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It might sound like good news but how many of us will be able to attend a meeting in Febuary?,yet there might of been quite a lot out for the xmas break and available to attend the January one?.

All the best to all for Christmas and new year.

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:-D !Feliz Navidad a todos!

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Feliz Navidad Carol&John:)

Merry Christmas to all!

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Hi SL thanks for the email and also the posts:

I dont see how the EUC can hope to be effective.

• They have been attrocious at communicating to people who's money they need.
  
  
• Many people are not paying the last (first) bill - many others like you are fighting the EUC.
  
  
• I also believe that many people dont even know about the EUC, a minority read the forum. Even so the forum is not an appropriate method for the EUC to communicate with everyone. Also I think the forum has died down a lot in the past few months... many 'famous/active posters' seem to have taken a break.
  
  
• Most people (forum menbers and non-forum members) have not been at CE to open their letterboxes for this last-minute bill. It arrived a few days before the 'cut off time' and even with the extension, most people wont have seen it.
  
  
• BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT SOURCE OF INCOME IS MARTINSA FADESA - as they own so many properties. If the EUC/town hall is not seen as agressively going after this high priority and essential money - how can they expect the average person to have any confidence in paying! In one hit the Town Hall gets a HUGE sum of money from MF
  
  
• With 2 seats on the board I hope that Martinsa Fadesa (MF) has already paid their bills. They have to also set the best example. Otherwise they cant justify 2 places on the board and set regulations etc. Does anybody know if MF have paid to the TOWN HALL 1) the last IBI bills and 2) The EUC bill due 2 December? With them in administration this causes problems.
  
  
• MF are huge debtors to the Intercommunity and community, and we are all affected by their problems in these areas. I hope they have a method at least to keep the town hall on their side - by paying the IBI and the EUC.... However all the experience we have had of MF paying the relevant bills (that we are all expected to pay as well) is bad. Doesnt bode well for the future.:frown:
  
  
• Its hardly surprising that 1) some people are fighting the EUC, 2)some are just not paying, 3) some dont know about it and 4) some are taking a 'wait and see' attitude
  
  
• I don't see how the EUC can continue - there just isn't enough money considering the possible non-Fadesa money, the Spanish appeals against the EUC, the 'wait and see', and the general malaise of late paying there is out there and ..............don't forget 1 years unpaid bills for cars, work etc etc..

I am happy that the meeting was postponed, as it was at a bad time for people to attend during the holidays. What this means for the next years budget I dont know.... however we are not looking at a success story of organisation and planning here. :eek:

I have sent email to the Administrators with some questions concerning payments etc. (They kindly offered to pay my bill - if I sent the payment) They are very keen that we set up a Direct Debit.... Im cautious. I've paid my EUC bill but am concerned about setting up direct debits - and giving carte blanche to a desperate organisation to take money from the 'good payers' to fill the gaps of the 'non payers'..... Ive attached edited parts of my email below:

Regards to all Forum Members and I hope you have a great festive season... at the end the EUC is just some organisation, what is most important is that most people love being at CE, as we do.

Jon


Dear xxxxx

Thank you for the reply - and your kind offer of help.

I have paid my bill as a friend was paying and did mine at the same time. I am nervous about a Direct Debit... I am a good payer. BUT I know that many will not pay their bills. I do not want to be given extra charges because other non-payers aren't paying. With a direct debit they can take what they like. It is not a legal requirement to pay by direct debit.

Please can you answer the following questions

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Without the Martinsa Fadesa payment coming in soon and continuing regularly the EUC will fail - because the rest of the good payers will not want to pay the bills of Martinsa Fadesa. Also many people are deciding not to pay as well.


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Hello Jon-Bxl,

Thank you for your answer.

I agree with some affirmations and not with others. Nevertheless, I respect totally your way of thinking.

- I am a good payer too. Nevertheless, I only pay when I think that his payment is just and legal. Evidently, this one is not the case.

- My fighting with the EUC is, only, why from my legal knowledge I know that his action is not legal. I assure him, that if someone demonstrates the opposite, I will pay immediately.

