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Worth a read

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/De...#axzz2h1yRaukY

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Its not just a school that just happens to be muslim that could be closed for poor standards.
Only a few weeks ago an english company running nursery schools closed due to lack of supervison.
But I would not expect you to report that,
What is positive is that whoever is running these new independent schools they are subject to supervision and inspection.
Should thread be moved from this section which is supposed to be for light relief ??

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Judging from the comments made, and what is required, it would seem that the school may well be in breach of many of the general requirements for UK schools, no matter whether they have religious connections or not. They seem to be in danger of losing funding, or even being closed down, which is what should happen to ANY school that breaks regulations.

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Yes it should have been closed down when the first complaints started. Girls sitting with their faces covered at the back of the class. The Town Councils have been ignoring all this stuff for decades for fear of being called Racists by the real bigots.:thumbdown:

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It is not against UK law for girls to wear the nicab or for sikhs to wear a turban or some jews to wear hats at all times and grow their hair in a particular way. These are rules of their religion or of their particular religious sect.
In the UK we tolerate religious freedoms and are a better country for it.
This discussion should only be about educational standards.
We have another discussion running about the brave girl who stood up against intolerance and ignorance .
A girl who attends a muslim school covers her head at all times and seems none the worse for it.
A bad school is just that be it C of E, Jewish, Catholic or Islamic.

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I think this case is a bit more serious that a 'supervision issue'.

The school is more akin to a madraas than an institution that belongs in the UK.

If these practices are going on then it doesn't take a great leap of faith to imagine what the curriculum was like.

A UK state funded should have a its core a solid rounded curriculum. Not a religion led curriculum

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Agree, infact I don't think religious schools should be allowed.

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While there seems to be a bit of clamping down on this sort of thing, I think the mosques where the Imans have offered to marry 14 years old girls to older men, should also be closed down.

Two people posing as the mother and brother went to 56 mosques to ask if the girl could be married at 14. They told the iman that the girl did not want to get married, but that made no difference to the 18 of the religious leaders who said they would do it.

One has advised the West Yorkshire police on community cohesion:o. What a joke, I bet he did not show his true colours then, or he would have been charged.

You could not make it up. Put the dirty bas****s in jail, perverts.:thumbdown::thumbdown:

http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/upd...-14-in-secret/

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Teachers are told to look for signs of abuse, and if a girl is covered, that can hide sign of a beating.

A great way of hiding cruelty in the home, and in some cases carte blanche to beat the hell out of "wayward" daughters with total impunity.:thumbdown:

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Me MEe if you are going to post please get it right.
Yes some Imans did say that under Sharia law they would marry 14 year olds,
BUT the Imans who actually run the mosques in question said that such marriages are unacceptable and that only UK law ( not Sharia ) applies.
At least one of the Imans in question has been suspended by the mosques in question.
Regarding religious schools would you close them all, Jewish, catholic, scottish free prebs. CoE etc etc.
I do not think that the muslim community needs any lessons in the prevention of child cruelty and abuse from any other in the UK.
I am sure that there are many parents of young english girls who wished their daughters had standards of behaviour and the morals of their muslim comtemporaries.
How many muslim girls get absolutly p**** and involve in drunken sex at weekends.
Have we really got everything right.

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l suppose not many indulge in drunken sex, of course the threat of honour violence may be a deciding factor.

Although Britsh girls do go way over the top in their behaviour, I am sure the threat of an Honour killing, with a plastic bag shoved down their throat until death, would curb such antics in a lot of cases.:thumbdown:

And no we have not got everything right, but a lot more right than those who control by these type of threats.

I suppose that it is a question of making the punishment fit the crime, I beleive if the drunks were picked up by the police, allowed to sober up, then made to clean up the mess outside the bars, it might improve matters.

I am afraid that the plastic bag method, though effective, has no place in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-killing.html

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I was trying to post a polite response but to be honest Me Me I feel sorry for you.
The content of many of your posts suggests that you are not happy with your life and are looking for anyone and anything to blame.
To me the colour, race or religion of anyone who abuses and inflicts violence on children is an irrelevance
If you start to focus on that one aspect you start ignoring that which is much closer to home.
You seem to have a paranoia about a small part of the UK population attributing isolated well reported acts to a whole community.
Would you accept such a mind set being applied to the native white society of the UK where abuse if anything is more widespread.
You quote the plastic bag what about setting fire to your children or cutting up a small girl and burning her remains in a fireplace.
These were acts of white men, in your mind do you also condemn all white men.

