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It's got to be an education thing, nothing else can explain the ignorance well enough for me to be convinced.
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Still not found any positives for women under Islam, then?
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Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 11182403)
She is instantly forgettable. A token Muslim figure that never won an election?
Another case, of a Muslim woman being "put down" on this Forum.:( |
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Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 11182423)
Why do you say that? I admire her and happen to find her one of the most intelligent and rational among Conservative politicians.
Another case, of a Muslim woman being "put down" on this Forum.:( |
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Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 11182403)
She is instantly forgettable. A token Muslim figure that never won an election?
Well you can add that parasite Yasmin Alibi-Brown to that as well. |
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Originally Posted by me me
(Post 11182345)
So what if there are women heads of state, what good is it that one of the female leaders daughters can be handed for breaking the strict dress code?
What is the good of having a woman leader, if she cannot protect other women or even herself if she has sex outside marriage, when no such fate will befall a male head of state? Are they actual leaders, or what? |
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Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 11182445)
How do you know that the countries of which these women are leaders have strict dress codes? How do you know that sex outside marriage is illegal in these states?
That's what real men do?:rofl: |
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Originally Posted by me me
(Post 11182457)
Why don't you Google it if you are interested?
That's what real men do?:rofl: |
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Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 11182423)
Why do you say that? I admire her and happen to find her one of the most intelligent and rational among Conservative politicians.
Another case, of a Muslim woman being "put down" on this Forum.:( As your reply was to MeMe, you do realise she fully supports Muslim woman in their plight for equal rights? What´s with your "victim" stance? Amazing how ones own thoughts are projected onto others! |
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 11182429)
They are both Trolling.... They know the more sympathetic and better educated among us will defend the constantly attacked and they just do it to get a reaction. Don't feed the trolls, eventually one will stop acting like she is 10 and the other will get banned....
and why do you think that it makes you a better person by condoning their poison? |
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Originally Posted by IamStu
(Post 11182488)
Are we reading the same posts?
As your reply was to MeMe, you do realise she fully supports Muslim woman in their plight for equal rights? What´s with your "victim" stance? Amazing how ones own thoughts are projected onto others! And I agree - the way me me put down the female Muslim world leaders that were pointed out actually says a lot about her attitude to Muslim women. |
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Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 11182520)
Nope - Bipat's reply was to Aggro.
And I agree - the way me me put down the female Muslim world leaders that were pointed out actually says a lot about her attitude to Muslim women. The biggest problem with this thread is people talking about different things. Some are talking about supression within the mulsim ranks whilst others, believing they´re in a conversation, are talking about equality within different muslim ranks. From what I see, MeMe is talking about group A, and Bipat and your goodself are talking about group B!!! ... no wonder it is what it is :blink: |
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 11182348)
I reckon 99% of the Western world hate Islam. It has proven to be dangerous to the world. Not keen on any religion but I don't feel threatened by them.
I too wonder how the hand wringers handle the conflicts when in the next breath they are defending women's/gay rights. The nutters out out in force this afternoon,99 % of the western world etc etc. No doubt a result of deep and educated research into the subject , I do not think. |
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Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 11182520)
Nope - Bipat's reply was to Aggro.
And I agree - the way me me put down the female Muslim world leaders that were pointed out actually says a lot about her attitude to Muslim women. If you read the post properly, you will see that I have not mentioned any Muslim leaders. My post was posted in a hypothetical way, rather like saying what good is buying a Ferrari if you can't afford the insurance type question. and I am sure that those who know a little bit of English grammar will understand.
Originally Posted by me me
(Post 11182345)
So what if there are women heads of state, what good is it that one of the female leaders daughters can be handed for breaking the strict dress code?
What is the good of having a woman leader, if she cannot protect other women or even herself if she has sex outside marriage, when no such fate will befall a male head of state? Are they actual leaders, or what? |
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Originally Posted by IamStu
(Post 11182488)
Are we reading the same posts?
As your reply was to MeMe, you do realise she fully supports Muslim woman in their plight for equal rights? What´s with your "victim" stance? Amazing how ones own thoughts are projected onto others! |
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Originally Posted by me me
(Post 11182489)
Why would anyone be sympathetic and defend a religion that is so harsh to half of those born into it, unless they agree that women should be oppressed?
and why do you think that it makes you a better person by condoning their poison? |
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Originally Posted by IamStu
(Post 11182531)
My error...thought it was MeMe.
The biggest problem with this thread is people talking about different things. Some are talking about supression within the mulsim ranks whilst others, believing they´re in a conversation, are talking about equality within different muslim ranks. From what I see, MeMe is talking about group A, and Bipat and your goodself are talking about group B!!! ... no wonder it is what it is :blink: |
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Originally Posted by me me
(Post 11182489)
Why would anyone be sympathetic and defend a religion that is so harsh to half of those born into it, unless they agree that women should be oppressed?
and why do you think that it makes you a better person by condoning their poison? |
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At last the voice of reason. !!
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Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 11182564)
I think you have a point. I'm no lover of Islam or any other religion and I freely admit that radical and extreme Islam is a real problem in more ways than one. If me me were to address her comments to Radical Islam and Muslim extremists instead of just to Islam and Muslims I suspect there would be considerably more agreement.
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Originally Posted by IamStu
(Post 11182531)
My error...thought it was MeMe.
You have never won an election in your life; indeed, the Party’s share of the vote has fallen wherever you’ve stood. You are a Cameroon creation, elevated solely because you are female, Muslim and Asian. The ‘greasy pole’ was obligingly degreased especially for you: high-profile roles were created and ladders were made abundant while the snakes of political reality were de-fanged and un-venomed. All because you embody the Cameroon ‘modernisation’ strategy and ‘decontamination’ agenda. You are indeed a symbol – a ‘tokenistic appointment’ – as some of your co-religionists observe. |
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Originally Posted by IamStu
(Post 11182488)
Are we reading the same posts?
