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Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 9843094)
Courses can vary slightly from time to time. .
It's virtually a straight line from Civitaveccia to Savona - you just choose which side of the islands you go. What you don't do is hit one of them! The experience you had in the Channel is far more likely to be due to the tidal flow at the time. In the channel between France and Ushant the tide can run at over 6 knots and that can be a big fuel/time saver. Conversely if the tide is against you you would opt to go outside the islands. There were no tidal influences off the Italian coast. |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
The Captain was just shown on TV claiming that the rocks shown on his chart were 150 mtrs offshore and his ship was 300mtrs offshore.
Even if his figures are correct, which now seems very doubtful, that seems an unnecessarily fine margin of clearance for a ship of that size travelling at cruising speed. |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
On the basis of that statement he must have hit the Le Schole rocks just south of the entrance to the little harbour.
If you look at them on Google Earth they stretch out for 300m. Other reports from the locals say that normally the large ships go to the west of the Island and he hit the east side. If he was going east of the island he should have been 4 miles offshore. There's a chart here:- http://mapserver.mytopo.com/bp/mapse...tlontype=DD.DD |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
There were two cases in the 1970's if my memory is correct of ships hitting unchartered submerged rocks in well frequented ports.
One being La Coruna and the other one in the Indian Ocean possibly Diego Garcia. In both these case the rocks were in the fairway to these ports but despite numerous ship movements over many years they had remained undetected and unchartered. |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
(Post 9843342)
There were two cases in the 1970's if my memory is correct of ships hitting unchartered submerged rocks in well frequented ports.
One being La Coruna and the other one in the Indian Ocean possibly Diego Garcia. In both these case the rocks were in the fairway to these ports but despite numerous ship movements over many years they had remained undetected and unchartered. The average depth in that area - assuming you keep on course is over 100m - more than twice the depth of the English Channel. |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by Hino
(Post 9842486)
Perhaps taking a 'shortcut' to reduce fuel consumption ? Perhaps sheltering in the Lee of the island because of bad weather ? Perhaps finding somewhere 'safe' and sheltered to spend the night hours before a short 'low speed' run to their destination. There could be many valid reasons why a ship of this size should be so close to shore, especially given the fact that it's a Cruise Ship.
I've seen photo's of the wreck on the BBC news site, these show that the sun loungers had been roped together and secured. Though the initial reports stated that the weather was 'calm', securing loose objects on the weather decks only happens when the ship is expecting foul weather. The Mediterranean in winter is no place for a cruise ship. I did two winters in the 'med' on a cruise ship just a little smaller than the 'Concordia' and it was hell on wheels. Lets just be grateful that the 'damage bill' wasn't greater. |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by jdr
(Post 9843545)
We did the Italy cruise from Malaga two years ago on MSC Fantasia and the sunloungers were stacked and tied down every evening.
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Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by jdr
(Post 9843545)
We did the Italy cruise from Malaga two years ago on MSC Fantasia and the sunloungers were stacked and tied down every evening.
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Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by Fred James
(Post 9843527)
I'm sure that's correct but this ship was on passage and had no intention of docking anywhere on route.
The average depth in that area - assuming you keep on course is over 100m - more than twice the depth of the English Channel. What I can't quite get my head around is the Captains statement that the ship was heading sideways not forwards when it hit the rock. :confused: Another theory which surfaced from local islanders on this evenings news is that the ship is known to deliberately come in as close as possible to shore at that point, so that the members of the crew can salute or wave to friends on the island at that point. |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by Fred James
(Post 9843581)
That's so that the Italians don't steal them!:lol::lol:
Quality goods just where they're needed. Nice little earner, eh what ?:cool: Looking at the latest TV shots there appear to be heaps of loose sunbeds which seemingly weren't tied down. |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Read on a cruise forum that it is an internet myth, probably SKY have been doing some googling. Logically, how many will have come from that Island. The ones lower in the pecking order would not be able to change the ships course anyway.
It's amazing how many "experts" there are on the cruise forum. Lost count of how many ex-officers and other job titles which escape me have theories as to what happened:rofl: I gave up the will to live reading it all and left. Does get posters from around the world so maybe some are genuine. Like this forum I suppose we have to give them the benefit of the doubt:confused: |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
As Fred has said.........
300m from an island with known rocks must be a severe dereliction of duty with a ship of that size. Those in charge should (and will I hope) now face a long stretch behind bars. |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 9843695)
Read on a cruise forum that it is an internet myth, probably SKY have been doing some googling. Logically, how many will have come from that Island. The ones lower in the pecking order would not be able to change the ships course anyway.
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Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
I heard it on SKY that the presenter said the locals had told him, but I read it on the internet this morning. Would the Captain do a detour to please some lowly crew members:confused: That's if there are any from that Island:zzz:
Anyway it just illustrates that if he did do it he is totally unprofessional and he should be indicted. |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 9843783)
I heard it on SKY that the presenter said the locals had told him, but I read it on the internet this morning. Would the Captain do a detour to please some lowly crew members:confused: That's if there are any from that Island:zzz:
Anyway it just illustrates that if he did do it he is totally unprofessional and he should be indicted. Oh sorry forgot, with your experience you must be one of the experts. Now I wonder what sort of professional title would best suit you ? Answers on a postcard please........:rofl:.....;) The ship owners have just gone on record claiming that the Captain was guilty of very bad misjudgement. |
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