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You are totally wrong about my life, I love it, really love it.

I have 2 wonderful kids, both doing great in the UK, in good relationships and they are happy.

I have wonderful family and friends

I myself, do not work (no need), as I have a husband who brings home much more than the bacon.

We can go wherever we want, whenever we want, so don´t presume that I am not happy, just because I have a negative view of Islam.

Your argument about the child being killed and burned by a white man, might hold water, but the sad fact is, that the killer knows it was wrong, whereas the people that carry out honour killings in the name of Islam think they are right and justified in the abhorrent acts.

Defend Islam all you want, it won´t wash with me but, I have a strange feeling that you feel the same way, there is something is fishy about you.

You are not what you first appear to be.

Are you sure that you are not playing devils advocate, just so I post what you are actually thinking.

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You idea that white UK child killer know what they are doing is wrong fails because other wise why do they do it.
Is their perversion any less than someone who thinks in a way alien to us.
Is a man who repeatedly kills children for a sexual perversion to be regarded differently to a father who lacking the sophistication of our society carries out what in his mind is a justified honour killing.
You can educate the father to think differently which is what society should be doing then you can end those types of acts.

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EMR has already been exposed as a closet introverted racist. Like it's ok to come out with stereotypes of all Germans being linked to facism. He thinks that's ok cos they are white...he calls it HUMOUR. Now he uses smoke and mirrors to bring in any ole abuse...and of course sex and drunkenness. Alcohol is one of his pet subjects if you look back:thumbdown: He hates anything about the British way of life, a true bigot. Maybe he belongs to the Salvation army:rofl:

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We will never know the extent of child abuse in Muslim communities. Not exactly transparent are they:blink: When women are raped in the middle east they are often charged themselves.:huh:

There was this case this week.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24438375

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If your idea of the British way of life is bigotry, intolerance, drunken anti social behaviour that means we are a laughing stock where ever Brits in large numbers can be found.
Then you are right I want no part of your UK.
My idea of being a Brit is tolerance,acceptance of others behaving in a way that does not humiliate me or other Brits.
You keep attributing membership of organisations to me , unions and now the sali army.
Yet again you are wrong as in so many things.

Historical note for you, over 90% of the fathers and grandfathers of todays germans voted for the nazis.
This goes to prove what happens when you have a society where intolerance becomes the norm and its OK to target any minority and attribute blame to them for the problems in our society
If you study history many of the uneducated views about Islam from certain sections of the UK white population are similar to those held in Nazi germany regarding the Jews and other minorities.
Again that is a Britain I do not want to be part of.
There is more to fear in my Britain from these views than from a tiny % of the
Islamic population.

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For goodness sake people, get a grip. A TV prog is just that. They want to bring out the worst in most societies and it´s wrong.

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE be they black, white, or any religion should be vilified if they abuse or kill children.

You just seem so intent on knocking one another and also proving your opinion is right, that I think you have lost sight of what is important.

Sad to say, I know I will be knocked for this post. Do I care? No.

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Now I know what you are about, you want to educate us in the ways of Islam, thanks but no thanks.:blink:


I know all I ever want to know about it, from the honor killing, to the domestic abuse that comes from husbands, mother in laws, fathers, brothers, uncle Tom Cobley and all.

All I need to know about Islam is contained in this one sentence, said by a judge at an honour killing trial of the parents of Shafilea Ahmed.

Shafilea's conduct was bringing shame upon you, and your concern about being shamed in your community was greater than your love for your child."

Shameful isn´t it, this is the UK.

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:goodpost:

Rosemary

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Me Me, your views scare me and would scare any right thinking Brit.
You seem to revel in your ignorance, you quote the views of a judge about a family murder in the muslim community yet chose to ignore the shame of child death from many perverted reasons which are a disgrace to our society and carried out by members of the society you think is superior to all others.
What does the bible say " let he who is without sin cast the first stone ".
I have no religion and do not as you and so many other believe think that all the wrongs in the UK can be attributed to non Brits who at least have a faith unlike the majority of the established UK population.

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I think it is quite good that the majority of British don't have a "faith".

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I think you need to MAN UP.



And on that note, I shall wish you a good night.

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Stoning women can be found in the bible it was something that Islam took from the jewish and christian religion at that time. Like so many of their traditions. Like choping that hands of theives etc.
When was the last time a muslim women in England or Europe was stoned for adultery.
Everytime you apply our 21st century standards to parts of the world which are still liviing in the 14th century you reveal more of your ignorance.