- I can understand that the people pay. I also understand that the people -as me- appeal, but I do not understand that, as you say, exist persons that "taking to 'wait and see' attitude".

- I want to calm him. Although you pay as Debit Direct, nobody can charge him anything that you do not wish. If with the quantities that membres, for example you, had paid, the EUC cannot work, it cannot charge him any more bills. Don´t worry, it will not happen.

- I inform you that MF HAS NOT PAID ANYTHING: NEITHER IBI, NOR COMMUNITY, NOR EUC´s BILLS. Logically, it has not resorted either. You say "With 2 seats on the board I hope that Martinsa Fadesa (MF) has already paid their bills. They have to also set the best example". I agree it. I do not understand how there can be debtors sat in the board.

- I am totally in opposition to the Mayor of Ayamonte. I do not have political interest. Nevertheless, THE MAYOR CONSENTS THE FACT THAT MF DOES NOT PAY ANYTHING. He has the legal obligation to demand that MF pays. Nevertheless, he is sat together with two members in the EUC board.

- He can (or he has to do) the following actions: 1) to demand from MF the payment of ALL his obligations; 2) to come to the judicial route (as the Communities) to claim the payments; 3) to execute the guarantees that the Town Hall has as 6.000.000 Euros. In spite of being the unique person in the whole Ayamonte that can act and solve this situation, he doesn´t do anything. .

- I have requested that execute the guarantees of 6 million Euros, and I am waiting yet... This for me is the most intolerable thing.

- I agree with you: "BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT SOURCE OF INCOME IS MARTINSA FADESA - as they own so many properties. If the EUC/town hall is not seen as agressively going after this high priority and essential money - how can they expect the average person to have any confidence in paying! In one hit the Town Hall gets a HUGE sum of money from MF". Every day, the hole is bigger.

- The passiveness (and not action) of the Mayor is doing that I think that exists "interested" between the Town Hall (or the Mayor) and MF. I do not want to think badly, but I do not find another explanation.

- I am also worried for that the people do not know anything of the EUC. I cannot answer him about the people who before was taking part in the forum. I discovered it does very little.

- I want to clarify four things: 1) I believe that the EUC is illegal, motivate for that I appeal the bills; 2) I worry that members of the EUC do not know anything on the this problem 3) I want major activity of the Mayor on MF, all of us will never be able to do anything, only he can; 4) I do not have any political interest. My interest is: Coast Esuri.


I ask for a favor him: if the Administrators answer his letter, can you give me a copy of the answers?. You do very interesting questions to them.

Regards,

SL

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Having followed this thread with interest, particularly Spanish lawyer's contributions, I am often left very puzzled by the considerable inconsistency in the level of his mastery of English, which varies from almost perfect to pretty poor. Without in any way questioning the sincerity of his comments, perhaps he might explain the wavering levels of his written English.

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Is he a licensed Spanish Lawyer or just a name ?

If he is then maybe he should add a bit in his signature like " This is not intended to be legal or professional advice in any jurisdiction "

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Has anyone read information about the AGM in the press - online or paper edition? (I thought I might have missed the announcement. Thanks.)

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I explain it to you, Iant. I do not use the English in my daily life. My English level changes according to the time that I dedicate to writing the post. If I have a lot of time, attempt that my grammar and my vocabulary are correct.

Nevertheless, I indicate two things to you: 1) I am happy to know that sometimes my writting English is almost perfect; 2) I am sad that you concentrate how I write and not what I write.

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I am lawyer and I am spanish. I believe that you are not going to teach my profession to me, jdr. I have enough years of profession.

Do not be how to make clear that I do not have interest to explain what I know. You are out of Spain and you do not know the Spanish Law. When I started writing here, my intention was that the not resident members of the EUC (to which I belong) had knowledge of the facts like any Spanish members.

To write here makes me lose a lot of time (I have said often that I know my english writting is not good. I am sorry, but I to strive to do writting in order that you can understand me). Persons like you do that I think "why are I writing here?. If they do not know what happens it is his problem".

