Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Thanks for that info I have been taking a look at the website every now and then and as recent as Wednesday nothing had changed. Just had a looksee and there it is the best info yet on what is going on.

No the €6m is not underhand it is a bond against completion of the infrastructure to the agreed layout and standard. See: -

http://www.theoraclenews.com/index.p...=186&Itemid=26

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Ned I could not agree more we should all stand together at Esuri. Things are bad in general and in CE so we must do all we can to improve the situation.

The formation of the EUC was required by Law and Carol has demonstrated that it was first mooted in 2005 so it should not have surprised us that it is taking place now but it did surprise me.

What we must do is ensure that the Board and its members are truly representing the views of the majority of owners and working to improve the situation at the lowest cost.

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

i agree that if it is a requirement by law then so be it but the problem i see is that i am now paying in to a communnity an inter community a council tax and now this euc on a 2 bedroom house that i am only there maximum 6 weeks per year and i feel many other owners are in the same boat could it not benefit us all if the whole urb came under 1 umbrella and 1 monthly payment instead of all these splinter groups

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Read post 4696, I think you are confusing things a bit.
Villa owners pay for everything themselves, ie comunity charge and upkeep of the villa, if you are in a bloque then the running costs, ie pool gardens etc are shared, you are not paying twice.

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

believe me i pay 1 adminastration company for the community and a differant admin company for the inter community and then i have a yearly council tax bill so with this new euc charge that is 4 differant charges

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Hi Mark :)

I believe you, I am exactly in the same situation.

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

It seem that the less well informed we are the more we seem to fill in the gaps with negative sentiment.....and the more we repeat it....it some how becomes fact.

The reality appears to be that we own properties in Spain. We pay taxes, council tax and community fees. We would be required to pay such on properties and assetts in the UK...why should we expect it to be any different in Spain. The police, bin men and other services dont come free.

The coment about cleaning the smoke stained wall after the generator fire and complaining that hid not been cleaned...who is going to clean it...it will cost....someone has to pay. If something like this happened in say 10 years time when Fedesa had moved on....who would pay....Either the effected owners directly or the council.....which ever we pay.

No body said that owning a property in Spain would be cheap.

The biggest problem most face is lack of knowledge and information. Knowledge will come with experience...as for lack of information we can only press to be better informed by those who we pay to advise and those who represent our interests.

The EUC seems to have been a done deal and only needed to be ratified by setting up a commitee it seems (i may be wrong). The EUC may actually be a good thing...and things may get better at CE. Remember CE is part of Ayamonte....not a little Britain....if we want to integrate with Ayamonte have bus services, police, schools and other services....then we have to pay to have it serviced in that way. I am sure in the UK we would resist paying for imigrants holiday homes to be serviced without contribution.

It is in everyones best interests to have CE be a success that includes the local economy....if the EUC helps this along so much the better. If the mayor is involved (other than just a figure head) then so much the better.

Lets just wait and see what happens. There is only so much we can influence as owners....we cannot stop the EUC (and why should we....it may be a good thing)....if the committee is poor we may be able to change it....

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

You should pay the main community charge, this includes roads, rubbish collection, lighting, gardens etc, plus maintenance. This is share paid by all the owners in the community.
If you live in a bloque then you get charged for the lighting, gardens, painting etc, of the bloque, this money is put in a kitty and paid out when needed. this is share paid by the owners of the bloque.
At the meetings you can put forward a decrease in this if you feel the kitty is getting too big, but the conditions you live in are governed by what is paid in. If the payments are too low, then when it is time to decorate it may have to be put back a couple of years.
You may find out this new one is being brought in to replace the original main community one.

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Also, before we get bogged down complaining about the EUC committee. What if it was not quite properly done...what next? We pay for lawyers to challenge it.....I dont see a long que of complainers now each with there 100 euro into the legal fund.

And what if it is challaenged? The process starts again? The EUC is delayed in doing its job and CE suffers? And after all this we may all be back where we started.

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

In the cold light of day, it appears to me that the way forward to flourish for the development called Costa Esuri is to invest in it more money and time. Please bear with me as I put my thoughts to paper, so to speak. As this is a discussion forum, I thought it would make an interesting topic. (Yes, I can find more cheerful, lighthearted topics! Save them for later, shall I?)

More taxation in the form of the fee set by the EUC (I have read that the average fee will be 22euros per month per property, depending on the size of property) by the owners of property at Costa Esuri. Indeed, this rate is on top of the IBI (plus manzana/bloque, plus intercommunity rates for which jdr has pointed out that only at meetings (reuniones, convocatorios) can the fees be changed or whatever...), for which people should pay regardless of how long you stay at your property.