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This is kind of my feeling too with where some of my posts went, I fell for it though.

I like you now ;)

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I've sent a link to this thread to the BNP.... I'm sure some of you will be getting your membership cards in the post soon.

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You must be some sort of criminal, then. "Pursuit of happiness" is not one of our entitlements. Everybody knows that only people who live outside the law enjoy such decadence.

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Like the very rich, bankers, corporate tax dodgers and big business.... I agree, well said.

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Gotta laugh.:rofl:

Not exactly criminal, but of course as people get hammered more and more they will look for "manoeveres" to combat it.

Although I have never quite understood the people who pay up without question or at least some fight, I find that people who claim to put the state and it tax laws above their own families "entitlement" as a bit suspect.

Maybe is should change my name to ME ME ME and MINE MINE MINE ( got in there before someone else does).

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No surprise. Anti-prosperity is practically the motto of socialists. After all, the best places in the world to be poor are the countries under socialist control, who are consistently the most vocal about condemning prosperity and attributing heroism to the poor that socialism breeds.

And yes, there is far less of that criminal wealth and prosperity in the ideal socialist world. The prosperous are limited to those few who rule. I reckon it's quite a privilege to "serve" the peasant population whilst enjoying exclusive wealth and power.

Happiness? What's that got to do with it? You're a worker bee, not a queen. Again, happiness is not amongst the many entitlements of socialism. Besides, in the ideal socialist world, no doubt the "rules" for happiness are written into law. When to smile, when not to, etc. You wouldn't want to break the law would you? There's penalties for that.

No worries, we're almost there - as long as we stay on this trajectory. It may take another 3 or 4 generations before we can truly be proud of living the noble humble existence our dear leadership imposes upon us.

Utopia. Finally. Just shut up and be happy that our dear leadership has it all sorted for you.

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AM in your utopia across the atlantic 24million have no health insurance or medicare
The average visit to hospital costs $1800.
If this is your view of an ideal society you can stuff it where the sun don,t shine.
We in the UK and much of the EU may not have got everything right but we are not denying those in need basic entitlements.
That is a British Standard I am proud of.

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No doubt you pride yourself on living in a democratic society, rather than one of the primitive theocracies you condemn. If so, your family's "entitlement" is to what is left of your income AFTER you have paid the taxes lawfully demanded of you by the democratically elected Government, to be blunt about it. Not to keep the lot because you feel you deserve it, or pay as much as you feel like and no more. If one of your family's businesses sent an invoice to a regular customer, how would you feel if you received a reply that said "we've paid our bills for 10 months already this year, as far as we're concerned that's enough so we're not paying for the other two"?

If you feel you're being taxed too highly then you do, of course, have the option to move to another country with a tax regime that's more acceptable to you. But (the elephant in the room having become too big to ignore) I just have to ask, if you want to be subject to UK taxation in the future, why don't you want to live there for 183 days a year, then there wouldn't be any ambiguity or difficulty, or need for any expensive professional advice, would there? You always seem so fond of the place.

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Does anyone else find endless sarcasm extremely tiresome and boring?

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The argument isn't about paying taxes. We all have to. That's not in dispute.

The argument is about the stigma of paying the world's highest taxes, and whether what we are receiving in return is what we pay for.

In truth, government is supposed to work for us, not the other way 'round. But here we are, not only paying more and more, but receiving less and less.

And despite the questionable nature of how our tax money is spent, there is and increasing view is that if you don't like it, then you should leave, or if you try to fight it, you're some sort of criminal for attempting to avoid getting reamed for excessive taxes, simply because tax collection is becoming so aggressive -

All of this is presumably to stop those "criminals" from avoiding the world's highest taxes, which, in combination with some very aggressive (and often unfair) tax collection tactics, give the population every motivation to avoid tax as much as legally possible. Not to mention the undeniable fact that it's those rich criminals who pay the vast majority of the expenses for our little utopia. Seems to me all us humble folk should be enthusiastically rallying for more people making 250K or more. They do, after all, pay the bills. Ironic at best. Besides, one of those major contributors (criminals) you rally in favour of could be you or your kids. Bet your views would be quite different then.

Right, then.

My view (as I elude to as often as possible) is that there is a historical pattern in all of this. I believe we are being led into a socialist state where we are obliged to live with less and less, whilst becoming increasingly subservient to the bureaucracy.

