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Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
I unlike almost everyone else do not claim to be an expert...that was my point:p All the stuff on the web from pseudo experts sound like a load of crap. So stop twisting what I said. Captain sounds as if he was negligent but I haven't claimed anything, except to state that there are a lot of effing tossers who claim to know everything and take TV news as gospel.
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Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 9843835)
I unlike almost everyone else do not claim to be an expert...that was my point:p All the stuff on the web from pseudo experts sound like a load of crap. So stop twisting what I said. Captain sounds as if he was negligent but I haven't claimed anything, except to state that there are a lot of effing tossers who claim to know everything and take TV news as gospel.
As far as I can see nobody on this site has either claimed to be an expert or know chapter and verse of the whats,whys and wherefores of how it actually happened. No doubt plenty of theories are thrown in the air and discussed, which is as it should be in the true nature of discussion forums. The salute theory may not be so crazy as it sounds bearing in mind the Italian tendancy towards "bravado", better described as plain stupid showing off.:thumbdown:. Also other major shipping disasters have occured in recent years for such crazy reasons as no one in charge of the ship on the bridge, as in one notable incident when the Greek crew were all watching a soccer match on TV when their ferry piled straight into a rock and sank. |
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Well no-one in charge on the bridge does sound feasible...however, I know FA:lol: But it could be they were complacent as they did the route every week. According to a Monique from the Netherlands the Captain was in the bar with a beautiful woman on his arm:rofl:
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Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 9843925)
Well no-one in charge on the bridge does sound feasible...however, I know FA:lol: But it could be they were complacent as they did the route every week. According to a Monique from the Netherlands the Captain was in the bar with a beautiful woman on his arm:rofl:
I expect whoever was at the wheel was good drinking pals with the guy on shore who he was waving at when the ship hit the rocks.;) |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 9843896)
The salute theory may not be so crazy as it sounds bearing in mind the Italian tendancy towards "bravado", better described as plain stupid showing off.:thumbdown:. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/w...cle3287185.ece |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Sorry tried to bring up cartoon of person looking their money back from the Captain
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Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
The story about the ship saluting the Island surfaced on a cruise forum late Saturday. Not read all the posts, there are over 1500 but there is a lot of disagreement on this from people who claim to have been on it, crew, ex-crew, even retired captains:unsure: The media does seem to have picked up some info' from the forum. There are also messages from some journalists asking for info'.
Incredible that more didn't die. Have a look at this ariel video from the coastguard of people climbing down the ship:eek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ6slFRm5Ps |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 9844978)
The story about the ship saluting the Island surfaced on a cruise forum late Saturday. Not read all the posts, there are over 1500 but there is a lot of disagreement on this from people who claim to have been on it, crew, ex-crew, even retired captains:unsure: The media does seem to have picked up some info' from the forum. There are also messages from some journalists asking for info'.
Incredible that more didn't die. Have a look at this ariel video from the coastguard of people climbing down the ship:eek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ6slFRm5Ps I'm wondering why they are doing that - it looks incredibly dangerous. The ship looks stable and safe - it's not going anywhere. I can't see any reason that they don't just wait for someone to come and get them. |
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They wouldn't know how stable it was surely:confused: It could have keeled over at any minute!
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Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 9845013)
They wouldn't know how stable it was surely:confused: It could have keeled over at any minute!
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Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 9845005)
They look like ants!
I'm wondering why they are doing that - it looks incredibly dangerous. The ship looks stable and safe - it's not going anywhere. I can't see any reason that they don't just wait for someone to come and get them. The ship is actually on the move again, slightly in a horizontal direction and a little more so in the vertical. It's only a matter of centimeters at the minute but is of great concern to the rescue crews and also the sea is slightly choppy today. |
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Modern day manufactured and built cruise liners are extremely top heavy, without the huge power pumped to the stabilizing systems they could capsize if you sneezed at them.
I wouldn’t lay all the blame on the captain....The long gone era where the captain went down with his ship or be last off is long past and there are many reasons he could have left when he did. The ship was dead, all modern built vessels are diesel-electric, as the power is supplied by diesel engines as soon as the ship reaches a certain degree of list, they cut off. Whatever battery back up would not run a ship that size for very long. The ensuing chaos in an emergency is indicative when you crew your ships with cheap labour whose papers are signed off from far from reputable agencies. As is the wont of all modern tourist cruisers. It’s a monetary thing! A ship with no power means there is no control over any aspect of a 200 metre vessel, a chaotic situation with no means of communication and a 4,000 odd mass of panicking people.....If he departed the ship to co-ordinate the safe rescue from the shore then he did the right thing! There is no law that states he must remain with the vessel. . |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by The Beast
(Post 9845070)
Modern day manufactured and built cruise liners are extremely top heavy, without the huge power pumped to the stabilizing systems they could capsize if you sneezed at them.