I am the privileged one. I am spanish (although I do not live in Ayamonte), I am a lawyer, and I have full knowledge of what it happens in the EUC. My conscience indicates me that you, which also are members of the same EUC as me, have to have the same knowledge like spanish members. If unit does not exist among the members of the EUC, it will be complicated to improve it.

Maybe, (only maybe) you are not interested that the rest of members of this forum is the news of the EUC.

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There are no anything in the press why EUC did not send the notification. Nevertheless, these notification existed.

Your you can call LGC and ask about this.

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FINALLY, GOOD NEWS!!!!

THE CANDIDATE FOR BEING A MAYOR FOR THE PARTIDO POPULAR, ALBERTO FERNÁNDEZ, REQUESTED OFFICIALLY THE EXECUTION OF ALL GUARANTEES OF CORRECT EXECUTION THAT THE TOWN HALL TAKES AS A VALUE GIVES MORE GIVE 6 MILLION EUROS AND THAT THE CURRENT MAYOR HAS NOT WANTED TO EXECUTE.

IF THE CANDIDATE FOR MAYOR TO FORCE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THESE GUARANTEES, WE ARE GOING TO ACHIEVE THAT THIS 6 MILLION EUROS ARE DESTINED IN FINISHING COSTA ESURI.

EVIDENTLY, WITH 6 MILLION EUROS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO END THE PROJECT OF COSTA ESURI, BUT IT WILL BE ABLE TO FINISH THE WORKS OF CERTAIN IMPORTANT PARTS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE ROAD ONES ARE IN A PITIFUL CONDITION. IF THEY FINISH, THE TOWN HALL CAN SIGN HANDOVER CERTIFICATE (OR ACKNOWELDGMENT REPORT– IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO TRANSLATE THE LEGAL “ACTA DE RECEPCIÓN”) AND WE, ALL THAT WE BELONG TO THE EUC, PAY HIS MAINTENANCE.

I HAVE ALWAYS SAID (A PREVIOUS POST IS AN EXAMPLE) THAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE MAYOR DOES NOT EXECUTE THE GUARANTEES. TO HAVE MONEY TO END PART OF THE URBANIZATION AND NOT TO USE IT IS, IN MY OPINION, A STUPIDITY.

I KNOW ALBERTO FERNÁNDEZ BECAUSE HE IS LAWYER TOO. HE IS A YOUNG, GOOD PROFESSIONAL, HONEST, AND VERY SOCIABLE BOY. I DID NOT KNOW THAT HE WAS SO INVOLVED IN THE PROBLEM OF COSTA ESURI. SOON I WILL TRAVEL TO AYAMONTE AND I WAIT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH HIM BECAUSE I WANT TO BE GRATEFUL FOR HIS EFFORTS.

I HOPE THAT THE POLITICAL INTERVENTION OF PARTIDO POPULAR (PRINCIPAL OPPOSITION PARTY) FORCES TO THE TOWN HALL TO DEMAND FROM MARTIN FADESA THAT IT DOES HIS DUTY AND OBLIGATIONS.

I AM HAPPY. I HAVE HOPES THAT THIS FACT IS THE FIRST STEP IN ORDER THAT COSTA ESURI IMPROVES. MAYBE, ON 28TH DECEMBER, DAY THE PLENARY SESSION OF THE TOWN HALL IN WHICH THIS REQUEST OF EXECUTION WILL BE VOTED, WILL BE THE BEGINNING OF THE CHANGE!!!!.

I THINK IT IS VERY GOOD NEWS.

REGARDS

SL

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Right on SL we are right behind you in this and I hope to meet you on Esuri one day.

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Unfortunately, I don´t live in Ayamonte. I wait to be able to live there soon. This is my dream. But I will be happy to meet you when both will be on Costa Esuri. I believe that there is necessary the unit and the good relation of all the members of the EUC.

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Thanks for that Spanish-lawyer; but you have to understand that there a lot of scams on forums such as this one, with people hiding behind more than one name, sometimes out of pure mischief, but also on occasions for less innocent reasons, and one of the giveaways can be inconsistency of language.
Iant

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If the word "scam" is translated as "estafa" in spanish (I have used a dictionary!) - which in Spain is a crime-, you do not worry: I will ask for money!!!.

