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Ah compulsory integration, but what if it was the other way round? Is there any point in people scrimping and saving to buy a property in an area that is perceived as being decent and with good schools?

Just over the border kids are bussed from all over the area to the excellent Lady Manners School situated in Bakewell, so kids from sink council estates in say, Chesterfield, are educated in Bakewell alongside kids from the Derbyshire stockbroker belt, subject to their IQ. It does actually have it's merits when you open your mind and consider it impartially.

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The quality of education provided should have nothing to do with the parents ability to live in any particular area.
If you think otherwise then pay for it.
We were council house kids who were lucky enough to pass the 11 plus ( still going then).
Who you were, where you came from,what colour etc etc had nothing to do with it.

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Why do you say "Dumb question"? Yes obviously children can be /are taken by bus to their nearest school.
Crookesey was inferring that children were being selected because of their nationality origin, to be transferred to another area. I had not heard of this happening in the UK so therefore enquired.

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I wear insults from EMR as badges of honour. :lol:

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Then you must have a lot of them then, like one of those american generals who has never seen the outside of a filing cabinet.

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All the bussing in of school children is a bit like BE.
Spain seems to be the gatheringpoint from as far as USA And Portugal, the latter as there is not enough of a platform to preach from, as there are a lot less and they are less vocal than Spain.

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They're not daft are they? ;)

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The Portuguese say that only bad things come from Spain, they are certainly not daft !!

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Exactly. I was lucky enough to get a place at a direct grant school (fees paid by the County Council, bus fares too - 3 buses each way - so I suppose you could say I was bussed there). It involved passing the school's own entrance exam as well as the 11+. Probably some of the parents who had to pay for their children to attend didn't think that was fair.

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As the left wing have started promoting educational equality, I recall that schools didn't vary that much in my day. I attended a grammar school that was situated on what is now a sink council estate. Teachers were strict and not phased by smart arses, I recall new teachers joining the school's staff from schools situated in far more salubrious areas. If us kids were to be punished for talking back to a teacher, we would be further punished by our parents.

It appears that these days schools in poor areas attract poor teaching staff, whilst the opposite occurs in better areas. I suggest that the folk who occupy our sink council estates are not that fussed about their kid's education, my council estate brought up late mother, was an ex Sheffield City Grammar School pupil, my late grandfather was offered a scholarship to grammar school, but was apprenticed to a Sheffield cutler in order to bring money into the home. Asian kids should have good schools in the areas that they reside, if they ended up being higher in the tables than schools in richer areas, you never know, the bussing might travel in the opposite direction. ;)

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I think you are right, in many cases. We knew a couple here with 2 children, and when they were preparing to leave Spain I was looking at Ofsted reports with the mother for schools in the area they were moving to (her husband's home town, where his family lived on a Council estate). When told that my friend didn't want the children to attend the nearest primary school as it had unsatisfactory ratings, but another, better school a little further away, her mother-in-law called her a snob and said it had been good enough for all her family. The quality of education didn't seem important.

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Ending streaming, the 11 plus call it what you will was a bad thing.
It has prevented the brighter kids from having the opportunity to get away from the " sink estate ".
What we have now are schools where kids are trapped parents in the " good areas " do not want children from the sink estates and kids in those schools get a lower level of education.
The ability to get a decent education should have nothing to do where you live.
those who cause problems at the so called " good schools " should be sent to one of the so called poor schools and their place taken by the bright children.
If nothing else this could scare the parents of those who could be displaced into working harder and behaving better.

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All fee paying schools have some free places for bright kids. They have to do to keep their charitable status.

OH went to a crap school, he had to leave at 15 to go in the mines, they had a big family and wanted the money. He saw sense when he grew up and went into further education and then to Uni. Opportunities are there.

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If I may say so, you seem stuck on the word "Asian", which as I tried to explain can mean a great many nationalities. Why do you assume all "Asian children" live in poor areas or all in the same area?
(I know that in some areas there are ghettos of Pakistani and Bangladeshi people living).
As I have pointed out Chinese and Indian children already top the exam. result tables.

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I mentioned 'Asian' once in my last post (bloody heck I'm not dead yet :eek:), what is your problem? :confused:

Chinese are Southeast Asian by the way.