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That is where English the first or second language ?

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Saw on the BBC today that one in nine schools in the UK have a majority of pupils who do not speak english as a first language. All these schools get extra money for specialist teachers etc.

Don't know about a referendum on Europe there should be one to ask citizens if we want the whole culture of the Nation changing.

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Just some statistics a little out of date but the trends have continued.

http://www.ethnicity.ac.uk/education/gcses.html

Having a first language other than English does not mean that the child cannot also speak English. All of my little great nieces and nephews in India start to speak English from the age of 2/3yrs for school, they speak also Konkani or Marathi.
I think the main language problem in the UK schools is the children now coming in larger numbers from Europe. Is that what you mean by culture change?

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Whatever it is we should not be pandering to them. :angry_smile:

Secondly I accept that your comments earlier and above and maybe its the teaching of English that is the problem, and why those children who are not taught it first are better in exams later in life.

It would be interesting to compare your quotes with those Chinese and Indian kids who are taught Enlgish as a first language.

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Should be wanting children in UK to be growing up thinking that this is acceptable, as this I suspect is what they would be taught in Islamic classes.

Austrian rape victim was arrested for having sex outside of marriage in UAE when she reported the crime... and told she had to MARRY her attacker
29-year-old was arrested when she reported that her attacker had raped her
She faced a jail sentence for having 'extra marital sex' and drinking alcohol
Austrian Foreign Ministry put together a crisis team to free her
260,000 people signed a petition supporting her attempts at freedom

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-attacker.html

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I am not quite sure I understand your post. Pandering to who?

My comments are really about the previous posts denigrating, quote---
"The Asians"
I am trying to point out that they are from different countries and have different "Cultures" if you must use the word.

Middle class indian children at home are not specifically taught English, they learn together with their own language by rhymes, TV, general talk etc.

In UK it seems some people just see a "brown" an "Asian", and think of them all the "same".
They don't wear placards around their necks stating "I/my parents/grandparents and thousands of others were invited here to fill jobs, we all speak English" as well as our own particular language.

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It was in response to your comment to culture change RE J2's comment.

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I get your point about the use of Asian. An Indian woman who worked for us said she hated being thought of as a Paki. I don't see how there could be another word to use seeing as we cannot tell the difference unless knowing the person. What's in a name anyway. Most ethnic countries have their own names for whites!

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This took place in UAE in Dubai. The Middle east. A regime with a particularly strict Islamic code. Why would this be relevant to the UK??

Yes there are I imagine such teachings in some Muslim groups in UK.
Such teaching I would think would be condemned by most Muslims.

(Although I think perhaps most UK parents of whatever origin would be against extra marital sex and alcohol for their children if they were able to have any control;))

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Yes, I am. At least numbers of immigrants from other countries have to fulfil certain criteria and restrictions. The immigrants from EU countries are uncontrollable

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You are actually confirming what I said previously, to many "they are all the same".
In fact Muslims, Hindus, Pakistanis, Indians even their region of origin can be recognised at a glance.


No shame whatever for the average UK person not to know these things, my point is that if you are going to criticise or denigrate in public, learn a little first.
As your friend said "A name" can be insulting.
It is also a two-way thing explanations should come from the other side also, as I used to say to one of my children "how will they know how to pronounce your name unless you tell them"?

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I bet the ancient Brits complaned about the Romans, and the Romano British about the Angles and then the Danes.
The Anglo Saxon complained about the Normans,then the English compalined about the Huegenots, then the Irish, then the Jews, Then the Poles and Hungarians. Then those from the empire and commonwealth etc ad naseaum.
Now we have eastern Europeans.The UK has always been subjected to changes from immigrants and it will continue.
Some may not like it but there is little that can or will ever be done about it.
In 10 years times the eastern eurpeans who are settled in the UK will be among those complaining about the next wave of immigrants whover they may be.
Possibly white South Africans fleeing chaos in their own country. who knows.??

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If you "can't tell the difference" maybe it would be better to avoid using such terms?

And what are "ethnic countries" exactly?

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Says a lot doesn't it? Can't tell where they came from so call them all Pakis.:rolleyes:

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why not ask Sainsburys/Tesco/Morrisons et al why they have shelves marked as containing "Ethnic Foods"

although i am in Spain and enjoy being able to buy things like Heinz Tomatoe Ketchup, Bisto and Tetley Tea here I don't see them on special shelves for "Ethnic Foods".

Is that because British isn't about Ethnics or just that Spain doesn't recognise it??