In Spain, at least, the scams implies patrimonial prejudice. I only will report of what I know.

I understand perfectly that the anonymity can make doubt the intentions of the people. If I was in his situation, I would think the same.

The worst thing is that I, in the past, had an English high level, but when you do not use every day a language, you lose the grammar, the vocabulary… (and I am not going to tell him to listen it!!!)

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I feel the time has come to reflect on where we are in respect of the Costa Esuri EUC.

What should have happened?

As I understand it, Spanish Law calls for an EUC to be established for an urbanisation project such as Casta Esuri after a handover certificate has been signed by the local authority representative. This is done when the local authority is satisfied that all the features called for in the planning agreement between it and the contractor involved, have been provided to an acceptable standard. Clearly this process has not been followed at CE. Presumably this is the basis of the illegality claim of the Spanish Lawyer, although this is not altogether clear because of his English language limitations.

What has happened at CE?

It would appear that when MF went into administration the Mayor of Ayamote saw that the upkeep of the areas of the urbanisation external to the inter-communities would fall to the Ayamonte ratepayers. To counter this he established the CE EUC ahead of any acceptance certificate been signed.

Where does that leave us?

On the positive side, 120 - 150€ per year is a small price to pay for ensuring that we have an acceptable CE environment external to the inter-community areas, in terms of features such as roads, green grass/trees, street lighting, not to mention roundabouts with pretty lighted fountains.

On the negative side, why should MF get away with not providing the features called for in the planning agreement, and also paying for the upkeep of the urbanisation, for the next five years or so, while waiting for this. MF is not bankrupt but in administration. Indeed, as I understand it, the administrator's independent assessment is that their assets are greater than their debts, and that their problem is their lack of cash flow caused by their assets being tied up in unsold houses. Also, is there not a six millon euro pledge in being? It seems to me that the Mayer should have pushed MF to complete thier project (would this have given us a competed commercial centre and hotel, rather than the current monstrosities?), instead of giving them an out in the form of an established EUC.

What am I going to do abut it?

Very little, I'm afraid. Regretfully, I've already paid my 2009 EUC bill (but as with Jon, I've not signed a direct debit agreement). What is needed is for all owners (Spanish, British and any others) to get together and operate with one voice, and I really admire what Spanish Lawyer has done in trying to achieve this. However, I'm too remote, cannot speak Spanish, and probably too old to help very much. However, I will attempt to get to the meeting in February now that its scheduled when I can afford the air fare. If there, I will attempt to have my say, for whatever good that will be, particulary as I understand that there will be no English interpreters provided. I will also continue to monitor this forum (it nothing else it provides me with excellent entertainment)

Taff

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I feel the time has come to reflect on where we are in respect of the Costa Esuri EUC.

What should have happened?

As I understand it, Spanish Law calls for an EUC to be established for an urbanisation project such as Casta Esuri after a handover certificate has been signed by the local authority representative. This is done when the local authority is satisfied that all the features called for in the planning agreement between it and the contractor involved, have been provided to an acceptable standard. Clearly this process has not been followed at CE. Presumably this is the basis of the illegality claim of the Spanish Lawyer, although this is not altogether clear because of his English language limitations. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU HAVE EXPLAINED CORRECTLY THE PROCESS. ONLY A SMALL EXPLANATION TO COMPLETE THE PERFECT EXPLANATION: AFTER (NOT BEFORE) THE HANDOVER CERTIFICATE HAS BEEN SIGNED IS WHEN THE EUC MUST BE CREATED AND ALL YOUR MEMBERS (WE) HAVE TO PAY THE MAINTENANCE.

What has happened at CE?

It would appear that when MF went into administration the Mayor of Ayamote saw that the upkeep of the areas of the urbanisation external to the inter-communities would fall to the Ayamonte ratepayers. To counter this he established the CE EUC ahead of any acceptance certificate been signed.THIS IS ILLEGAL. WE, THE MEMBERS OF THE EUC, DO NOT HAVE TO SUPPORT WHAT IS NOT ENDED OF CONSTRUCTING. THE MAYOR, HAD (AND HAVE) TO DEMAND TO MF TO FINISH COSTA ESURI. NEVERTHELESS, INSTEAD OF FULFILLING HIS OBLIGATIONS AND FORCING MF, HE HAVE DEDICATED TO ASKING FOR MONEY TO US.

