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My point was not that any food should be banned but that suitable food should be made available that all can eat. If there are a large number of children that can't eat a particular food obviously financially sensible not to use it or it will be wasted.

It is not "pandering" to groups to provide children with food that they are allowed to eat.

Likewise, as I said parents should put into lunch boxes what they choose, not what the teachers consider the health advice of the moment.

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Cellery makes me wretch! My wife loves it though.
What´s suitable for her clearly isn´t suitable for me.
Multiply that by 300 kids attending the same canteen and there you have the problem.
Anyone can take a pack lunch though and leave those sausages alone!
Crikey, it´s not as though they´re served daily and are compulsory eating!

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I think that you will find that the modified halal methods were introduced for commercial reasons. Macs, KFC all the supermarkets etc do not have to have a seperate product to suit different customers requirements.
Halal means I believe that the animal is still alive when its throat is cut not necessarily concious.
Awake when killed or unconcious when killed as a meat eater does it make a difference.
The only action you can take is you really disaprove is to stop eating meat.
How can I or anyone else be a hypocrite if you eat meat knowing how it is prepared.

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See ..Iamstu is right, one can always take something else offered on the menu
Like....toad in the hole, or even devil on horseback, or take somthing totally exotic,
Like pork pie. Mmmm tasty, very very tasty.
I like onion bahji with shish- kebab, just an exotic take on bangers n onions.

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Wow, what a good post:goodpost:

If they banned food to order in multi-cultural schools there wouldn't be much left. Indians not eating beef, Jews and Muslim not eating pork. Why shouldn't pork sausages be available in the UK, it's a traditional dish and not all are Tesco crap. As for killing a la halal...how many of you have seen it. I saw a chicken killed that way and it wasn't a quick death.

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I still don't think you have seen my point. I didn't say they should be banned but have at least other items available. With 300 children surely they wouldn't have just pork sausages on any day?

With very small children it is even more important that dinner-time is a pleasure not a torment isn't it?

As a part Hindu family we never stopped the children eating beef, youngest's infant school seemed to have frequent beef burgers, many of them came home in the gym bag. Apparently only one boy liked them (also Hindu) so many were passed to him and he ate the lot!!! He was rather obese at that time!!!

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An Indian friend's son came home one day and said he had had a beef burger. She tried to explain to him in simple terms that they honoured the Cow and as such did not eat it...he replied that he liked it and didn't care. He was about 5:D

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Just a quick correction --Indian people can be Hindu, Muslim, Christian, even a small number of Jewish. India has one of the largest numbers of world Muslims.
In India there doesn't seem to be a problem for guests or schools you just provide what you know they can eat.

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Eh:confused:

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Not all Indians are hindus, therefore many tens millions happily eat beef.

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Why confused?

I was going to add, unusually correct in using the word "honoured", when so many wrongly use the word "worship" in regard to cows.:)

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On that basis the obvious answer is for all school food to be vegan, although that may upset the nut allergy brigade.;)

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AFAIK all schools have a veggy option that should cover all options. Why should English people in English schools not be offered a traditional dish such as sausages and mash:blink:

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Why ?deliberately misinterpret my post. I said "not that any food should be banned", but that some other food should also be available. Why is that so terrible?

Actually you have chosen rather an unfortunate example with "nut allergy brigade", nut allergy can kill. Anaphylaxis from a nut allergy is one of the most immediate medical emergencies, but can be excused, as you probably didn't know this.

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Every week tens of thousands of chickens are killed in the modified halal manner. Nothing like that JT suggested.
Electrocuted and then its throat cut while the heart is till beating..
I would rather eat meat prepared in this way than a school sausage probably 90% filler and preservatives.
Pork or otherwise NOT serving them to children is probably the best thing you can do for their health and welfare.

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Rubbish, as Jonnyone says why shouldn't English people have choice too. Schools do have choice in the UK. Would like to see a Muslim school in the Middle East catering for British tastes:ohmy:

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Agree with you, but why should not English children with a particular dietary need not be catered for?
(With a decent vegetarian option possibly, not just the inevitable quiche or something cheese covered a la Delia!!!) :)

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But as you and many others keep saying we in the UK are better than that , we are above such behaviour. That is one of the better British Standards of behaviour.
Why should we lower our standards !!:D:D

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I am fully aware that nut allergies can kill. I was just trying to show it's all a matter of proportionality. Where do you draw the line on what to put on a menu? ie You could just have vegan menu but that would also upset some.

I was on a plane once and throughout the flight they would not sell/serve anything with nuts in it as one of the passengers had advised the airline of a nut allergy.
To me that was disproportionate as I have a business partner who can and has been hospitalised if he eats or his food is tainted with shellfish etc. He just works round it and if in doubt does not eat unless absolutely sure.

PS this has probably moved away from the original debate.