The reality is that it costs more than had been expected. People want to know what they are paying for. True?

There is an argument which goes something like this:
Why should folk living in Ayamonte town centre or along the beachfront pay even more tax for the public transport, roads, lights & public gardens up at Costa Esuri? Why should they ( or “we” - including Costa Esuri taxpayers) pay more tax for the public roads, lights, etc at the beachfront apartments along Isla Canela to Punta del Moral?

Does the answer lie in my understanding that both developments (CE and IC) were funded by private money and not a public purse (as Yorkshire Scratcher has mentioned previously)?

By living in the hills, along the river, or beside the ocean, does this mean property owners there have more of a responsibility in the conservation of these public areas?

I believe when the resort Islantilla was built, it took several years before the EUC status was brought into play. In my (humble) understanding, Islantilla now is divided (in economic terms) between the ayuntamientos of Lepe and Isla Cristina. (I am uncertain whether or not Islantilla retains EUC status.) This is by the by...

It appears that the figurehead of CE is now the EUC (Entidad Urbanistica de Conservacion (de Costa Esuri). As John&Kath said, it seems to have happened quickly. Yet, according to the "estatutos" (2005) a meeting can be convened no earlier than 15 days following notification, and no later than 24 days (if I read correctly.)

The new committee is presided over by the Mayor of Ayamonte. I thank them for their time, as I do the Presidents and Vice Presidents of the different communities at CE.

I wish this committee much luck in their endeavours to provide to the residents and non-residents of Costa Esuri an openly democratic, clear, well informed, and realistic service for the future.

Viva Ayamonte! Viva Esuri!

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

From what I have been told..(which may not be correct) is that as part of the original land sale to Fadesa for the CE development....it was a condition that CE was to be subject to a EUC.

I am guessing here, but this may be like a housing estate in the UK having its public areas adopted or not as the case may be. The EUC adopts the public infra structure...ie Roads, Green spaces etc outside each urbanisation. The com charges we currently pay for for rubbish and other council provided services regardless of an adoption or EUC. The cost of maintaining the roads and green spaces has to be met by someone....if the development was not adopted we would all have to pay through some sort of private committee I guess...so paying for this has not changed....we would always have to pay.

Prior to MF problems MF was paying for this....so we were possibly getting something for free. I am not sure who has been maintaining since the MF problems....but again at no charge to the CE residents.

The euro 6 million bond is it appears a sort of waranty against defects with the infra structure....say that MF are released of their obligation to maintain by the EUC then the EUC has a route to call the bond to cover the cost of any defects....

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

There is a summary of what happened at the EUC Meeting from Michael H on Infoayamonte.

Re: CostaEsuri - EUC URGENT
 

Ive just logged back into this forum after my Xmas break. Wow what a stinging response Roger77... first time you have replied to one of my posts and you come out swinging and I think rude and arrogant. Is this type of response really necessary? You've got a problem I feel and suggest that you should keep it to yourself instead of 'losing it' publically.

Anyway based on this emotional outburst I will be avoiding and not trusting any info posted by Roger77. I respect people who can articulate their points politely, especially on the first contact. If they cant do that, I question their validity in all things.

Thanks John for your support later on and pointing out his misunderstanding.

Well I've had my say, Roger77 you can have the last one if you want, people like you often need to. I wont reply so you will 'win'

Re: CostaEsuri - EUC URGENT
 

No :)
Please dont, you've both had your say, now lets keep to discussion rather than getting riled with each other, eh? :)

Thanks

Costa Esuri - Ayamonte
 

I'm very happy of having bought a house in CE, in fact, the more time i spend there, the more i like it. The people i have already met are very nice people and i have had a very good time with them. CE looks fantastic and you can see the improvement each time you go there and as the days go by.
About this euc tax, it's something that its already paid for people who live in Punta del Moral and Isla Canela. This tax depends on the Ayuntamiento.
i cant understand why there are people who talk so bad about CE but my opinion is completely the opposite and besides that, i repeat that the development of CE, to a great extent, depends on us. I think there are always people who see the glass half empty instead of seing it half full.
As Carol said "Viva Costa Esuri" and "Viva Ayamonte" :thumbsup::thumbsup:
marisol

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Spot on Marisol Viva Ayamonte and Viva Costa Esuri!