Where does that leave us?

On the positive side, 120 - 150€ per year is a small price to pay for ensuring that we have an acceptable CE environment external to the inter-community areas, in terms of features such as roads, green grass/trees, street lighting, not to mention roundabouts with pretty lighted fountains.

On the negative side, why should MF get away with not providing the features called for in the planning agreement, and also paying for the upkeep of the urbanisation, for the next five years or so, while waiting for this. MF is not bankrupt but in administration. Indeed, as I understand it, the administrator's independent assessment is that their assets are greater than their debts, and that their problem is their lack of cash flow caused by their assets being tied up in unsold houses. Also, is there not a six millon euro pledge in being? It seems to me that the Mayer should have pushed MF to complete thier project (would this have given us a competed commercial centre and hotel, rather than the current monstrosities?), instead of giving them an out in the form of an established EUC. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THIS. WHY DOESN´T HE IS REQUIRED TO MF AND IF TO US?. WHY DOES NOT HE EXECUTE THE GUARANTEES OF 6 MILLION EUROS OF MF?. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND SO MANY PROTECTION TO MF. HIS FUNCTION IS TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS, NOT TO MF.
What am I going to do abut it?

Very little, I'm afraid. Regretfully, I've already paid my 2009 EUC bill (but as with Jon, I've not signed a direct debit agreement). What is needed is for all owners (Spanish, British and any others) to get together and operate with one voice, and I really admire what Spanish Lawyer has done in trying to achieve this. However, I'm too remote, cannot speak Spanish, and probably too old to help very much. However, I will attempt to get to the meeting in February now that its scheduled when I can afford the air fare. If there, I will attempt to have my say, for whatever good that will be, particulary as I understand that there will be no English interpreters provided. I will also continue to monitor this forum (it nothing else it provides me with excellent entertainment). YOU HAVE HELPED ME!!!. FINALLY, I HAVE THE SENSANTION THAT SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS THAT IT HAPPENS. WHEN I KNOW THE DATE OF THE MEETING, I PROMISE TO INFORM THEM. I HOPE THAT THE MAYOR COMMUNICATES IT IN ADVANCE, THIS WAY MORE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO GO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH

Taff

THANK YOU VERY MUCH

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All well and good if you are, but you should still tell people that this is just your views and not legally given information, I am sure you would not liked to be sued if you have given wrong information as you are posting as a Spanish Lawyer.
But then as you have had years in the profession you will be aware of this. ;);)
It is always good policy to put a disclaimer on the advice given if you are in a professional position.

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How?. If you believe that my information IS NOT CORRECT, you must correct me. I do not express an opinion, I do not advise either, I report. There are a difference among the verbs.

I believe that I am not even neither his lawyer or that of any member of this forum.

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It maybe correct, but as a professional you need to tell people it is your opinion and not legal advice, in case other people follow your leads and end up in trouble with the council and the Mayor who you say is also a Spanish Lawyer.

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I repeat you: I DO NOT ADVISE, I DO NOT OPINION, I REPORT.

My information is absolutely true. If your you believe that it is not, you must correct me.

Please, do not say to me how I have to do my work. In any case, I do not write as lawyer. I return to say that I am not lawyer of anybody of the forum.

I do not know a lawyer of Ayamonte, or Huelva that: 1) has had a judgment with the Mayor; 2) has seen the Mayor in a Court.

If it is true that he studied Law, which does not mean to be a lawyer. At least in Spain, this is very different.