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I'd just like to point out that you all eat more Kosher meat than you do Halal.... Jews don't eat the hindquarters of any animal they slaughter and that Kosher meat ends up in your food chain.... Completely unlabelled.... Still... Jews ain't dirty Muslims are they so it doesn't matter right?

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(The thread might concern 'British Standards'--of concern for others.)

I don't think any airline serves peanuts now as the oil can be transmitted by the air conditioning. You don't have to eat the nuts to be affected.

If someone collapses and dies, obviously the flight might be delayed, so therefore the decision not to serve them might be judged proportionate.

Are nuts essential to your enjoyment of a flight??

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Would be interesting to see if both were banned as the Danes have done, if I was a ukip mp I'd be supportive of that , surely a win win for us indigenous few

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I suppose banning kosher meat pies makes for a stronger party platform than actual economic policy and so on.

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Good white Christians you mean? **** your ignorant racism is boring!

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Religion is not a race

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I suppose Jesus would be not be welcome in the UK, a brown Jewish, Christian from the Middle East. Or perhaps allowed to visit and the go home again.
But then, I think. he only ate fish.:lol:

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I have no idea whether or not Kosher, Halal or any other kind of meat is more or less humane than any other - I just don't know enough about it. My concern is that the reasons for some meat traditions are based upon religion - i.e. nonsense - as opposed to animal welfare.

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No.... but you're making a race issue. Your posts speak for your character.

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Actually Hindu, non beef eating is about animal welfare in a way. The cow is seen as a preserver of life, providing milk, curds, etc. keeping babies and children alive. Therefore should not be hurt or killed.
Human failing takes over as usual and many poor things wander uncared for and starving when they could be culled.

(A little like dogs in UK --- 'Mans best friend' and look at the RSPCA adverts).

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Pigs were often seen on battlefields eating human remains so understandably you can see the reason for avoiding pork.

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We are back to a previous topic, the Goan pig toilets!!!!:lol:

(Actually I think this is the reason that Muslims do not eat pork, as pigs are known to eat excreta etc.)

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Thats right pigs will eat anything if left to search for their own food.

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Some things like the killing of animals is important to me and maybe I do not know enough about it as many people do not aswell, however what I have understood of it (Kosher) disgusts me, it is not right that religion which is able to affect the welfare of an animal, and I am not saying that other ways are better.

If you choose to follow religion you can do surely without these types of killing.

The Kosher way is dead against stunning is that correct ? That is enough for me to know that religion should not be involved.

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The original reason for there being a ban on swine was that there was an epidemic of swine desease which passed to humans.
Swine was then declared a "dirty" animal that humans shoudn´t touch, so consequently banned.... nothing whatsoever to do with wether or not the animal is dirty.
A modern day version would be "Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease" or mad cows desease, though I guess the Quran has already been written!

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The prohibition of pork long predates any knowledge man had of the transmission from animals.
It was not until at least the 17th century that there was any scientific knowledge of germs etc.
The torah was written centuries before the birth of Christ and probably a thousand years before the Koran.
Simply cloven hooved animals eat grass. pigs will eat anything, literally anything.
Kosher rules do not just relate to meat but to a wide range of foodstuffs.

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Man knew if he ate pork, he would die!

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So why in other cultures around the world was pork eaten without the problems you suggest.
A lot also has to do with the speed some foodstuffs spoiled and the lack of rescources to preserve foodstuffs.
There is little pint in the 21st century trying to apply our ways of thinking to those who were living in the middle east 1500 years ago.

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Can't understand what all this religious hatred is all about,
I thought the idea was to provide children with School Meals that were nutritious, meeting certain standards as laid down somewhere.
Obviously there are certain price constraints that have to be met as in all large scale cooking facilities but nutrition is the key element.

For many kids this is the one and only true meal of the day, of all races and religions as poverty doesn't know such boundaries.

However, as I am sure I have said a number of times before, the UK is The UK, it is made up of 85% indigenous people who trace origins back to the Romans and beyond. The remainder are incomers who should understand that they are the ones who should be integrating and making allowance for others as they require others to make allowance for them.

Pork Sausages in all sorts of dishes are part of the UK, a Christian nation although fast losing the will to bother.

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Agree if people want to eat pork sausages or whatever they want to eat, or don't want to eat it is up to them.
Also as you say make allowance for others; guests or newcomers.

I think you fail to see the irony of your last sentence.
Christianity is the religion of followers of Jesus. Jesus was a brown Jewish person from the Middle East!!!!! The British were converted.

You should have a look at the Expat section-- India/Goa--- lots of posts about where to get steaks, bacon and---sausages. ---India is a majority Hindu nation. :D Not much integrating by expats there!!!

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Where do you get the idea that the UK is a Christian nation, the only contact the majority of the population has with the Church is when they go to a wedding or funeral.
What ever opinion you may have of some minorities at least they are genuine when it comes to their religious beliefs.