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Dick Dasterdly Jan 18th 2012 9:56 pm

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 9851695)
I still maintain the mans right to a fair trial and as I said before despite what the papers and media say, "He is innocent until proven guilty".
You barrack room lawyers apparently don't believe in that principle. Well I hope that you and your families never need it!

Of course he has.

However I doubt that anyones opinion on this forum will have the faintest influence on proceedings or possibly even that of the UK media which has not pointed the finger in anything like the same way as the Italian paparazzi or other crew members and witnesses incl the guest captain who was left to order the abandoning of the ship and co-ordinate the rescue after the authorised captain unfortunately tripped and fell into a rescue boat,:o, the coastguard, the judge in charge of the case who has already accused him of a grave error and Schellito himself who has now admitted to his errors after first denying them.

Nuff said ?

Saxy Jan 19th 2012 12:03 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 9851919)
Of course he has.

However I doubt that anyones opinion on this forum will have the faintest influence on proceedings or possibly even that of the UK media which has not pointed the finger in anything like the same way as the Italian paparazzi or other crew members and witnesses incl the guest captain who was left to order the abandoning of the ship and co-ordinate the rescue after the authorised captain unfortunately tripped and fell into a rescue boat,:o, the coastguard, the judge in charge of the case who has already accused him of a grave error and Schellito himself who has now admitted to his errors after first denying them.

Nuff said ?

I feel that there has been an element of racism throughout this thread. Had this man been English, would you have pursued this in the way you have?
I very much doubt it.
Guilty or not, the mans life has been ruined. He has to live every day with the fact that people have died and families have lost love ones. Do you think that's going to be easy?
Who amongst us has not made an error of judgement when driving and got away with it? and don't forget that the practice of sailing close to the coast for passenger entertainment, is encouraged by the cruising companies, as anyone who has been on a Med. cruise will know!
I think some of you should be thoroughly ashamed for the almost ghoulish pleasure you have derived from this incident.

Jerseygirl Jan 19th 2012 12:07 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 9852099)
I feel that there has been an element of racism throughout this thread. Had this man been English, would you have pursued this in the way you have?
I very much doubt it.
Guilty or not, the mans life has been ruined. He has to live every day with the fact that people have died and families have lost love ones. Do you think that's going to be easy?
Who amongst us has not made an error of judgement when driving and got away with it? and don't forget that the practice of sailing close to the coast for passenger entertainment, is encouraged by the cruising companies, as anyone who has been on a Med. cruise will know!
I think some of you should be thoroughly ashamed for the almost ghoulish pleasure you have derived from this incident.

Perhaps people would be more sympathetic towards him had he not jumped shipped to save his own ass.

Dick Dasterdly Jan 19th 2012 2:16 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 9852099)
I feel that there has been an element of racism throughout this thread. Had this man been English, would you have pursued this in the way you have?
I very much doubt it.
Guilty or not, the mans life has been ruined. He has to live every day with the fact that people have died and families have lost love ones. Do you think that's going to be easy?
Who amongst us has not made an error of judgement when driving and got away with it? and don't forget that the practice of sailing close to the coast for passenger entertainment, is encouraged by the cruising companies, as anyone who has been on a Med. cruise will know!
I think some of you should be thoroughly ashamed for the almost ghoulish pleasure you have derived from this incident.

As Jerseygirl says their may have been a small degree of sympathy for him had he stayed aboard and done his duty.
However according to crew members he had already "accidently fallen in the lifeboat" when the guest Captain on board took charge of proceedings as well as having to announce the abandonment of the ship.

Apparently the authorities are now trying to trace the Moldavian lady with whom he was seen drinking shortly before the disaster.
Furthermore questions are now being asked about his sobriety, which it is believed may partly explain his haste to leave the scene in the hope of doing a runner.

Your other points and accusations are almost too ridiculous and nonsensical to be worthy of comment,...... even more so considering they come from someone who supposedly does not believe in passing judgement without sound evidence and the full facts !:confused:

The distaste expressed here appears quite mild in contrast to the hostility and disgust being expressed by his own countrymen as well as his own crew !

I would have thought that the more responsibility that goes with the job or position, the more responsibiity the public and staff have a right to expect.
Unfortunately there is ever increasing evidence to the contrary.

The practice of sailing close to the coast in the dark in an extremely hazardous area was clearly not authorised or encouraged in this case,.... or do you have evidence to the contrary ?

I am at a total loss to understand your concern that the Captain will not have it easy. :confused:
Precisely what do you expect in view of the damage his negligence, stupidity and egotism has caused to so many other ppls lives ???

A recording relating to the very first contact between the captain and coastguard has just been released.
Absolutely astounding,.. despite the fact that several crew members were already phoning shore and reporting the incident, the captain was in total denial, other than to keep repeating that the only problem was a blackout.

IMHO, right from the time of the first mishap, he was having great difficulty trying to absorb the fact that for him, life as he knew it was already over.
His subsequent behaviour and inability to act in any logical manner thereafter, simply reflected his unfit state of mind from that point on.

Fred James Jan 19th 2012 2:57 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 9852099)
Had this man been English, would you have pursued this in the way you have?

Absolutely!

The English public and the English press would have been even harder on him had he been English.

I suggest you stop defending the indefensible in the face of his own admittance of his guilt, both in hitting the rocks due to his own error and deserting the ship.

No doubt, when he inevitably pleads guilty you will still consider him innocent.

Yes, I am sure we have all made the occasional error of judgement when driving but hopefully not a deliberately stupid manoeuvre that costs many lives.

jackytoo Jan 19th 2012 4:16 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 
Italian Tv have just released the first contact with the Coastguard and the ship. a member of the crew had called. They said it was just a blackout, surely he already knew it was worse.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-16637189

anonimouse Jan 19th 2012 4:19 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 
Like Saxy, I think we should wait and see the outcome instead of being a Linch mob based on press reports.

