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Don't usually read the Guardian, but just had a quick look as you mentioned it.
Seemed to be criminal cases described, I don't suppose any newspaper can cover all crime.

Why did you choose to post your particular story, particularly as it concerned a country you were fed up with the mention of????? (Also they were not Muslims :lol: and your supposition about visas was incorrect!!!)

The Guardian had further info. on the McCann case which would seem closer to home for you????

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that´s because you think racism is a one way street!

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Don't mention the McCann case:sick::sick::sick::sick:

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Doooah ????

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Wouldn't have if you hadn't incited me to read the Guardian.

Do you keep plastic buckets at the ready in your house??

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The Guardian is Pro Paedeo (sic)? :blink:

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Are you taking the same stuff that Stu is, really do you actually believe that ?

The bottom of barrell is being well and truly scraped today.
Some of you are actually starting to make Farage sound as if he has a brain, I doubt that even he would welcome you into his party.

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Examples please....:blink:

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An article I remember, just had to look it up, from Jon Henley in the Guardian got a lot of stick for being like the BBC and Just looking the other way, google it, many of the comments I think were stating the same, it was not the only one at the time and they got a rough ride in other media for it.

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its my opinion love, if you don't agree, well you can counter it but I have better things to do that sit here right now posting links and stuff, here is a starter for you took me all of a second to find it

http://www.thecommentator.com/articl..._anti_semitism

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Here you go, pages full on google too

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ti...ality-control/

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We had this argument before, You were extremely suprised that I could read at the time, Its my personal feelings with that online paper and when they produce the articles a lot of people but not all have the same feelings which is reflected in their comments.

Its the opposite of the Mail and the Express, whats wrong with that though other than the obvious ?

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Nothing is wrong with haveing a wide range of views even if in the case of tge Mail and Express they only appeal to the lowest common denominator among their readership.

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What the hell are you lot on about?

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Being anti Israel is not the same as being anti Jewish.
At PM question time today an MP of Jewish descent tackled the PM about the actions of the Israeli security police which resulted in deaths of Palestinian activists.

During the same question time another MP stood up and again asked the PM what action was being taken to discourage abortion based on the sex of the child.
The MP was an Asian not some hoary old Tory from the Shires.

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The groaniad



http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ti...ality-control/

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Ah - OK, thanks - now I understand.

The Telegraph (nominally a right-wing paper, my favourite BTW) is having a go at The Guardian (nominally left-wing and my second favourite). No surprise there.

The Guardian is making the point that paedophilia isn't a crime - which is correct - and that paedophiles that don't act upon their desires are showing some fortitude and the Telegraph is trying to get mileage of that.

It's a point which I wouldn't expect many to acknowledge nor even understand.

The rest of the article is just one newspaper having a go at another - just similar bollocks.

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Except there are hundreds of such items on google re that trashy news?paper...are they all wrong!

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What the Torygraph ??

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I doubt that they're all wrong.

You have to look at each search item and asses it to see if it's credible or just crap.

You should see what a google search brings up about the Torygraph and The Fail.

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OK, so now I"m home from work and can oblige.

Here is the offending article in The Guardian. It discusses the way the definition of, and attitude towards, paedophilia (which refers to the desire, not the actual act of sex with children) have changed over time. It cites assorted points of view and theories, including one (among others which offer counter-theories and different positions) put forward by someone else - not The Guardian - that treating paedophilia (which refers to the desire, not the actual act) as a sexual orientation, not inherently a crime, could lead to the prevention of child abuse and actual sex with children. Whether or not you agree with that, it isn't exactly "The Guardian being pro-paedo" now is it.

Here is the link in case you would like to read the actual article and then form your opinion, rather than the other way round.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...-desires-light

Now, on The Commentator. It's always a bit tricky to read commentary on the sources rather than the sources themselves. That website/publication is wholly started and produced by Robin Shepherd, who is profoundly pro-Israel and believes he was fired from The Times because of it. Whether or not you agree with that, it is hardly a neutral source. Second, as has been pointed out, being critical of the state of Israel is not the same as being anti-semitic, as many Jewish critics of the state of Israel will tell you.

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That's one you have made excuses for....now what about the scores of other similar opinions out there saying it's a dire rag!

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If you are on the right of politics then the DM , Torygraph , Express are " Good , well informed. well researched " papers.
Your views are simply based on your political leanings not on the quality or otherwise of the papers content.
The Grauniad has always been the champion of the left so how could anything in it appeal to some members of this forum.

