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Some do, but then its swung round that they are taught by fundamentalists who a re brainwashing, The answer is simply not to give in so easily.

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If this did come about....the first kids that suffer, I would bet would not be from any
that one would easily expect.

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OK, I am saying the UK's state school system should be run to a minimum standard, those who are not up to that minimum should be rejected and sent back to their parents to make alternative arrangements.

Those who can afford to send their children to private schools can do so, be they white, brown, yellow or Martian. But please, let's not forget that the UK has a duty to the future of the country and the learning of its core children who are part of that future.

Remember taking exams in the RN where if we got below 80% on any single subject exam we were returned to our ship.
:eek:

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reminds me of the kids in NI who before they started at school knew off by heart all the hate chants against Protestants.

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I think I posted a link earlier in this thread, pointing out that Chinese, Indian and Bangladeshi origin children all have better GCSE results than 'white British' children.

It seems Polish children also are a positive influence on our standards.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-suggests.html

In general , (obviously some are different) immigrants have an interest in education and want their children boys and girls to succeed.

2 points, (1) Are children born in the UK "immigrants"?
(2) There are other children with special dietry needs as well as
Muslims.

One of my grandchildren is in an infant class with just 2 other 'tinted' children, (not Muslims), they have an excellent Gujarati origin teacher and he hates the school dinners. He takes a packed lunch!!!:)

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Indeed you did make that post and IIRC I asked you in return that those children did not learn English as their first language, those that did > do not massage the figures you would like us to believe.

The article is about cultural change and sausages, nothing to do with levels of education.

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you are just not listening - again (I really do understand why Jacky gets so upset)

The UK is a nation, it owes a duty to all its own people first.
Immigrants who go to the UK should be prepared to INTEGRATE with "the locals".

I don't see the Spanish getting upset people from the UK who are also immigrants - perhaps because they don't expect the Spaniards to throw their way of life out the window and bow down to the ways of the immigrants.

INTEGRATION is the operational word - you integrate with those already living there, not expect them to integrate with you.
Once that subtle difference is understood then perhaps there will be less racial tension.

Do not walk into my house and tell me I must put the toilet seat down, can't walk around with my shoes on, tell me how my dinner is to be killed and how many times I must go to church.
Do walk into my house and understand that it is my home and I will do as I and my predecessors have done for centuries. But if you give up being a stiff neck and join me then that is OK.

Or perhaps the Borg have got it right after all.

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quite right, more importantly it is about people wanting to change the culture of the UK to that of incomers under a pretext.
why do the 85% have to bow to the rights of the 14%
(please note that to be fair I have allowed 1% for the don't know's ;)

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An excellent point.

The teacher does not insist or expect the whole school to change it's diet to suit his cuisine.

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The thread title is "British Standards" , previous posters above have also included that.
I also pointed out that because your first language/home language is not English does not mean that you are not fluent in English. (Surely as an expat in Spain you should know this?).

(I did not create the statistics why do you not believe them? have you better overall evidence?).

As to pork sausages, is it that important that they are available in all schools?
Although I agree that the whole school should be considered not only the minority or majority.

Is it not also important that children learn about other cultures in the world?

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they do that every weekend when dad drags them out for a curry
:rofl:

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Children born in the UK are all its own people.
Why not appreciate the differences some bring due to having a different heritage. They are all children.
Are you not capable of learning also? instead of living in the past centuries.

(My children and grandchildren would not dream of walking into your house with their outdoor shoes on, I would secretly flinch if you wore your boots in mine):)

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"Curry" in UK is often adapted for British tastes. (I think it was you that said this before)?:D

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I have seen an article that disproves what you say for Children that English is their first language, Learning different cultures is fine, having some immigrants culture forced on you in your home country is not, well not for me.

I can only be glad that I am not a child in that position.

To be honest having watched some of the programs on teaching and what teachers can and cant do these days, and what certain ones do get away with I think the whole education system is appalling anyway.

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With her post count apparently not:scarper:

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THe first time what was called curry appeared on our school menu ( 1960 something ) we all went to the chippy but being greedy buggers we also went back for the 2nd sitting and had the so called curry as well.
Never bothered with the chippy again.
We now hove some what I will call Asian fusion cuisine which are years ahead of the local for want of a better word Indian restaurants. You need to book a couple of weeks ahead to get a table at weekends.
We have predominately " white " schools , we also have some of the worst performing in the area.
So what does that prove apart from either the trachers are crap or that most of the kids who come from low income areas are thick or lack motivation.
Having large numbers of children from different countries and backgrounds is not an excuse they can use.