Whats to bet those accusing the captain on here are against hanging? Yet seem in favor of Linching.

They only know what they have read in the media and have become overnight experts. Have you read his lawyers statements? His neighbours are supporting him. Maybe he was trying to impress this girl he was with. We just don't know.

I admit it does look bad for the captain but I wonder what you lot of experts would have done in the same situation after making an error of judgement and falling with your officers into the lifeboat, That alone must have been unpleasant.The coast guard didn't sound too professional to me if I'm honest, but who am I to say, I suppose the experts here know better?

I wonder if there might be a twist in this tale when the real full truth comes out.

Nice to Chat about it, but come on.:p:p:p

jackytoo Jan 19th 2012 4:24 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 
The Coastguard sounded brilliant compared with the Captain. Have you listened to the latest transcript. :thumbdown: Members of his OWN crew had to resort to ringing on their mobiles. Even then he said there had only been a blackout for about 20 mins when the ship was already listing.

Glad I won't be taking a trip in your whatever size boat you own:rofl:

Jerseygirl Jan 19th 2012 4:24 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by anonimouse (Post 9852575)
Like Saxy, I think we should wait and see the outcome instead of being a Linch mob based on press reports.

Whats to bet those accusing the captain on here are against hanging? Yet seem in favor of Linching.

They only know what they have read in the media and have become overnight experts. Have you read his lawyers statements? His neighbours are supporting him. Maybe he was trying to impress this girl he was with. We just don't know.

I admit it does look bad for the captain but I wonder what you lot of experts would have done in the same situation after making an error of judgement and falling with your officers into the lifeboat, That alone must have been unpleasant.The coast guard didn't sound too professional to me if I'm honest, but who am I to say, I suppose the experts here know better?

I wonder if there might be a twist in this tale when the real full truth comes out.

Nice to Chat about it, but come on.:p:p:p

Oh please!! A lack of judgement is one thing...but to believe he and his officers 'accidently fell' into a lifeboat is just too much of a stretch for anyone to believe.

Not to mention that he did not return to his ship when ordered by the coastguard...instead he turned tail and 'fell' into a taxi and went home.

:rolleyes:

anonimouse Jan 19th 2012 4:28 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 9852591)
Oh please!! A lack of judgement is one thing...but to believe he and his officers 'accidently fell' into a lifeboat is just too much of a stretch for anyone to believe.

Not to mention that he did not return to his ship when ordered by the coastguard...instead he turned tail and 'fell' into a taxi and went home.

:rolleyes:

But can you imagine the stress he was under?

If he went back aboard, that could have been another life or lives lost, I wonder what the coast guard would have said if he went back on, on his orders and was killed, possibly along with his second mate?

JLFS Jan 19th 2012 4:29 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by anonimouse (Post 9852575)
Like Saxy, I think we should wait and see the outcome instead of being a Linch mob based on press reports.

Whats to bet those accusing the captain on here are against hanging? Yet seem in favor of Linching.

They only know what they have read in the media and have become overnight experts. Have you read his lawyers statements? His neighbours are supporting him. Maybe he was trying to impress this girl he was with. We just don't know.

I admit it does look bad for the captain but I wonder what you lot of experts would have done in the same situation after making an error of judgement and falling with your officers into the lifeboat, That alone must have been unpleasant.The coast guard didn't sound too professional to me if I'm honest, but who am I to say, I suppose the experts here know better?

I wonder if there might be a twist in this tale when the real full truth comes out.

Nice to Chat about it, but come on.:p:p:p

OK so we dont know what happened, but being the captian means that he should be the best man to co-ordinate and emergency evacuation of the ship.

With the captains salary comes the presponsibitliy of the wellbeing and safty of the passengers. Everyone on the crew on board have their own duties in such cases, but the man at the top is the one they all look to for help in a real crisis, and if he is not there to play his part, what is left, only chaos.

anonimouse Jan 19th 2012 4:33 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 
So captain and officers scramble back aboard at the bow, what would his next step be? Perhaps he could have run the full lenght of the ship shouting this way to 4000 ppl:p

JLFS Jan 19th 2012 4:37 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by anonimouse (Post 9852606)
So captain and officers scramble back aboard at the bow, what would his next step be? Perhaps he could have run the full lenght of the ship shouting this way to 4000 ppl:p

I can see you used to watch the Love Boat too...;)

anonimouse Jan 19th 2012 4:37 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by JLFS (Post 9852598)
OK so we dont know what happened, but being the captian means that he should be the best man to co-ordinate and emergency evacuation of the ship.

With the captains salary comes the presponsibitliy of the wellbeing and safty of the passengers. Everyone on the crew on board have their own duties in such cases, but the man at the top is the one they all look to for help in a real crisis, and if he is not there to play his part, what is left, only chaos.

Yes but it's odd, don't you think............ How come you all believe the press except that is for the bits that you don't want to, like for instance when he and his mates fell into the lifeboats and then got them launched all by accident, My mind boggles:p:p

JLFS Jan 19th 2012 4:44 am

Re: Cruise ship on the rocks
 

Originally Posted by anonimouse (Post 9852616)
Yes but it's odd, don't you think............ How come you all believe the press except for the bits you don't want to, like when he and his mates fell into the lifeboats and them got them launched, My mind boggles:p:p

Oh I do believe that he fell into the lifeboat, strange things happen in life.

A nurse who worked in A and E told me that quite/very often people just happen to sit down on an upright bottle when they are walking around naked at home, and the bottle always manages to get stuck up their bum and cannot be retrieved.


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