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Nothing to do with which way I lean. I was referring to it's lack of real news.

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It's the same for any paper. I bet The Telegraph and definitely The Mail get similar treatment.

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By NEWS you mean the content and slant taken by the papers much further to the right !!

But I know what you mean, we rarely if ever watch ITV news progs. it just does not have the "gravitas " of the BBC.

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It's good to know that some things never change, and that British readers are the same as they ever were.

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EMR I mean every day British news, not politics. The Guardian is also famous for it's sloppy mistakes and retractions. Still what can you expect when they employ journalists on zerohours:rofl:

Always popular with council and other Public sector workers for the hundreds of highly paid non-jobs advertised with fancy titles. We used to know it as the Community workers bible:rofl:

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I do believe they have the correct use of the apostrophe nailed, however.


Why are politics not news? These are the people who govern us you know, it might be a good idea to pay attention.

The Torygraph prints political news as well. Just because one likes one editorial position over another doesn't actually make one paper better than another in some mysterious way.

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The Times and the Telegraph seem to manage to get the correct balance between politics, crime and trivia. The Guardian is full of hair shirt wearers.

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The Daily Wail makes just as many mistakes as all the others, the only difference is they bury theirs in the classifieds or next to the horoscopes....

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I prefer to believe Private Eye.

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How is that different from the Times Educational supplement. or the Mail for dodgy jobs in the financial sector.
Advertisers use which ever paper targets their audience.

Regarding the Mail I am surprised that anyone can find any news among the adverts and paid for advertising features.

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t.v.

Instead of posting your well used response of 'sigh' to my question about giving examples where Islam is fair to females and not always getting the dirty end of the stick, compared to males, you seem to have shown yourself as not knowing anymore about that religion than I do.

For all those posters who won't hear a word said against Islam and Muslims without bringing in Catholic priests and abuse in British society, I thought that with all your collective knowledge there would have been a long string of posts showing why Islam is good for society and more specifically for women.

You all missed the perfect opportunity.

That is presuming that for a faith that dictates ones daily life to such an extent, there actually are positives for women, which I very much doubt.

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Do you apply the same views to orthodox jews. Roma gypsies and Irish travellers etc. in fact any group or religion that does not allow women the freedom that most women enjoy in the UK.
No one doubts your sincerity but at times it becomes Islamaphobic whch is a distraction from the validity of your concerns.

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Well from watching big fat gypsy wedding, the Irish travellers seem to enjoy themselves- it sure seems to float their boat.

Lycra, sequins, false lashes and brightly painted talons, as far as I know they can show a bit of flesh or a lot of flesh if they want.

I am not saying that is the life I would like or anyone should aspire to, but even a die hard defender of the Islamic faith like yourself, you must admit it looks a whole lot freer than the black robed Muslims.

And at the risk of being slated yet again for mentioning it, at least the females get to keep all their nether bits intact, so they can at least have some fun in the bedroom, no matter if it is in a caravan.

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I think the problem is with your posts is the generalisation, ---apart from some countries eg Saudi Arabia, most Muslim women are not "black robed".
In India which has one of the highest, by number, of Muslims only one of the 28 States and one city will you see a majority of Muslim women "black robed".

Not constantly criticising Muslims as happens on this thread and others; does not indicate a defence of Islamic faith.

Back to topic just come back from hospital outpatients (OH having a scan)
He was reading the Telegraph, (will only read this or Times) a Muslim man (and wife not black robed) was reading the Sun!!!!
I read what ever is available, too mean to buy any. Quite like the Independent though.

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I give up, Just because I am not a Muslim hater does not make me supporter of Islam.
You like others of your views on this forum seem incapable of entering into a reasoned debate.
Is you middle name " Intolerance " as you show the same disdain for anyone who does not think the way you do as the extremists in the religion you obviously despise.

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You attack Muslims for treating women like shit and use Irish travellers as an example of how women should be treated? It's almost like you deliberately set out to behave in an ignorant way. Do you have any idea what a shit life women have as Irish Travellers? Taken out of school early because they "don't need an education to have kids".... My exasperation was at your comment about not knowing any Muslims or anything about them or their religion.... Also it seems about the plight of women in closed communities world wide. Still, you keep banging the anti-Muslim drum love, it's not painting you in any way at all.

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Is it not illegal to take children out of school ?

oops I forgot they are Travellers who have there own set of rules.