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I have spent too long in "foreign" lands to not take my boots off when entering someone's house, even when contracting and entering the homes of little old English ladies - it is all they notice "He took his boots off when he came in the front door". Slippers in the back of the vehicle were standard kit.
you have no idea how much repeat business can be obtained by word of mouth. Another couple of orders :thumbsup:

Tell me and I'll forget;
show me and I may remember;
involve me and I'll understand.

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Really? The "post count" thing again?

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<< sigh >>

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With this statement, you are a longway off. I too have lived worked on the Indian
Continent, been invited ,gone out to and prepared with, Indian and Pakistan families.
Any equal of local, great vegetarian, unique mountain dishes, fish dishes, in india can be found today in almost anywhere in England including and especially some of the smaller local unknown Indian /Pakistani/Bangladeshi Restaurants.
In fact you go to Leicester, Leeds, Bradford, Birmingham, and a few parts of London,
The owners would shoot you for suggesting as such.
In fact it might be said, meat in England s better quality, some vegeatable more nutritous.Not forgetting many Asian gastronomy relevant businesses, have and use
their well known producers in England.Including herbs and spices coriander, ginger, cumin,and cloves.Saffron is no longer a stranger, sold to the rich.
Many years have drifted under the bridge, when a non snobbish Indian, mentioned for the British palett. Being a chef in an Asian Restaurant is just has special as any European cuisine specialists.
I could say ,it could lead to racism

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So why make a fuss about it as a 'forced immigrant culture habit' in your post 1567----Most people anywhere like to keep their floors clean. In a hot dusty country it is a reflex habit.
(Useful also in muddy UK).
Not sure about your remark about "toilet seats down" being an immigrant thing? thought it was just a female thing? :confused:

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Not sure I agree with you, yes there are a great many good Indian restaurants but you need to search for them. There are a great many inferior (we have sampled them!)usually the ones with a vast take-away menu.
Our particular cuisine is south Indian vegetarian so that is less common in UK. Even some London places described as that are not really so.
Woodlands is OK, but expensive (for what they serve). Leicester a little disappointing in most of the places we have tried. One Gujarati we go for lunch occasionally, (probably the best only open in the evenings).
For home cooking a daughter brings us saffron from Spain!!!
(In my post I said "often", not always!!

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I have stopped at some lorry stops in asia and got great food, and bad.
The point I am trying to make the average Indian local is no better than
the local-eatery/cafe/thali house/restaurant is no better than the average indian
Restaurant in Britain.The choice and individuals tastes are relative.
A so call more expensive indian restaurant in England is not going to give you
a confirmed quality meal , and World wide every customer can be snobbish, bias
And ' je ne sais pas' when trying to make a point.
And using my Asian relatives and my own experience, I havent eaten below par indian
In Britain compared to India/pakistan, etc. I DOUBT either you or other people on this
Site can say you/they have or it id definetly nit picking at its patronising best.
Everywhere their is good, bad, and keepaway eateries.
I have never followed trip advisory critics....In fact I cant understand this one up manship mentality of whos got what, and is better, bigger, tastier, originaler, more traditional. Even Asian food as changed and developed and mixed over a thousand years...puri, duri,parstha, paratha, vindaloo, bindaloo, jafresi,kafresi, madras, koorma,
Duoorma, like all foods and origins, it will be discussed argued over which and what way....even the Asians have their pastime love hate discussions, cooking in india
at home, or in another country...I found it funny ehen I found a group of Indian pakistani friends enjoying in Agra a chow mein, telling me it was better thsn the local rubbish..

In fact when in the m i d d le 1940s The tandooris was presented to the Dehli elite,
It wasnt a year later when it was with all pomp and original ingredients when tandoori
Restaurants were open first in london then other European cities.
Many Indians in England themselves said at the time, weve known it for years, like
My grandmothers before, but we never thought of making a business of it.

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I am not sure about most of your post, but I think we are saying the same thing--- there are good and bad restaurants in UK and India!!!
I suppose in India we mostly eat in our own home or with relatives. We have had some amazing meals out in Pune, plenty of brilliant places there, great places in Chennai, I could go on and on.
As I said to Jackytoo the restaurants in Goa tourist areas are often not good. Too much tinned masala and a recent thing imported fish from Far East in frozen blocks. Hideous!!
Our home in Karwar fresh fish daily.

