Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte Part 6
 

Hi Mitzyboy,

Is it very difficult to do, honestly?
I've given the first two post numbers and the dates. The remaining posts may or may not be added when a "search this thread" with the keywords "entidad urbanistica", and separately, "EUC", is done to the thread entitled "COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE".
I understand that to start a new thread with so many previous posts is a chore. However, perhaps a link pointing to the posts made following the date17th Decemer 2008 on the above mentioned thread would be enough? Is it do-able?

Carol

P.S. Many thanks!

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Difficult, no .... time consuming .... very!
I could use the search facility, but that is not going to find all the posts is it. So you are going to have a very disjointed new thread

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte Part 6
 

Well, its done as you requested ..... if it flows properly or not, I do not know

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Many thanks Mitzy but where is it?

You were quick I have been back and forth looking for the start and was going to compile a list.

By the way I seem to have two CE part 6 threads each current with about 130 posts on each.

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte Part 6
 

No, this is Costa Esuri - Ayamonte that you are posting in, the trouble is they have been moved from the CE6 thread and the one before that, and therefore are individually titled CE6 or whatever. By doing it as I have been asked to, all we have done is move search related posts across. As I originally inferred, its not going to be perfect by any means

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte Part 6
 

Right on Mitzy I just looked at the first page and it seemed a straight take on CE Part 6

Would it be possible to introduce EUC into the thread title and that would be perfect. It all seems to be there including the first post by P Tinks and some of my early ones but more importantly we will a) be able to find stuff on this very important topic and b) others will find it from a google search if they look for EUC despite where in Spain they live it is a very emotive topic especially if it costs upward of €240 a year for the smallest house.

Many thanks for the effort John.

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte Part 6
 

Now you know why the mods have been trying to get individual threads posted, so much easier to find stuff. ;-))

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Thanks, Mitzyboy!:thumbsup: It flows well; you've done a good job.

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Here, here, well done and big thanks to Mitzyboy. Personally, I really like the separate threads, so much easier to keep up to date. I can then enjoy dipping into the "old" thread for all the odds and sods (topics that is, not people!!).

:thumbsup:

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte - EUC
 

Perhaps, in future, you can avoid the problem happening again by making sure that new topics are always posted as a separate thread.

Mitzy was kind to you this time - it may not be the same next time:):)

Now, if you lot had your own moderator - come on, someone must be up for it.:fingerscrossed:

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte - EUC
 

Mitzy Boy

THANKS !!...much appreciated. I like the loooooooong thread very much but it does make sense to put certain topics such as the EUC on its own. Problem is we have nattered away for a while b4 we realise it deserves a thread of its own.

All the best to you

Mel

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte - EUC
 

That's why you need your own mod to unravel it when necessary!;)

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Hi:)

Last EUC meeting was only in Spanish ( I was there) and some British owners complained about it to the Administrators and to the Mayor . Pelayo Móron Pendas was occasionally translating some things to Steven Tipper.

The EUC budget for 2009 is: 932.000,00€

The EUC president is the Mayor
Vicepresidente: Dña Josefa Marquez Soares (local builder)
Secretario: Pelayo Morón Pendas
Tesorero:Stephen Tipper
Vocales: Jose Ignacio Fernández de Jodar and Rafael Jesús Cuadrado Ramos (Martinsa-Fadesa)

The EUC Administrators are Lopez & Gutierrez (lawyers & condominium management).
Comfort Servi is the company employed to do the security, cleaning, gardeners and maintenance in all Esuri. Comfort Servi also works in all the Esuri urbanisations administrated by ADA.
The EUC fees will be charged in the future as the council tax.

This is all I know from last EUC meeting.

Regards

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I vote for Sharonb.....

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte Part 6
 

Really useful info - thank you

Jon

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte - EUC
 

Hope it all works out but, by the look of that outfit it doesn't bode well:blink:

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I voted for you:o

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte - EUC
 

Would you care to expand on that comment with some specifics.

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Just out of general interest does anyone know how this board got elected?

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It is worth noting that with the exception of the Mayor all the board members are owners on Esuri which is a requirement of the Law of the EUC.

The VP is a multiplot owner and is building on CE
The Tesorero owns a town house and is an intercommunity President
The Vocales are other ic Presidents and a rep from Fadesa who must still be the largest house owner on CE
The Secretary is a local Lawyer and a house owner

So it is just not random self selection but not many attended the first meeting and all should have an interest in keeping costs down. The invitation was extended to all IC Presidents and at a later date to plot owners but the meeting was held on the 30/12/2008 so not many were around Esuri at the time.

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What was the result of the above meeting on the 22nd May 2009?

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Post on the EUC thread ??????

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:rofl: I just did!! D'ya know what? I did a "quote" click on the post dated 21st May 2009, and it had the subtitle COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE thread (ie. the old one). That's where the confusion has started.

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte - EUC
 

Lol I see what you mean, three different titles.

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte - EUC
 

It's a bit tricky with titles being so similar. Perhaps the more recent thread should be called (Y)EUC(H)! Sorry, childish of me...:o

Still, I think the inaugural meeting for the EUC was held in December 2008. (I believe "yes we can" refers to the outcome of this meeting in her post.) I was wondering what further information has been gained from any further meetings?
There is an email address posted by Roger77. (Scroll back a bit to the first page of this thread).

