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Saxy Jan 26th 2012 5:41 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by shirley and anthony hide (Post 9867014)
His responsibilty is for the safety of his passengers?
Its the coastguards job to co-ordinate the rescue?
Make your mind up mate. Which one is it?

Co-ordinating the rescue, is organizing available agencies to come to the rescue. That is not the captains responsibility.
I would have thought you could have worked that one out.

Saxy Jan 26th 2012 5:44 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by JLFS (Post 9867040)
You are confusing Italian with Spanish DD, it is either il captiano or el capitan, with the accent ofver the a

Why am I not surprised!

Dick Dasterdly Jan 26th 2012 6:06 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by JLFS (Post 9867040)
with the accent ofver the a

...and I'm confused ?

Not much into accents JLFS, ...nor into capitans and captianos come to that.;)

....though I think even I would have put the blonde bimbo to one side for five minutes with that pile of rocks looming up straight ahead.

Fred James Jan 26th 2012 6:09 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 
For those who might be interested, Channel 4 are putting out a documentary about the whole affair on Tuesday next week at 8pm GMT.

OK it's just a media view but hopefully they will pull the story together - it's all a bit fragmented at the moment.

Dick Dasterdly Jan 26th 2012 6:16 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 
What I can't quite figure out is how come other senior officers were already in the same lifeboat that the unfortunate captain happened to trip and fall into ?

Coincidence,....did they all just happen to accidently trip and fall into the same boat ?
Truly amazing !

In such a situation I would have thought they would all have been delegated with different responsibilities at different locations to supervise the evacuation of the ship.

Rats deserting a sinking ship comes to mind,

oh,....plus its passengers as well. :thumbdown:

JLFS Jan 26th 2012 6:21 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9867131)
What I can't quite figure out is how come other senior officers were already in the same lifeboat that the unfortunate captain happened to trip and fall into ?

Coincidence,....did they all just happen to accidently trip and fall into the same boat ?
Truly amazing !

In such a situation I would have thought they would all have been delegated with different responsibilities at different locations to supervise the evacuation of the ship.

Rats deserting a sinking ship comes to mind,

oh,....plus its passengers as well. :thumbdown:

Well as the old saying goes, stranger things have happened at sea, or somethiong like that.

Dick Dasterdly Jan 26th 2012 6:37 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 
Can you believe it, he's been offered another job just to tide him over so to speak !

http://9gag.com/gag/2084518

Saxy Jan 26th 2012 6:44 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9867131)
What I can't quite figure out is how come other senior officers were already in the same lifeboat that the unfortunate captain happened to trip and fall into ?

Coincidence,....did they all just happen to accidently trip and fall into the same boat ?
Truly amazing !

In such a situation I would have thought they would all have been delegated with different responsibilities at different locations to supervise the evacuation of the ship.

Rats deserting a sinking ship comes to mind,

oh,....plus its passengers as well. :thumbdown:

No I can't figure that out either Dick, but I'm surprised that you can't, you know so much about it, I mean you were there weren't you?

Did you ever play that game where you stand six people behind one another, and gave the front one a message to pass back to the sixth one. By the time it got to the back it was nothing like the original message. Hmmm

Sorry can't stay and play, I've got a gig with the band 'Overdrive' at the
Rock Bar Frontera, San Juan, tonight. You're all welcome ;)

shirley and anthony hide Jan 26th 2012 6:46 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 9867049)
Co-ordinating the rescue, is organizing available agencies to come to the rescue. That is not the captains responsibility.
I would have thought you could have worked that one out.

True . They co-ordinate the rescue shoreside and the Captain and his officers organize the disembarkation and rescue onboard.
Which one is missing . Can you work that one out?

shirley and anthony hide Jan 26th 2012 6:53 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 
Did you ever play that game where you stand six people behind one another, and gave the front one a message to pass back to the sixth one. By the time it got to the back it was nothing like the original message. Hmmm



Even more difficult when the passengers are on deck and the Captains in a life boat.

I also take it you won't be taking a leaf out of the Band on the Titanic's book and playing on tonight regardless.

Dick Dasterdly Jan 26th 2012 6:54 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Cemortan.html

A very interesting read, ...though being the dreaded D.M., I'd best leave it for others to pick out the wheat from the chaff.

Not me Guv, honest. :cool:

Domino Jan 26th 2012 7:21 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 9866067)
I still say that the best place for the captain to be in this situation, is down at the lifeboats controlling the safe loading of passengers into the boats, rather than being high up on the ship shouting down and asking questions. That's not being in control!!
I think the coastguard was out of order asking him to go and waste time counting passengers, they knew how many people were on board, and I think it was their duty to know how many had reached shore!

I don't know the true facts and until the enquiry is finished neither does anyone else, but some of you of course, think you do!!!!!!!!

a captain's job is to be in control of the whole of the situation, so his under officers are allocated to particular lifeboat stations to give authority to help, support and calm the passengers. He should be able to contact those officers by ships telephone and assess the situation

If the coastguard told him to count passengers, that is out of order, he should never have done it, that is what the under officers referred to above are there for.
No single person can go round to count 4,000+ passengers and make an accurate count, especially as it is rumoured there were "unlisted" present.

Fredbargate Jan 26th 2012 8:35 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 9866877)
The captain would be able to do very little from the deck of the ship, apart from getting people to form orderly lines. His responsibility is for the safety his passengers. The point of disembarking is at the lifeboats. That's where the danger is, getting from a steep slippery hull into a lifeboat moored alongside and probably transferring to another boat to take them ashore. That's where he can control the numbers coming down and getting into the boats, in an orderly fashion.
For your information, it's the coastguards job to co-ordinate the rescue, not the captains. He has enough on his plate!!

So if the liner had sunk upright instead of being run aground should the captain have placed his lifeboat on the port side to count the passengers disembarking there or on the starboard side to count those passengers?

Domino Jan 26th 2012 5:46 pm

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 9867044)
...and a mistress on board. It's a win/win situation. :D

no wonder his attention was diverted from a bloody big rock that has been there for a millenium or two
he was just plain knackered from all these women
:thumbsup:

Hino Jan 26th 2012 6:09 pm

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 9867251)
a captain's job is to be in control of the whole of the situation, so his under officers are allocated to particular lifeboat stations to give authority to help, support and calm the passengers. He should be able to contact those officers by ships telephone and assess the situation

If the coastguard told him to count passengers, that is out of order, he should never have done it, that is what the under officers referred to above are there for.
No single person can go round to count 4,000+ passengers and make an accurate count, especially as it is rumoured there were "unlisted" present.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Yet another 'ancient mariner'.

Where did you do your sea time mate.......on the Torpoint ferry ?


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