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In short yes! Symbollically it´s hugely important.
Furthermore, the majority wins. Always has and always will. It´s a bit like a voting system??? One might call it a democracy.
If you don´t tthink the majority should get the vote, you´re in the wrong country.
If you don´t like pork sausage, don´t bloody well eat it!

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THank God Stu that we live in a country where people who think like you will never be in the majority.
There was a time and a country when and where you would have been happy but not in todays world.

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Am I actually allowed to thank my god?!

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Who ever he/she is it is not a Christian god or you would have very different aititudes.

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Sorry Stu the minority will always play the TRUMP CARD and win

That card is RACIAL DISCRIMINATION.

They could not play it and win in their countries of origin because they were part of the majority.

As for democracy very few understand the meaning especially when it contradicts their desire.

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When it comes to sausages served in school the trump card is " taste ".
No child of any background or religion should be served an industrially processed product that calls itself a sausage. pork, beef, or otherwise.
The other trump card is not racial discrimination but racial tolerance something that some from all parts of the UK mix have difficulty in understanding.

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....ahhh, but he seems to like sausage ;)
"Are you so dull?" he (Jesus) asked, (referring to EMR) "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach,....
Mark 7:18-23

So there you have it. Like I said, if you don´t like sausage, don´t bloody well eat it. Just don´t go removing it from my menu!

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Christ was a Jew and the last thing he would have eaten was a pork sausage or anything remotely connected to Pork.
Your quote therefore is nonsense.
Actually if a school or any other organisiation is capable of preparing a range of foods in such a way that there is no cross contamination that would offend anyones religious views that should not be a problem.
But I doubt that there are many that could, so you have to take the line of least resistance and remove any offending items from the menu.
Stu if and when you come to the UK are you aware that the majority of chickens are now killed according to a modified ****Halal *** procedure.
I can see the gorge rising in your throat as you read this.

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Surely school dinners should have food, that if possible all children can eat with reasonable pleasure and satisfy their hunger.
Why serve a food that you know a number of children might be forbidden to eat?

If you invite a Jewish guest to your home, would you serve him bacon or pork. Would you have only meat on the menu, for a vegetarian guest?

Why should children in school be treated differently? Note we are speaking of children here, innocent of racial differences at an early age, not adults.

If there are very few with particular dietary needs which make that supply financially difficult, as always they can bring a packed lunch.

What about the schools who inspect lunch boxes and throw out crisps and chocolate, in my view this is an intrusion, others may disagree.

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Having been into slaughter houses as part of my student training, certainly many years ago, but also seen how unwanted chicks are just thrown into a 'killing machine' how animals queue up and watch those in front die, I cannot condemn Halal slaughter as being more inhumane.

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There you go again incorrectly making assumptions about me. I have previously stated how I support this method of slaughter.
It´s a shame there are so many hypocrites doing it though, rendering it every bit as cruel as other methods of slaughter.

Edited as I though before you jump up on your soap box, I´d best back up my statement. (Something you seldom manage to do)
http://www.theguardian.com/theguardi...meat-the-truth

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If you eat meat then you have to accept that the animal that provides you with your food is killed. Be it in a slaughter house or a fish suffocating to death.
I once went to a very large chicken processor on business to see the birds hung up by their feet, sprayed with water and electrocuted before having their throats cut.
A horrible site but I still eat meat.
I have seen turkeys killed with a cricket bat on a small farm just before christmas.
I doubt that there is any such thing as " humane killing ".

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Good for you...defending the hypocrites!

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No I wouldn't serve him/her bacon or pork but it would not stop me having it. Ditto with the vegetarian.
My best mate at school was Jewish. The school did not ban pork products and his parents fully understood the position without complaint.
I do think we pander to some groups more than we should.
As for Halal meat. It's not the method that I find offensive, it's the way it was introduced without consultation as I know there are many who would have objected if they had known.
Why is that so wrong when one group can complain about pork products (that they can avoid eating) and the other group is not told and complains about a method of slaughter?
Double Standards?

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:goodpost: and well put!

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I want to step in here, and defend the pure and innocent sausage, it seems to be on the wrong side of discrimination and racial expression.
My sausages either bought n made in England or Germany are not industrially processed, but with loving care, scraped up from floor and work benches of my
Local butchers, and moulded and poured into healthy skins by the butchers tender
hands. Free speach for sausages, dont bring the gud ol banger down.

Thank god their 2 best friends stay loyal..Bake Beans n mash have stayed true to
their partner, no sign of divorce or bringing in the race relations board.
Mash is white n creamy, the beans love their tan, and keep close to their coloured
Mates, whether brown or well fried with black tinges...