I wouldn’t lay all the blame on the captain....The long gone era where the captain went down with his ship or be last off is long past and there are many reasons he could have left when he did. The ship was dead, all modern built vessels are diesel-electric, as the power is supplied by diesel engines as soon as the ship reaches a certain degree of list, they cut off. Whatever battery back up would not run a ship that size for very long. The ensuing chaos in an emergency is indicative when you crew your ships with cheap labour whose papers are signed off from far from reputable agencies. As is the wont of all modern tourist cruisers. It’s a monetary thing! A ship with no power means there is no control over any aspect of a 200 metre vessel, a chaotic situation with no means of communication and a 4,000 odd mass of panicking people.....If he departed the ship to co-ordinate the safe rescue from the shore then he did the right thing! There is no law that states he must remain with the vessel. . It seems that the Captain could be looking at quite a large dose of porridge. As for him doing the right thing, the same news report states that the Coastguard told him to get his arse back on the ship until it was properly cleared. I agree with you regarding their top heavy appearances. The Pont Aven which does some UK/Spain runs had major issues with instability even in calm seas shortly after coming into service ,as well as suffering major floooding in the engine compartment. Maybe they are too reliant on power being available to pump water around the stabilizing systems to keep them safe ? There are reports of difficulties lowering lifeboats when the ship began keeling over. It surprises me that this procedure is much the same as a century ago and there aren't more up to date fail safe methods of getting passengers clear of a sinking ship, which can only be expected to be in a less than upright position when going down. Surely the huge number of passengers to be organised in an emergency on board these floating towns necessitates improvements in that respect. By the way, Mr Beastie, do you really have to shout all the time ? |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by The Beast
(Post 9845070)
Modern day manufactured and built cruise liners are extremely top heavy, without the huge power pumped to the stabilizing systems they could capsize if you sneezed at them.
I wouldn’t lay all the blame on the captain....The long gone era where the captain went down with his ship or be last off is long past and there are many reasons he could have left when he did. The ship was dead, all modern built vessels are diesel-electric, as the power is supplied by diesel engines as soon as the ship reaches a certain degree of list, they cut off. Whatever battery back up would not run a ship that size for very long. The ensuing chaos in an emergency is indicative when you crew your ships with cheap labour whose papers are signed off from far from reputable agencies. As is the wont of all modern tourist cruisers. It’s a monetary thing! A ship with no power means there is no control over any aspect of a 200 metre vessel, a chaotic situation with no means of communication and a 4,000 odd mass of panicking people.....If he departed the ship to co-ordinate the safe rescue from the shore then he did the right thing! There is no law that states he must remain with the vessel. . To blame the skipper at this time, before a maritime investigation has been concluded, is typical of the worlds media, and we should not be joining in with the witch hunt! It is possible that he might turn out to be a hero. It is good practice when any seagoing vessel is damaged in this way, to beach it, veering off course. The ship could well have hit an uncharted rock, or even a submerged container, there are enough of them floating about! At this stage we don't know. There is undoubted damage to both sides of the vessel. As for the captain drinking in the bar, it's his job to socialize with the passengers. He doesn't have to be on the bridge at all times, other officers are there to keep him informed. It is normal for the course of cruise liners to go close to the coastline, the company want the passengers to see as much as they can, not just look at endless sea. So the captain is accused of leaving the ship. Whose to say that he wasn't taking a boat to inspect the damage? I think that that is a distinct possibility! The owners say he was off course. I wonder, do they need a scapegoat? Until the investigation is complete, let's not sink to the levels of the media, who love to prejudge things! |
Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
Originally Posted by Saxy
(Post 9845254)
I agree with the above!
To blame the skipper at this time, before a maritime investigation has been concluded, is typical of the worlds media, and we should not be joining in with the witch hunt! It is possible that he might turn out to be a hero. It is good practice when any seagoing vessel is damaged in this way, to beach it, veering off course. The ship could well have hit an uncharted rock, or even a submerged container, there are enough of them floating about! At this stage we don't know. There is undoubted damage to both sides of the vessel. As for the captain drinking in the bar, it's his job to socialize with the passengers. He doesn't have to be on the bridge at all times, other officers are there to keep him informed. It is normal for the course of cruise liners to go close to the coastline, the company want the passengers to see as much as they can, not just look at endless sea. So the captain is accused of leaving the ship. Whose to say that he wasn't taking a boat to inspect the damage? I think that that is a distinct possibility! The owners say he was off course. I wonder, do they need a scapegoat? Until the investigation is complete, let's not sink to the levels of the media, who love to prejudge things! According to some ship construction expert on TV, cruise ships are not built to the same standards as ocean going liners such as the Queen Mary. They don't have reinforced strengthened hulls and are therefore very easily ripped open. |
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