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Spanish Lawyer
Please do not take any offence as I am sure that JDR means no offence. It's just that in the UK if someone states that they are an expert (eg a lawyer) and offers advice or opinion which another person acts upon which later turns out badly then the relying party can often have a case against the expert. (possibly it is the same in Spanish law?)
I think what JDR suggests is that in order to protect yourself - and any others who might act following your comments and opinions - you should add a disclaimer (possibly in your signature) which states that the information that you provide is just for information and that you cannot be held responsible for any consequent actions.
Hope this helps
Mike J :)

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Thank you SL for your reporting. I'm finding it all very interesting. Kim

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Hi Mike J!!!

I do not take offence!!!. I want to do several explanations for all those persons to whom I am grateful for his spirits:

- I am lawyer, but I do not act as lawyer in this forum. Nobody has contracted my services (that I know!). Mike, in Spain "every person is responsible for his acts. Lawyers, or others proffesionals, are not responsibles about since other persons can act". If I say to you: Mike steals a bank, and you steal it. The guilty are you, not me. I do not know Uk's Law, but here (though there are other figure different of the author of the acts) the one who does a criminal act, assumes the consequences. It seems that in UK is different.

- To calm to the whole world: I AM NOT GOING TO STOP COMMENTING ON THIS FORUM. Lament that my commentaries are not agreeable to the whole world.

- All commentaries of this forum, and the received ones in my mail, make me have more force in my fight in favour of the legality. Thank you very much!!!!!!!.

- Next Wednesday (I hope) I will be in Ayamonte. I have called Alberto Fernández, the candidate for the Mayor by the Partido Popular, and have asked for him to speak with him about Costa Esuri. I promise to report on the conversation. Advance: he has said to me (by phone) that there are many irregularities on Costa Esuri that he is going to chase.

I hope to help.


SL

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Thank you Kim. I am going to continue informing what I know on CE. I hope that, besides interesting, it is useful for all!!!.

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Hear hear, I am glad that there is someone like you who takes the time and effort in informing us, and in taking up the fight!

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I second that.

Spanish Lawyer is providing us with invaluable information that we would otherwise not know about as the lack of communication is dire. I am glad that SL will not stop posting and the English used is far better than most peoples Spanish, mine included. So lets stop the silly comments about how the writing is and asking for disclaimers as we have a choice either take the advice given or don't and remember we are dealing with Spanish Law and not English.

Lets show appreciation and support to someone who is giving their time and information with passion as without it we would not know what is going on.

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Glad at least you know you have a choice, others may take it as kosher.
When you have been here long enough you will realize Spanish law comes in a brown envelope and the biggest one is the decider. ;-) ;-)

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They whole world revolves around brown envelopes, upfront rebates whatever you want to call them but the information that SL is providing is necessary especially when you have a holiday home on CE and information from the EUC is limited.

You are right that everyone should always be cautious but so far SL has provided information and not 'touted' for business. Even the Presidents on CE are frustrated with lack of information as they want to provide facts to the owners and keep them up to date.

People will either choose to read this thread or not and then make a decision based on a lot of shared opinions. Without this Forum owners would be non the wiser about CE.:confused_smile:

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How many of these owners turn up at the meetings ?
This is where everything should start from, questions asked, proposals put forward and voted on.
The presidents are the only ones with legal clout to achieve anything, if they are not supported then it is hard work for them.
In the end it is the owners that should vote the president in, tell him what they need and who to employ to do these services, as agreed in a democratic vote at the meetings.
I am sorry but if you think moaning on a forum is going to help in any way then you are very mistaken.

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Well said JDR - if it's down to brown envelopes then we owners don't stand a chance - we couldn't even organise a post card :embarrassed_smile:

The only way to get things changed is through the process. The EUC board will have to stand for re-election soon - it's up to us owners to mandate the presidents and get them to vote in a more representative board and working committees.
And pay the dues and taxes!! - most of this problem has been caused by the failure of owners to pay their community dues, IBI, local taxes etc (Of course MF is the biggest debtor but there are lierally hundreds of others - I saw the sheet at the ayuntimiento). The Mayor, quite reasonably, doesn't see why his taxpaying citizens should pay for absentee owners at CE and the EUC is one way of raking in some cash to cover the costs. Quite apart from the politics and shenanigans of the EUC creation, in principle it could be a useful orgainisation. If only it was more transparent and accountable I suspect that many people would drop their opposition.
Take a look at http://www.calahondaeuc.com/index_eng.php for an example of an EUC which is working for it's owners - this would be great in CE.

