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Hold on, is that what they said? The slave comment was quite clearly aimed at the wealth generated in the Americas (WI's included in that). Nice switch around in argument, you sure you're not a woman?

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Did I say that? Don't remember saying that or anything like it, but feel free to make it up as you go along if you think it enhances your argument.

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The slave comment was clearly in the same sentence as he mentioned UK, create British wealth and West Indies, nowhere is there any reference to USA. Anyway, I've leave you pair to it, before you start calling me a "t**t". By the way, how do you consistently get away with your insults when others are banned for far more trivial matters?

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My post was in response to the previous post on immigrants; quote "Its shit has been forced on us!".

My response was not an argument, I was pointing out the fact that 'immigrants' comprise many disparate groups. Many being asked to come.

Your response of "they" (unspecified) could go back if they wanted to I took to mean if they don't like being called "shit" back to where they came from. You are correct in that! but the indigenous people who think in those terms are actually a minority.(Unless you read expat forums:lol:)

PS I am a she not a he.

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That,s the quality of debate now on BE. Twist the words and pull the racist card, mix in a bit of history ......and they're off:thumbdown:

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oh Jacky, you are coming round to my way of thinking
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I know we have had some torrid debates over the past couple of years, but I do think that BES has sunk to new levels
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I pointed out 'twice' that the majority of British people are not racist!
As I asked previously, when did 'today' start and 'history' end?

May I ask if you consider all immigrants as 'them/they a single entity or do you accept that for some, their reason for being immigrants is due to events in our 'history'.

A little closer to Spain. There are thousands of people from Goa in Swindon
why! because the occupation of Goa by the Portuguese didn't end until 1961 53 years ago!! is that history. They were then eligible for Portuguese passports and therefore are now EU immigrants. Not sure why they all went to Swindon??

and if you look at the BE Goa Forum there are many British people complaining about not being able to emigrate to Goa:lol:

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Why was pointing out facts about different immigrant groups and their origins sinking to new levels??

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read the thread not just your own posts, sit back with a strong cup of tea made from leaves from a former colonial outpost, and think about it.

then ask yourself how far the thread has deviated from its origins and what you can do to help it back.

regards

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I don't think it has! many Indian people stayed in UK because of the world wide reputation of its education system and because it was less rigid than the tests/exams system of India.

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so then why hasn't India got a "world wide reputation" for its education system if it is stricter, and yet looking at Indian job websites demand degree level standard education for a receptionist ??
and why is the UK being pumped for charity money to provide basic level teaching of reading and writing - when the money from single Mars probe would cover that for a decade or so ??

I believe I said it earlier, I have no problems with "emergent" nations (after all India is only about 66 years old) reaching out to join the "big table" but they are not making the transition any easier if they are leaving millions and millions of people without even basic 3R's education. But I suppose it keeps those who make a living reading letters and writing replies for those who can't do it for themselves.
Stop the massive military expansion, stop the rocket race and think about the future.

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Yes, they were invited, but quite how that makes them slaves is a tad beyond me. They were under no duress to come, no obligation to stay, that really doesn't seem like the life of a slave to me. You haven't got much of an argument to start with, such wild accusations only serve to ridicule your posts. As a woman you'll probably want the last word, help yourself, I'm out of here.

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All some of you want to discuss is how the behaviour some immigrants differs from what you regard as British standards.
That is your view but not a universal one.
We have seen major changes in what are acceptable standards of behavior in the last 30 + years.
Time does not stand still and you will have to accept that or find yourselves further and further away from the realties of life in the UK .

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You may have noticed that it is part of a 'Subcontinent' rather than a country
each state is different and in fact the equivalent of a European country by size, language, etc. etc.

In fact India does have a world wide reputation for its education. Universities of Delhi, Mumbai, Hyderabad and more rank with any in the world. The competition is intense.
Those that are illiterate are in a minority in every state although figures for each state are different. Many, many millions are highly educated. The average middle class child more so than many in the UK as it is now. But the system as I said is thought by many to be too rigid without any extracurricular activities.

India is not really an "emergent nation" (they had a civilisation when the British were still in caves).:D (Joking before I get insults)

I agree what you have said about the space programme.

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Sorry I have a hangover today and might explain my drunken rant. However who asked them to come ?

I did not, nobody I know did, Tony Blairs Government did

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Andy, the only " ones " who came as a result of Tony Blairs actions are Iraqis.
I do not know how many but there are a tiny % of the total of immgrants in the UK.
The Kurdish refugees " pre date " the war in Iraq as they were fleeing the genocidal policies of Saddam plus oppression n Turkey and Iran.

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Could you perhaps take the trouble to read my original post.

I said they were brought as slaves to the West Indies in order that the English could make money out of the sugar plantations etc. Many English stately homes were financed this way.
Later after WW2 they were asked to come to UK.

(I wasn't actually arguing just stating some facts, which else do you suggest was incorrect?)

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The post war government asked "them" to come in order to help staff the new National health service and fill vacant jobs in factories etc.