As your reply was to MeMe, you do realise she fully supports Muslim woman in their plight for equal rights? What´s with your "victim" stance? Amazing how ones own thoughts are projected onto others! Further posts have made me think it not actually so far from the truth. So best not to mention any other Muslim women in public life:ohmy: What do you mean by "victim stance"? I am not a victim of anything except an 'addiction' to joining in lengthy discussions about Muslims, etc.:( |
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Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 11182588)
My remark about "A Muslim woman being put down on this Forum", was meant as a joke!!!
Further posts have made me think it not actually so far from the truth. So best not to mention any other Muslim women in public life:ohmy: What do you mean by "victim stance"? I am not a victim of anything except an 'addiction' to joining in lengthy discussions about Muslims, etc.:( |
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Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 11182582)
No, twas I! Someone said Warsi was unforgettable, I disagreed, I said I thought she was a political lightweight whose meteoric rise to the top was due in a large part to the fact she was Asian and a Muslim. Even after she was kicked out, they invented a new position for her. Someone more eloquent than me said this of her,
Whatever reason Sayeeda Warsi was originally chosen I admire her intelligence and sense. So there we can agree to disagree. She was "kicked out" because of a 'little expenses problem' (that makes her a real politician!!!!!!) PS Any Muslim women that you do admire?? |
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Originally Posted by IamStu
(Post 11182595)
Making cutting remarks in a "debate" of high feelings will seldom be seen as funny by the person the joke is directed at. But no doubt you would be fully aware of that hence your little jab poorly disguised as such.
I suppose the debate would only have really high feelings if a British expat of the Muslim religion joined in. Would they dare?? |
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Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 11182582)
No, twas I! Someone said Warsi was unforgettable, I disagreed, I said I thought she was a political lightweight whose meteoric rise to the top was due in a large part to the fact she was Asian and a Muslim. Even after she was kicked out, they invented a new position for her. Someone more eloquent than me said this of her,
and don't forget our own Baroness Warsi I dislike this sort of thing In November 2013, Lady Warsi, told an audience at the University of Cambridge, that Faith was being put back at the “heart of government,†as it was under Sir Winston Churchill and Baroness Thatcher. The Coalition she argued, is one of the “most pro-faith governments in the West,â€. “More often than not, people who do God do good. |
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Am I in la la land or what:blink: just been reading about this white woman, married to a non Muslim Indian who fanaticises about her close contacts with Muslim Indians.....tell it to the marines chuck:lol:
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With you 99% comment , you definetly are in La La land.
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Originally Posted by EMR
(Post 11182705)
With you 99% comment , you definetly are in La La land.
Is there anyway to put a whole thread on ignore, it is total tripe, flicking crap:thumbdown::thumbdown: |
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 11182700)
Am I in la la land or what:blink: just been reading about this white woman, married to a non Muslim Indian who fanaticises about her close contacts with Muslim Indians.....tell it to the marines chuck:lol:
Why always this emphasis on "white"???? |
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You are white, yes! Muslim Indians do not mix. I know this for a fact. Difficult to get them to meet in the same place...load of tripe, stoptrolling:thumbdown:
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 11182715)
Is there anyway to put a whole thread on ignore, it is total tripe, flicking crap:thumbdown::thumbdown:
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 11182766)
You are white, yes! Muslim Indians do not mix. I know this for a fact. Difficult to get them to meet in the same place...load of tripe, stoptrolling:thumbdown:
Fact?----- Do you live in India??? WE DO. |
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Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 11182808)
Why on earth do you say that, total nonsense!!
Fact?----- Do you live in India??? WE DO. |
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Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 11182572)
If Islam was actually "so harsh to half of those born into it" (I assume we're talking FGM, extreme enforced dress code, forced under-age marriage and all the other things that you have mentioned) do you think that all those hundreds of millions of women would actually put up with it? You think that little of them?
And what the he'll does the last line of your post mean? |
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
(Post 11182810)
It's wrong out of India as well, but that's never stopped Jacky.
Some of you fall for any old story...naive what! |
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Originally Posted by me me
(Post 11182817)
Well it seems that 125 million girls have been mutilated, so in answer to your question, I will say that they DO put up with it and actually go along with it, wouldn't you?
And what the he'll does the last line of your post mean? Is FGC part of a religion? Although many people believe that FGC is associated with Islam, it is not. FGC is not supported by any religion and is condemned by many religious leaders. The practice crosses religious barriers. Muslims, Christians, and Jews have been known to support FGC on their girls. No religious text requires or even supports cutting female genitals. In fact, Islamic Shari'a protects children and protects their rights. From a Christian perspective, FGC has no religious grounds either. In fact, research shows that the relationship between religion and FGC is inconsistent at best. However, even though religious texts don’t support FGC, some people still think the two are linked and claim religious teachings support FGC. In six of the countries where FGC is practiced — Ethiopia, Cote d'Ivoire, Kenya, Senegal, Benin, and Ghana — Muslim population groups are more likely to practice FGC than Christian groups. In Nigeria, Tanzania, and Niger, though, the prevalence is greater among Christian groups. |
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Originally Posted by jimenato
(Post 11182858)
FGM is NOT a Muslim practice. SOME Muslims practice it but so do SOME Christians. I condemn them both. I do not use it as an excuse to pillory Islam or Muslims. Why would I? Why would anyone - an agenda perhaps?
My bold. |
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 11182843)
Look into it...it doesn't happen!
Does anybody know the human rights proposals that Saudi Arabia rejected today ? |
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
(Post 11182861)
I said that about 100 pages back.
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