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Thanks Marisol

Back in the UK after having been in Esuri for two weeks... loved every moment. Totally agree with your outlook... !
This forum is getting a little bogged down and it's nice to have a positive read now and again.
With regard to the EUC, so what if it costs a little extra, I'd rather the development was maintained in good order and not to solely rely on MF. The Court ruling may have said they were solvent, but that will not have any bearing on continuing development or maintenance of Esuri.

Regards to all !

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

i dont know what your financial situation is but i feel your being a little bit flippant when you say so what if it costs a little bit extra the facts are that from the previous years budgets my community fees rose 30% the intercommunity 84% (plus a 1 off payment) and the council tax 10% take in the level of sterling and that is quite a strain on my and i would assume many other peoples incomes especially in these difficult times a three bedroom townhouse is already around 2000 euro per annum without the extra charge i know of quite a few residents who are threatening to just walk away as the fees are crippling them and this would have a detrimental effect on the ones who remain as less homes occupied would mean less money in the coffers. it would be interesting to know what other urbs pay in other areas so we could have some kind of benchmark

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

thats a good start id say your community fees are similar to our 3 bed corner houses but your ibi tax is at least a couple of hundred euros more expensive are you part of an euc or is that still to come also what percentage of apartments are occupied in your community and do you think the cost is putting prospective buyers off

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Hi Mark

I have never been told anything about being part of an euc and have had full minutes from each AGM, so no, I don't think so. I do know that now that there are 4 developments finished we were told we had to form a super community to take over the access road and tennis courts that IC had up to then been paying for.

We definitely pay a couple of hundred more IBI tax than the marina apartments, the only reason we can come up with is that when I looked at the IC super plan the golf apts were designated differently to the marina apts, from memory the marina apts were designated 'touristica' and the golf was...erm....touristica/residential...or something like that.

The apts were all sold off plan, don't think anyone lives there all year round. There are about 60 apts in our community and from what I can see around half a dozen are for sale. Not sure that the community charge is so offputting as the unrealistic price most seem to expect :rofl:

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

you have probibly paid for the new duel carriageway and bridge as you live closest to it may be you should set up a toll to catch all the marina and beach crowd. if everything is private from the entrance it does seem excessive for basically a bin service

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

It is not extra...it was always going to be an EUC. It is perhaps that we did not know about it.

I guess a lot of people jumped on the overseas property band wagon without knowing all the details and costs. On the bright side euro base rate as reduced i think by 25%....so those with a mortgage....will be better off....ok sterling down anywhere between 40 and 30%....so those with a mortgage say 20% worse off.

Not ideal....but there was always an exchange rate risk.

On the plus side...if I could sell my CE property....allowing for a 30% slump in prices....I would probably break even in Sterling.

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Hi
I saw that the GBP/Euro touched 1.023 just after new year... as you say great if one can sell euro proerty and convert to sterling. I was in the UK over Xmas and the New Year and was buying champagne cheaper on the ferry (in Sterling) than I get on the continent! So I bought booze on the ferry/UK to take back to Belgium (where we pay the same as France) - that included French classics like champers and cognac, which was about 20% cheaper. Whats that about coals and Newcastle and snow and eskimos! :confused:

We used Norfolk line from Dunkirk-Dover a bit longer but a quantum leap in comfort and service, and of course these great booze deals (which paid for the tickets). Eurotunnel had terribly limited services whose timings didnt work, the tunnels arent fully open yet.

This must have killed the 'booze-run' trade just across the water in Calais.

Does anybody know please..

1. If the administrators had the properties in CE officially valued as part of the asset calculation... and ... if anyone knows the result of that (as it will set our values)

2. When the administrators will release all the vacant MF properties for sale.

Anyway HAPPY NEW YEAR to everybody.

If 2009 in CE/Ayamonte/Spain/Portugal can be half as much fun as we had in 08 then we are eager for it to continue... and delighted with our purchase. And over time it can only get better.... especially as more plots get built on and more people move in, and all the infrastructure eventualy gets done i.e Hotel, Commercial centre and Marins (perhaps - still dubious about that - but excited at the possibility)

Regards
Jon

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Hi Jon,

The values I have seen posted (a download on here I think) were gross figures. There were three one done on behalf of the judge which was the lowest and done by a Brit company, the others done on behalf of MF were higher. Varied shall we say from 7-11 billion with liabilities at say 6 billion so he declared that with less than a billion difference they were viable to trade out of Administration. Of course that was a snapshot view across assets in several countries and mainly composed of land a lot of it with hope value so what the value will be this time next year who knows? I would have thought that they would try to sell completed assets as soon as possible.

