coastguard asks him for them and then doesn't give him a chance to speak, or was that edited out.
Now in the situation where the ship is on it's side and evacuation of passengers is going on, where do you think would be the best place for the captain to be. On the ship, where he can't supervise the flow and safe transfer of passengers from the slippery sloping hull, to the boat moored alongside (extremely dangerous for the passengers), or control the loading/numbers of people into rescue boats. Perhaps you think he would be better off, uselessly on the ship, away from the action, relying on others to tell him what's happening and not being in charge (hands on) of the safe transfer of passengers. I know where I would want him to be!
I don't know the true facts, but neither does anyone else. We only know what's fed to us by the media. and people who are blinkered and not prepared to think of other possibilities.

Whatever anybody thinks and whatever the media publishes - he was not supposed to leave the ship and he did.

anonimouse Jan 18th 2012 4:34 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9848776)
Somehow I think the so called "experts" might just take a leaf out of the Captains book and leave you to deal with it yourself. :sneaky:

Probably leave you with Mr Beastie and Mr Saxy for a bit nice company, just in case you get lonely. :rofl:

Having my own 18 mtr boat I think I would rather deal with it myself, after reading your trollop;)

jackytoo Jan 18th 2012 4:57 am

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At first I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt but I think there is enough evidence now to see what a despicable coward he is. Some transcripts do show the the Captains replies. It is rubbish to think he was better on shore. Also as soon as he landed he caught a taxi to a hotel:ohmy: Any decent leader would have been there to see his crew were supposed to be doing what they should. The first mate and the 3rd Officer scarpered with him too.

I think you are defending the indefensible.

Fred James Jan 18th 2012 5:46 am

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It now seems that the person directing the evacuation was a Costa captain from another Costa boat who just happened to be on board!

He has had some serious things to say about the actual captain's behaviour.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...tant-hero.html

Charismatic Jan 18th 2012 10:28 am

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Captain Roberto Bosio, who happened to be on board the Costa Concordia, broke his silence to condemn shamed Mr Schettino, who failed to make the mayday call as his vessel violently listed.

Captain Bosio, 45, who was seen helping dozens of women and children into lifeboats, said: “Only a disgraceful man would have left all those passengers on board. “It was the most horrible experience of my life. A tragedy, a heartache that I will carry with me forever.”

Mr Schettino, has reportedly said the reason he was in a lifeboat while thousands of panic-stricken passengers and crew were trying to evacuate was because he “tripped” and fell into the rescue craft.

Captain Bosio was not working on the Costa Concordia but had boarded the ship to get to his home town of Savona, near Genoa.

He is understood to have coordinated the entire rescue effort, working alongside crew members throughout the night, helping women and children into lifeboats.

See it would be hard to convince me that the captain, second and third officer all tripped and fell into the same lifeboat :huh:.

Dick Dasterdly Jan 18th 2012 10:34 am

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I just wonder if Saxy has ever heard the expression "Bang to rights" ?


I think the captain would do both himself and his now suffering family a great big favour by simply owning up to being a complete and total R-sole.

Also surely it would be much better for all concerned incl. himself if he was kept behind bars for now.
There's a lot of pretty angry ppl. out there and being granted house arrest with the paparazzi already camped on his doorstep is a bit rough on his family to say the least, with his wife already being given a particularly hard time of it.

Having looked on google earth, as Fred suggested, at the rocky outcrop where the drama first began I find it even more incomprehensible than ever.

It doesn't need a navigation chart to say beware !!!
Those rocks visibly scream out to be avoided like the plague, by as wide a margin as possible by any sort of vessel, let alone a 20,000 ton showboater with more than 4000 souls on board.

From that first disastrous error on his "ferrari type joyride" it appears that he completely lost the plot and was no longer even capable of coherent thought.

It seems that he initially tried to sail straight on for half an hour in almost total denial.
He must surely have been aware by then from down below that the ship was in serious trouble.

Yet amazingly he sailed on straight past the harbour entrance, before eventually attempting a last ditch 180 degree turn to try and ground the ship back near the harbour.

The harbour may not have been completely adequate for a ship of that size but surely it would have been a much safer option and quite possibly avoided unnecessary loss of life.

As for his astounding final performance after grounding, either the man was a total coward or in such a state of shock he obviously couldn't even think straight.

Dick Dasterdly Jan 18th 2012 1:26 pm

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With apologies for the tonnage error, 114,500 apparently.
More than 2 Titanics !!! :blink:

Saxy Jan 18th 2012 6:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9851185)
I just wonder if Saxy has ever heard the expression "Bang to rights" ?


I think the captain would do both himself and his now suffering family a great big favour by simply owning up to being a complete and total R-sole.

Also surely it would be much better for all concerned incl. himself if he was kept behind bars for now.
There's a lot of pretty angry ppl. out there and being granted house arrest with the paparazzi already camped on his doorstep is a bit rough on his family to say the least, with his wife already being given a particularly hard time of it.

Having looked on google earth, as Fred suggested, at the rocky outcrop where the drama first began I find it even more incomprehensible than ever.

It doesn't need a navigation chart to say beware !!!
Those rocks visibly scream out to be avoided like the plague, by as wide a margin as possible by any sort of vessel, let alone a 20,000 ton showboater with more than 4000 souls on board.

From that first disastrous error on his "ferrari type joyride" it appears that he completely lost the plot and was no longer even capable of coherent thought.

It seems that he initially tried to sail straight on for half an hour in almost total denial.
He must surely have been aware by then from down below that the ship was in serious trouble.

Yet amazingly he sailed on straight past the harbour entrance, before eventually attempting a last ditch 180 degree turn to try and ground the ship back near the harbour.

The harbour may not have been completely adequate for a ship of that size but surely it would have been a much safer option and quite possibly avoided unnecessary loss of life.

As for his astounding final performance after grounding, either the man was a total coward or in such a state of shock he obviously couldn't even think straight.

I still maintain the mans right to a fair trial and as I said before despite what the papers and media say, "He is innocent until proven guilty".
You barrack room lawyers apparently don't believe in that principle. Well I hope that you and your families never need it!


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