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That was the one I was over for but 5.0pm on a Friday and I was dropping son of at Faro to catch a flight just then so I missed it but since my Spanish is poor would I have understood if I had been there?

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To the best of my knowledge there have only been the 2 meetings and the first was reported in the Oracle but have not seen any outcomes from the May meeting.

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte - EUC
 

Care to expand on that comment? And share your knowledge with the rest of us?

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Ignore her, wind up artist...... she has no knowledge.

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Why am I a wind up? (at least I am not always trying to advertise something!). Having an opinion does not make one a wind-up:huh: just the first time I have been on since I last posted:frown: Now stop being so bloody rude:thumbdown:

Based on previous experience with communities it is always advisable to get anyone connected with the developers off the committee, see there are two from Fadesa. They will have a different agenda. Then there is the Mayor and the local builder:eek: The majority of owners are british, they are always looked upon as carrying a platinum cash card. Just my humble opinion, do hope I haven't offended anyone by having one:rolleyes:

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I agree with jackytoo here, the line up certainly sounds a bit lop sided in their favour.
I can`t really see how the Mayor can be chairman as he is the biggest recipient of the funds coming in, and if Fadesa are the biggest property holders (check they are paying their dues on each property) then surely the people trying to sort out them should be there not Fadesa.
A whole lot of covering up could be going on if no one from the other owners is on the board, it certainly looks like a job for the boys situation.

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte - EUC
 

All this simply further underlines my suspicions with the EUC, that Ive mentioned several times in having started this discussion - and the fact that we are a cash cow waiting to be milked... if we dont know what is going on.

Thats one of the primary reason why Ive stated that meetings should be bi-lingual, so that we have as much transparency as possible and the majority can take part at the meetings. This is not a precedent, other community intercommunity meetings are bi-lingual.

Again not trying to 'diss' anyone personally, just the meetings themselves, otherwise our non-Spanish speaking representative cannot fully support us.

What is the process for us in advance to vote this in, please? We would need a lot of people to get involved, for as long as we look in from the outside, staying on the sideline - we lose. If it means we all write a letter - so what, we can do that. We do have a right to vote here....

Regards
Jon

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YEP !! Totally agree with Jacky's, JDR and Jon's postings - and thanks for the input. Also JDR has mentioned re. Fadesa and have they paid their community fees on all the properties they still own ? That is a very good point because if they are not up to date with payments and if the EUC rules are the same as our community rules then they are not allowed to have a vote - are they ?

Mel

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the 1st step should be to find out in black and white what the budget is paying for so it can then be analysed properly 900,000 euros would give you a hell of a lot of gardeners on 15 euros an hour once we have that information we need to find out who is going to be paying surely all plot owners/developers wheather building or not should have to contribute as it is there roads/verges which will be getting maintaned .once we have this information we may be able to challenge their agenda or refuse to pay until we feel it is a fair system for all. just reading the information we have had provided on here the commitee does seem pretty lobsided with people who have a vested interest for themselves.

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May I suggest an action plan

1. Find out from this thread how we can ensure that the next meeting is bi-lingual. If necessary we all e.g agree to write a letter asking/insisting on this. Does anybody know what needs to be done to make this happen? this will close this action point and give us a plan

2. Do the due dilligence on the accounts - but we need somebody who understands them, to look at them and comment. Any volunteers?

3. Find out if Fadesa is allowed to vote - as they are non-payers. Does anybody know the rules. If this is appropriate I am happy also to vote them out till they pay any outstanding payments- not much use having a non-voter and non-payer on the board which decides how the money is going to be used!! (Crazy)

I am going to be effectively off the net now for quite a while so Im sorry I have to drop out of the discussion. I will pick up when we get back on line.

Regards
Jon

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There's nothing to stop you independantly taking along someone who has the ability to speak Spanish and English and paying them accordingly.

Also, good point raised earlier about all those empty unsold Fadesa properties. Given that there are somewhere near over 1000 unsold places on their books, so presumably Fadesa is the registered owner, so should they have to pay the proprtional rate for each??? Good point.

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Anybody that is not fully paid up on their dues is not allowed to vote, that is why I said check up if they have paid on all their properties.
There is a bit about communities HERE although this is not the community as such.
It may sort of give a guide, read the statutes part, as the EUC should be listed in the community agenda of things that need paying by the community and how much each owner should pay.

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte - EUC
 

While this is certainly true for the Communities - and it is in my agreement with our Manzana - I'm not sure how it can be true for the EUC? For example, Steve Tripper represents English speakers - does he not get a vote if any of his consituents are in arrears? Who are the constituents of all the other board members?

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte - EUC
 

They are doing this A about F, this should of already been sorted out and the cost should already be in the statutes of the community meetings so the community can be advised on what they have to pay monthly.

At a guess I would say the council were going to take over the costs and adopt the roads etc, but having costed it out have changed their minds so are now implementing a new company and charge to cover it.

I didn`t only mean board members, anyone who owns a property should be able to attend the meetings and vote, but if they owe any dues then they are usually not allowed to vote.
So if Fadesa own 2000 properties but have not paid the dues then they should not get the votes.
If any owners can`t get to the meetings then they should give Steve their proxy votes, and these have to be renewed before every meeting.
This will show that at least you are interested in your rights and not an easy fund machine.