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

We have just been driving round Costa Esuri and as always each time we visit it looks better than before. It was also pleasing to read that even with a low valuation MF assets outweigh their liabilities by a good margin, not a bad result in this climate. :):):)

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

I have a variable rate Spanish mortgage on our property at Marina Esuri and far from our mortgage decreasing the December and January payments have increased by Euro 50+. Our mortgage is with Cajasur and my previous contact there, Juan Rafael Ruiz, seems to no longer be there and I have not received replies to any of the emails or fax messages I have sent querying this. In addition, I have a debit on my account for an electricity bill from Endesa at the end of November for Euro 111 and a further one in December for Euro 56, and we have not visited Esuri since September and all utilities are switched off.
Does anyone have a contact at Cajasur who speaks English.

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Hi John&Kath,

I am a plotter and never received any invitation to the EUC meeting. I contacted my solicitor, who first contacted Fadesa. And then he called the town hall, who informed him that I would receive an invite from Fadesa. When asked if I could just show up with a letter from my solicitor confirming ownership of the plot, he was told to advise me against it, as there may be a lot of confusion if I arrived without an invite and that they may not let me in as the meeting may be full of people who held an invite.

I therefore stayed in the UK. I would not necessarily have opposed this, as I am not necessarily against paying an extra community charge. But is this not included in our council tax? In any event, I think that it is unacceptable that I was not sent an invitation, as I in fact own a plot on Esuri. There are many, many plots on Esuri, and if all of us were not invited, or invited belatedly, it certainly looks like they were trying to pull a fast one!

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Sorry - just joined and read this. I own a plot and my solicitor deliberately contacted both Fadesa and the Ayamonte council to secure my presence at the meeting more than a week before the 31st. I had been informed by a friend, who lives in the houses and occasionally read this forum, where she found out about the EUC meeting.

My solicitor was informed by the council that I should not attend without an invitation, which should arrive any day. Without an invite I could not be admitted due to the confusion of the many attendants. A letter, as suggested by my solicitor, in which he confirms my ownership of the plot was still deemed insufficient.

Hence I believe that we were simply not welcome. My wife and I have no qualms about paying any reasonable charges, and would probably not have had anything against the EUC. But the mere fact that we were more or less requested to stay away makes us very suspicious.

I am sorry to sound negative. I have read other posts, in which people asking questions were deemed negative and then slated for it. But I had great plans for my house, and every extra penny paid is another penny off my villa!

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Costa Esuri EUC - Good or Bad?

Regardless of whether or not we should all have been invited, an EUC for the whole of Costa Esuri (CE) was formed on 31st December. On the face of it, all is now well. A committee has been formed, presided over by the mayor of Ayamonte, with members fairly reasonably representative of the various owners at CE. Moreover, Ayamonte town hall holds a 6 million € guarantee from MF for use in rectifying any deficiencies in the facilities promised in their original plans. The EUC can then decide what addition features, over and above those provided by MF and those provided by the Council from Ayamonte local authority funds, need to plovided, as paid for by funds provided by CE owners. It all sound very good.

However!!!

The CE EUC Committee is better described as a benevolent dictatorship rather than a democratic organization The members are self appointed and will decide how much money they take from me, and how they will use it, without me having any say in this, or having any vote to register any objections I may have. History tells me that benevolent dictatorships have a habit of becoming less benevolent with time.

Furthermore, all owners at CE pay (or at least should pay) council tax, and are therefore entitled to the same local authority benefits as those provided to house holders at Ayamonte. Thus, for example, if a street light fails on a street in Ayamonte, the local authority is reasonable for its repair and paying for it from council funds. Similarly, any street lighting repair required at CE should be organised and paid for from Ayamonte Council funds. Is there not a danger that this and other such expenditure will be paid for from EUC funds? Thus, CE owners will be finding themselves having to pay for the same thing twice, ie from both their council tax and their EUC sub.