Tony Blair, yes, allowed many workers from the countries new to the EU to come before it was necessary under the rules, that is a different issue.

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Most people are concerned with the deluge that is about to come to the UK not what happened 50 years ago.:starsmile:

I don't have a problem with Indians, they are generally educated, civilised and not terrorists. They integrate well.

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Spin it how you want, the whole of the UK changed under Blair/Brown.

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I'll second that jacky, had lots of Indian friends and still regularly talk to one of them and always found them to be very happy, polite, caring and interesting.

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The ones in our local restaurant are the salt of the earth and never do nasty things to the food of the drunks who insult them,

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You mean like Aggy did? The OP clearly mentioned slavery in relation to the Americas including the West Indies and Aggy, in their usual way, twisted it round to slavery in the U, and whatever other nonsense point she was trying to make.... So I'd place the statement at her feet not mine.

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Did someone buy you a box of nasty pills for Xmas with a side effect of losing the skills to debate:p

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I kind of got that impression myself after this reply to me on the Muslim thread....

....and not for the first time either.

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and it's not even Friday yet!

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You are distracting other posters from the subject at hand...Aggy claimed that the posted had said something, then they went off on a rant about it, others who follow the clique would then have quoted that and in no more than a post or two they would have been accused or whatever in saying that foreigners lived like virtual slaves in Britain then the usual suspects would have all chipped in to tell them that if they don't like Britain and all its pure whiteness they can **** off. I've seen you lot do it time and time again.


Oh and Dick, don't play the innocent one, you and Dom spend your time on here trying to goad me into a fight and i've forgotten the amount of times you've slagged me off or passed some snide comment. Lets all just be a little more open and a little less conniving eh?

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Look out, the gangs here.

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yes, ok the UK had a hand in slavery, not in the taking of people from their own villages, making them walk miles to a beach or rudimentary harbour to be put onto a slaving ship and then taken to the West Indies.
The people doing the taking were either of their own nationality or from adjacent Arab states.

Brits had interests in the ships that did the carrying, in the sugar/molasses plantations and facilities in the West Indies

but just remember that the actual taking of the people who ended up as slaves were generally not Brits.
And the Royal Navy had a remit to stop all slave carrying ships, which is why so many slaves were thrown overboard chained together to "hide the evidence" - no slaves on the ship = no slave carrying, despite the obvious smells and outward signs.

But I have yet to see a British Standard from the British Standards Institute that covers the subject. However that period in Britain's history is well documented and yes many people made large amounts of money out of trafficing fellow humans, and also using them in Brit owned plantations.

Not a nice period in British History, but it happened, many have tried to say sorry.
But don't recall any apology for the deaths in the Black Hole in Calcutta
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CHILDREN - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH


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Alot better than Brits when they emmigrate, who prefer to sought after their own,
and repeatingly refer to the UK as back home. Integration had not been,
the way of the British migrant, maybe the last several years we've seen more Brits
wanting to intigrate and get to know their chosen New land's citizens, life and
Language.
Its amazing to me how we look on foreigners, especially when we live in their countries.
Why in gods name should one have any problems,with Indians or for that matter
any other nationality....We brits ancient or modern are a race of mixed breed and culture, just like many nations....

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Absolutely priceless! Actually made me laugh!

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The title of this thread is " British Standards " you need only look at a few of the posts in the last 24 hours to see how far they have declined.

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Grow up.
I have no wish to goad anyone.
With regard to snide comments you are surely the master.
If I've ever slagged you off please show me where and I'll readily apologise,......... though as with your last wild accusation, I reckon I'll be waiting a long time.
If your idea of openness is repetitive abusive four letter words, then please count me out,......... not that myself and most other posters would expect to get away with it anyway.

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Today it is, yippee !

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Dom come on, " The UK had a hand in slavery ".
Bristol which at the time was one of the busiest ports in the western world owes its riches to slavery.
The Bristol merchants set off in slave ships loaded with cheap goods to trade for slaves in Africa , then to the west indies and the americas, selling the slaves returning with sugar, rare woods etc.
This went on for 100,years from the time of the Stuarts and was replicated in ports across the UK.
The first influx of black peoples into the UK were either freed or those kept as slaves.
As an ex navy you shoudl know that well before Nelson times there were many ex slaves were serving on English vessels.
There is a huge shopping centre in Bristol over which there was controversy because many of the names proposed had connections to the cities invlovement with the slave trade.
It is now called Cabot Circus because John Cabot pre dates the slave trade.

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Most countries were into slavery in the past, the Arabs also. That was then FFS let's concentrate on the present.

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:goodpost:

Many a true word said in total seriousness. ;)

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A sign of declining standards is a country that denies or tries to forget its history and how that has influenced the country we live in today.
This thread is about " British Standards " not those of others across the world and what they did in the past or now.

If it was not for the British and other European nations buying slaves there would not have been a market.
Who transported the slaves from Africa to the Americas, not the arabs, who used them as workers , not the arabs. Who in the Uk mmade fortunes from the slave trade. not the arabs.