No one I know wanted it ! its shit that has been forced on us !

Thanks to the millions of Toss-pots that voted that war criminal Blair in !]

If only we had a Tardis and did a poll, you know the answer !, it stares you in the face every time you accuse people of big racist or fachsist - so just be grateful you have been kind of accepted !

You can spend the next 50 years talking about the problems being caused by immigration. You can condemn and demonise this group or that for the way the behave or live. The facts of life are simply that we have to make the best out of what history has thrown us.
You cannot turn the clock back to what may or may not have been a better UK.
This topic is called " British Standards ", well face the facts they are changing, they have to change to match the needs of our changing society.
Immigrants will have to adapt and adopt as will the next generation of what we can call the " British ".
Perhaps one of the ways to define what some will call a rascist or fascist , putting to one side the real loonies is that they cannot or will not accept that the world as they know it and like it is coming to an end.
It may take decades or longer but it is happening and there is little we can do to stop that change.

Immigration is not a single issue as such. Each 'group' is different, illegal immigrants need obviously to be dealt with. Those from the EU are a separate potential problem. Economic migrants from outside Europe can be managed.
Then there are the large group and their descendents who came to the UK because they were asked to come and fill jobs after the war, whose countries had been invaded and looted during the empire (the subcontinent) and used as 'cannon fodder' during the last war or their ancestors brought as slaves to create British wealth (West Indies).
Yes "bygone" days but tell me why should these people and their descendents be insulted as "Shit" because a few people refuse to learn the history of their own country.

They were invited to come, but to work and earn a living, something that was not possible in their own country, but unlike slaves, they were free to return whenever they wanted, some have chosen to, the vast majority chose to stay. None of them has ever been forced to stay in UK, the door has always been wide open for those that feel they've been enslaved, so what's holding them back? Surely a life lazing under a coconut tree smoking pot is much more attractive than driving a London bus?

As I said above 'lumping' all together. I cannot comment regarding West Indians. What are you saying if they stay in UK they should be ready to put up with insults???

A great many of those from Subcontinent did return and particularly India where particularly those who 'hold up' the NHS could have earned far more in their original country.
Why then did they stay?? a number of reasons, too many to explain here but also because the majority of British people you may be surprised do recognise their worth and are not insulting!!!!

Hold on, is that what they said? The slave comment was quite clearly aimed at the wealth generated in the Americas (WI's included in that). Nice switch around in argument, you sure you're not a woman?

Did I say that? Don't remember saying that or anything like it, but feel free to make it up as you go along if you think it enhances your argument.

The slave comment was clearly in the same sentence as he mentioned UK, create British wealth and West Indies, nowhere is there any reference to USA. Anyway, I've leave you pair to it, before you start calling me a "t**t". By the way, how do you consistently get away with your insults when others are banned for far more trivial matters?

My post was in response to the previous post on immigrants; quote "Its shit has been forced on us!".

My response was not an argument, I was pointing out the fact that 'immigrants' comprise many disparate groups. Many being asked to come.

Your response of "they" (unspecified) could go back if they wanted to I took to mean if they don't like being called "shit" back to where they came from. You are correct in that! but the indigenous people who think in those terms are actually a minority.(Unless you read expat forums)

PS I am a she not a he.

That,s the quality of debate now on BE. Twist the words and pull the racist card, mix in a bit of history ......and they're off

oh Jacky, you are coming round to my way of thinking


I know we have had some torrid debates over the past couple of years, but I do think that BES has sunk to new levels

I pointed out 'twice' that the majority of British people are not racist!
As I asked previously, when did 'today' start and 'history' end?

May I ask if you consider all immigrants as 'them/they a single entity or do you accept that for some, their reason for being immigrants is due to events in our 'history'.

A little closer to Spain. There are thousands of people from Goa in Swindon
why! because the occupation of Goa by the Portuguese didn't end until 1961 53 years ago!! is that history. They were then eligible for Portuguese passports and therefore are now EU immigrants. Not sure why they all went to Swindon??

and if you look at the BE Goa Forum there are many British people complaining about not being able to emigrate to Goa

Why was pointing out facts about different immigrant groups and their origins sinking to new levels??

read the thread not just your own posts, sit back with a strong cup of tea made from leaves from a former colonial outpost, and think about it.

then ask yourself how far the thread has deviated from its origins and what you can do to help it back.

regards

I don't think it has! many Indian people stayed in UK because of the world wide reputation of its education system and because it was less rigid than the tests/exams system of India.