The government we pay dearly for is less and less working for us. In fact, we are increasingly working for the benefit of the government, which is becoming increasingly regulatory and dictatorial (especially in the case of the EU) and necessarily, less generous. 21% IVA is insane. We are giving more, but living with less and less, which suspiciously mirrors the historical results of socialism.

No, I'm not suggesting any stupid conspiracy. That would be giving our dear leaders much too much credit.

No, it's simply that socialism historically produces some pretty nasty side effects, the most obvious are destruction of prosperity (except for the ruling class, who become wealthy beyond belief), and the exhibition of more and more power over the population, an antithesis of democracy.

There are troubling signs that we're well on our way in that direction.. and even more troubling, unwittingly and naively supported by an increasing segment of the population.

We're humans. And even if you don't want to believe it, we're pretty self-centered as a matter of DNA. We want stuff. As long as we believe we're getting more stuff for "free", we'll enthusiastically go for it (just watch how the UK elections go - it will be reduced to a matter of who can promise more "free" stuff). But in truth, we're actually getting less and less and paying more and more for it.

We're collectively pretty naive. How many eagerly buy the "super size economy" box or bottle of something believing it's cheaper, although it turns out to be far more expensive than the "regular size regular priced" box or bottle?

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Who do you think you are, alluding to the fact that we don´t pay our taxes, you have got a cheek, lady.

Also you make it sound like a crime to seek advice on tax and residency matters, what a narrow minded person you are.

That is why tax advisors and financial planners exist in the first place.

As for the expense that you refer to, if an advisor can save more money than their service costs, then it is not expensive, quite the contrary, and quite frankly that is our business, and we can spend our own money without you being in agreement.

As for your suggestion about moving to a place with more advantages tax wise, that is what we are planning.

And yes, I am fond of the UK, and you and a few other poster make that sound almost criminal too.:thumbdown:

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considering how many God fearing, concerned community Muslim men have been "gifted" long prison sentences in the past 12months for the use of Christian teenagers, many under age (our age that is), acting out their desires in quite disgusting ways, then quite honestly there should be a few more eunochs in the serraglio.

but having lived in a UK city with a high percentage of Muslims the men's attitude is rampant sex with anyone they want - so long as she isn't Muslim.
anyone caught having sex outside of marriage or outside of the religion is breaking family and religious honour and will be subject to "sanctions", the female being "sent back to the home country" she has perhaps never even seen.

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my very first school was an RC school - because there were not enough RC's to teach. So the non-RC's were incorporated and had most of the day in the class. It was only when Religious matters were we asked to leave the room.


As to the wearing of all concealing headgear, this should be stopped. How does the teacher know it is the person registered ??
this is why it was stopped for driving lessons.
and why should a motorcycle courier take their helmet off when giving documents and packages to someone fully covered ??

14th century ways are fine, but they should by now be developed enough to allow some flexibility in identification in a country that has been told it is subject to attack from extremists.

Do we have to have a school massacre because a man came in wearing all concealing clothing.??
The first complaint by all religions will be Why did the Government allow it !!
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I do not label anyone who is not of my race because of the actions of a minority.
If so all Irish would be members of the IRA and child bombers.
All Gypsies and Roma would be thieves and tax dodgers
All Roumanians, Poles, Albanians, Modovians etc would be benefit cheats.
All British expats where ever would be whinging complainers who regret making the move from the UK but hate what the UK has become ( in their minds ).
Every community even the white anglo saxon has its pervets who will pray on the vunerable its not just a problem in areas with the parts of the Pakistani community.

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Why do I get the strange sensation that you have just posted your true feelings?:sneaky::sneaky:

But of course it is diguised with a bit of reverse psycology thrown in to throw the reader off the scent.;);)

I wonder if any others have managed to see beyond your supposed persona with your tolerant "fachada".

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I will explain in words that I hope even you can understand.
Not all muslim men are child abusing perverts.
Just as some white anglo saxons are.
Race has little to do with perversion it sadly just part of the human physce.
Lets agree on something. the decline in social standards in some parts of the UK does allow some opportunities that do not exist within their own communities.
I expect the usual blinkered response from some who think that it is OK for 13 year old girls in care to be let out unsupervised at night , drink alcohol and fall prey to these perverts ( of all races ).
Is this a " British Standard " you are proud of, I certainly am not.