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Firstly I am not moaning. I find some of the comments previously made unkind especially as someone is providing information that the 'elected committee' fall short on.

With regards to the Presidents they are provided with the same information as everyone else, zero. If they have the legal clout that you suggest then surely they would have been invited to attend the original meeting that was set up and been able to vote in a democratic way, this did not happen. Since that meeting there have not been any official correspondence sent out for them to pass on to the owners.

My previous comments have been to show support to someone who is willing to raise their head above the parapet. I know that the EUC is an important aspect of CE as it requires money to continue it's development, however, that does not mean that we should continue to hand over money without understanding what it is we are getting back.

A forum is for people to express their views and opinions not to be shot down. Yes be cautious, but lets be democratic and listen to both sides.

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There are somthing like 950 individual plots and each of those is entitled to attend in their own right and would love to do so except that they usually tell us aftyer the event or cancel if they have given us advance notice and again don't tell In short their comms are CRAP.

On a separate tack I have just read the "Resident" online and they have very heartening news on the Huelva airport and more important for us progress on the Marina at Puente Esuri!

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I know what you are saying John, but it cannot be sorted by individuals, it has to be done by the presidents and these have to be told by the owners.
It is up to the presidents to demand a meeting with this company that think they are running the community and put them in the picture that you owners are in charge and will work out what you need and who will do it for you.
Fadesa can`t expect the owners there now to finance their properties too, which is what it looks like they are trying to achieve at the moment, the longer you hang about the worse it is going to get.

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Hi SL + forum - Good News about the EUC. I read this last night but wanted to check again to see if I wasn't dreaming :)

Firstly I'd like to re-iterate that I see you as a great help to the forum regarding the EUC. Thank you. One has to be careful taking advice on a public forum, and there are sometimes valid suspicions as well. My friend wanted to check the appeal you recommended with a Spanish Lawyer and it was just fine. After the very upsetting experiences I had with my lawyer, the most upsetting experiences I have had from a so-called 'professional' this 'free help' from you is a breath of fresh air. But please understand that people should check for themselves, before committing to any information learned from any public forum. It is not a criticism to the poster.

Regarding English, I speak French daily, but writing is a different matter. A 'normal' French email I can do quickly and thus make many mistakes. Yesterday I had to write an 'official letter' and it took a long time to get it right (as possible), use Google and ask my wife or friends for help. If you've gone to that extra trouble for the important posts (like the appeal) - that's a bigger 'thank you' for the trouble you take in writing another language.

We are in full agreement regarding our huge concerns about the EUC - without any decent communication from them - these concerns can become suspicions as well. We also agree that this has been mismanaged from the beginning, and both don't see how they will get the money they need, and importantly, how they will get the BIGGEST chunk of money from MF. Our approach is different however, you have the skills and knowledge to take this on. I don't. I have paid the bill, as I don't have the time to fight this battle - when I am abroad and have other priorities. So I paid up to save hassle - and to keep me in the clear. The sum was low, so I let my principles slip on this one... THANK you again for the work you do in informing the forum. I know we respect each others approach.

Regarding the Mayor, I cant say anything positive or negative about him, I just don't try and understand the local politics 2500kms away. I do believe however that it is positive that an Ayamonte mayor is on the board of EUC. We are a huge development and to have involvement and a 'direct line' to the head of the town hall must be a good thing.

Also, I don't expect him to be involved with the day to day running of the EUC - he has other responsibilities. So I don't blame him for all the the mis-communication and structural problems of the EUC that we've discussed a lot.

However as the president he has other responsibilities - to run a 'clean' organisation, and make sure that MF commitments are kept and to push for the best service we can receive for our money. He must be seen as protecting the 'normal person' or 'the small guy' - especially when 'big business' is at fault in e.g non-payment of critically important bills. This is where you have a great of knowledge and background and your comments about the way the EUC has acted and the way it is run is very disturbing.