I am of the view that, until it has been established what support Ayamonte Council is providing for CE, it would be premature for any CE EUC funds to be spent at all. I am not all that unhappy at the thought of having to pay the 10€ per month subscription envisaged by the RAGO 2 President, but would it remain that low? (The 22€ per month (264€ per year) envisaged by the Oracle would be a bigger pill to swallow.) Furthermore, who pays and who should not pay? Should plot owners, who have not yet started to build, pay? How do you collect money from plot owners who have built, but have no established Community? Consequently, I am against subscribing to EUC funds until the situation has become much clearer than it is at present. However, I'm not confident that Spanish Law will allow me to resist making such payments, although if there was sufficiently strong opposition, even Spanish Law might find it irresistible

In the meantime, there is no reason why the EUC should not continue to function. Somebody needs to ensure that MF (now that they are apparently viable again) are indeed providing all that to which they were committed to in their plans. The EUC would also be a good medium for ensuring that the Ayamonte Council facilities provided at CE are comparable to those provided in down-town Ayamonte.

Taff

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

i know the council former by 6 people, the Major, one english representative, two fadesa members a promotor an a local solicitor has been having some meetings and they have already appoint a managing company and a company who will take care of the maintenace of teh place. The contrac has been already signed.

they way of payment the euc will be similar of the ibi tax and it will be payable every 3 months.. around 25 euros per month. This will include a security sistem for teh complex

hope this clarify some things

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Yes many thanks for that when will they announce all this and tell us what is happening. Did they call for tenders for the management company or did they just give it to ADA as usual? Do they know about the EU law on open tendering?

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Hi Bank Manager and welcome to the forum... I look forward to seeing your contributions. Thank you for the help and expect to get lots of questions :)

I am very doubtful about the Marina (even though I think it will be a huge positive for us). We heard that the mayor has put in the official minutes that the work has been approved and will start in 2010.

However as much as I would personally like it to start , I simply dont see how such a big and expensive project can be justified in these tough financial times. Sure it will bring employment and business into the area, but can anybody afford such a huge and expensive project I wonder... Even in a few years time!

Do you have any feelings about the Marina please? Will it start?, will the project be reviewed? etc.

Thanks in advance for the help...

Jon

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Welcome bank manager :)

Do you know which company will take care of the maintenance?
The security system is to protect us the residents or all the constructions around Esuri to save money to Fadesa and & ?
Do you know that we will be the first ones in Ayamonte with private security?
Why Isla Canela doesn´t have private security? Because they don´t pay EUC?

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

the company will be conforsevi.... the contract will be sign this week and about the security it will be a car 24 hours around costa esury detecting any extrange movement and will be coordinate with the police... i do not know how effective this will be but at least is soemthing.

for those that talk about the marina, yes you are 100% right all the legal has been done but until one comapany does not put the money down it wont start and it does not look like it at the moment.

one tip for everybody... check your bank account and see if the bank has increase the commisions .... if they have done it push them ... we need your money and if they do not help some other bank in town will.

ps if you complain to me i will kill you jajja

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

The first failed attempt to charge the EUC in Isla Canela was about 60€ per year, and now they want 25€ per month? the law says can´t be more than 30% of your IBI tax.

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

I have just spoken to Steve Tipper who is on the committee regarding the EUC.

The contract with Confortservi was signed tonight. Other people were considered but Confortservi were the better value and are local. They have done a good job with the gardens this year. They are not part of ADA. The
The fees will not be 35 euros a month but around 10 or 12 Euros a month.

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Got back from CE on Wednesday after a few days relaxing in the sun and playing some golf and must say everything is looking good in terms of general upkeep even if the commercial centre and hotel are looking an eyesore still. There was work going on on them so any progress is welcome.

Just before I left I saw a new security vehicle driving around near Rago 1which was sign written "CONTROL EUC COSTA ESURI". Maybe they have started to take control already. I here the EUC charges are starting at 10 euros per month for a 2 bed apartment, but not sure when they are to be paid.

Tried out Luis's new restaurant in portugal and the food (8 euros for 2 courses) was real good (service was good as well??). Also went to Mars Bar and tried his new Mexican Burritos (chicken not pork!!). They were the best I've ever had. He also does a version of lamb doner kebab, but Avi (the boss) said not to bother as the meat is fried and chewy?

Anyway had a great time as always and can't wait to get back out...

John

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

Hi John

Where is Luis's new restaurant, if the directions have already been published in previous posts, I apiologies for asking.


Regards

dave

Re: COSTA ESURI - AYAMONTE
 

just to inform that tomorrow will take place the general meeting of the EUC the costa esury at 5 in la casa grande of Ayamonte, any owner can go but you will be represented by the president of your community

Re: Costa Esuri - Ayamonte Part 6
 

Must agree when we last saw it the landscapeing from the entrance all the way up around the townhouses was looking great Rago one looked good as well and the news that improvements to the road surface are welcome. Howevre the news that the EUC has cut back on the maintenance work does not bode well for the future.