It is great news that the opposition is going to push for reconciliation of MF debts - this may lead to a proper and aggressive push on MF to make good several millions of debt and promised commitments. This is what we all need - as I mentioned in my earlier post. I hope the opposition pushes on all these 2 fronts:

1. Collection of ALL 4 failed debts. IBI, Intercommunity, Community and EUC
   
2. Also if there are such deep concerns - the opposition should also review the whole CE set up and the links between the key players.. if there is any suspicion of 'wrong doing' it didnt just start a month ago when it was time to send out the EUC bills!

A question though... MF are still in bankruptcy hearings and administration. My understanding is that they don't have a 'pot of money' yet and there is a big debtors list of people wanting their money. Once an aggressive push is made (hopefully) for the 1) failed 6m payments, 2) the failed IBI non-payments, 3) the failed Inter community payments and 4) the failed community payments... when can we expect to see the money? Someone told me they have EIGHT YEARS to pay up. I don't know, but if this is the case - we still have a huge problem. The politicians may fight it and each other - but we are immediately and critically affected by late payment.

Thanks for the advice about the Direct debit (DD), even though you are against the EUC, its good to see that the DD isn't a concern. However I still feel edgy about it, I don't use DD a lot e.g my inter+community payments, and in fact pay them well in advance to make sure I stay positive. Perhaps I can re-consider that, as paying when I am not there incurs an extra charge for me. However we have already had to pay 2 additional charges to cover non MF payments here (with a promise of a refund 'sometime'). Without DD at least I can make a decision without an auto-payment. I understand your argument, normally we receive a bill in advance and we have time to consider it before the DD is activated (allowing us to cancel it)... but the experience we had with the EUC is troubling i.e no communication, late bills and no time to respond. Many people have not even received bills and certainly haven't seen them. I might be away when a bill comes in and so not have time to cancel the DD. I'll reconsider it however as a result of your post.

I haven't had any response from L+G from my questions (in my last post) that I think are valuable and important questions for all residents. I've resent it and will wait to see if I get a response. I hope L+G are professional and respond to decent questions from their clients... i.e us that are asked to pay their bill!

I realise that for you this EUC issue is very important and thank you for championing it. I was surprised that you don't live here, but glad that you want to, and if you are ever on a house hunting trip - or in Ayamonte - it would be good to have lunch and perhaps even laugh about it all :) As bad as it is for us with the huge fall in house prices, its good news for you - so come and join the CE community! :)

Happy Christmas to all

Jon

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Wish I could have wriiten such an excellent reply.....my feelings mirrored !
Thanks Jon and SL and everyone who has written on the subject.

Eva at L & G has been helpful and I have paid the EUC bill (that I have not seen!) via a bank transfer to settle up to date but have not organised a DD, I will see about that when I am next out there. Other then Eva's email to obtain payment I have to say, as we all agree, the lines of communication are dreadful. L & G as our admin company should be instructed by the board to keep us informed. Let us hope that at the next meeting there will be a move towards more openess. Please can I suggest to all that, as JDR says, send an email, phone, write to your President (plot holders cannot of course they have a direct line) and ask him/her to attend the next EUC meeting and let him know your views. If he or she cannot go ask them to give their proxy vote to the Vice Pres. Let us not just lie down and pay up....pay up YES but have your views known. We all want CE to grow and prosper but our money must be well spent and M Fadesea MUST pay and we should not be subsidising others who may be thinking of not paying. Phew ..rant over !

Merry Christmas to you all and here's to many lovely stress free and relaxing sunny holidays in CE in 2010.

Take care

Mel and John

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Thank you very much. I have been thinking:you be right. I only am going to write about the CE. I won't answer comments that I do not think this is important for CE.

I believe in the freedom. If someone does not want to read me, I will respect it.
I am going to continue writtind about our problem: CE.

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"28TH DECEMBER, DAY THE PLENARY SESSION OF THE TOWN HALL IN WHICH THIS REQUEST OF EXECUTION WILL BE VOTED"

I hope this isn't one big "inocente"?

Carol

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Noooo, I promise you: I true!!!!!.

I will tell how the meeting was.