AM in your utopia across the atlantic 24million have no health insurance or medicare
The average visit to hospital costs $1800.
If this is your view of an ideal society you can stuff it where the sun don,t shine.
We in the UK and much of the EU may not have got everything right but we are not denying those in need basic entitlements.
That is a British Standard I am proud of.

No doubt you pride yourself on living in a democratic society, rather than one of the primitive theocracies you condemn. If so, your family's "entitlement" is to what is left of your income AFTER you have paid the taxes lawfully demanded of you by the democratically elected Government, to be blunt about it. Not to keep the lot because you feel you deserve it, or pay as much as you feel like and no more. If one of your family's businesses sent an invoice to a regular customer, how would you feel if you received a reply that said "we've paid our bills for 10 months already this year, as far as we're concerned that's enough so we're not paying for the other two"?

If you feel you're being taxed too highly then you do, of course, have the option to move to another country with a tax regime that's more acceptable to you. But (the elephant in the room having become too big to ignore) I just have to ask, if you want to be subject to UK taxation in the future, why don't you want to live there for 183 days a year, then there wouldn't be any ambiguity or difficulty, or need for any expensive professional advice, would there? You always seem so fond of the place.

Does anyone else find endless sarcasm extremely tiresome and boring?

The argument isn't about paying taxes. We all have to. That's not in dispute.

The argument is about the stigma of paying the world's highest taxes, and whether what we are receiving in return is what we pay for.

In truth, government is supposed to work for us, not the other way 'round. But here we are, not only paying more and more, but receiving less and less.

And despite the questionable nature of how our tax money is spent, there is and increasing view is that if you don't like it, then you should leave, or if you try to fight it, you're some sort of criminal for attempting to avoid getting reamed for excessive taxes, simply because tax collection is becoming so aggressive -

All of this is presumably to stop those "criminals" from avoiding the world's highest taxes, which, in combination with some very aggressive (and often unfair) tax collection tactics, give the population every motivation to avoid tax as much as legally possible. Not to mention the undeniable fact that it's those rich criminals who pay the vast majority of the expenses for our little utopia. Seems to me all us humble folk should be enthusiastically rallying for more people making 250K or more. They do, after all, pay the bills. Ironic at best. Besides, one of those major contributors (criminals) you rally in favour of could be you or your kids. Bet your views would be quite different then.

Right, then.

My view (as I elude to as often as possible) is that there is a historical pattern in all of this. I believe we are being led into a socialist state where we are obliged to live with less and less, whilst becoming increasingly subservient to the bureaucracy.

The government we pay dearly for is less and less working for us. In fact, we are increasingly working for the benefit of the government, which is becoming increasingly regulatory and dictatorial (especially in the case of the EU) and necessarily, less generous. 21% IVA is insane. We are giving more, but living with less and less, which suspiciously mirrors the historical results of socialism.

No, I'm not suggesting any stupid conspiracy. That would be giving our dear leaders much too much credit.

No, it's simply that socialism historically produces some pretty nasty side effects, the most obvious are destruction of prosperity (except for the ruling class, who become wealthy beyond belief), and the exhibition of more and more power over the population, an antithesis of democracy.

There are troubling signs that we're well on our way in that direction.. and even more troubling, unwittingly and naively supported by an increasing segment of the population.

We're humans. And even if you don't want to believe it, we're pretty self-centered as a matter of DNA. We want stuff. As long as we believe we're getting more stuff for "free", we'll enthusiastically go for it (just watch how the UK elections go - it will be reduced to a matter of who can promise more "free" stuff). But in truth, we're actually getting less and less and paying more and more for it.

We're collectively pretty naive. How many eagerly buy the "super size economy" box or bottle of something believing it's cheaper, although it turns out to be far more expensive than the "regular size regular priced" box or bottle?

Who do you think you are, alluding to the fact that we don´t pay our taxes, you have got a cheek, lady.

Also you make it sound like a crime to seek advice on tax and residency matters, what a narrow minded person you are.

That is why tax advisors and financial planners exist in the first place.

As for the expense that you refer to, if an advisor can save more money than their service costs, then it is not expensive, quite the contrary, and quite frankly that is our business, and we can spend our own money without you being in agreement.

As for your suggestion about moving to a place with more advantages tax wise, that is what we are planning.

And yes, I am fond of the UK, and you and a few other poster make that sound almost criminal too.

considering how many God fearing, concerned community Muslim men have been "gifted" long prison sentences in the past 12months for the use of Christian teenagers, many under age (our age that is), acting out their desires in quite disgusting ways, then quite honestly there should be a few more eunochs in the serraglio.

but having lived in a UK city with a high percentage of Muslims the men's attitude is rampant sex with anyone they want - so long as she isn't Muslim.
anyone caught having sex outside of marriage or outside of the religion is breaking family and religious honour and will be subject to "sanctions", the female being "sent back to the home country" she has perhaps never even seen.

my very first school was an RC school - because there were not enough RC's to teach. So the non-RC's were incorporated and had most of the day in the class. It was only when Religious matters were we asked to leave the room.


As to the wearing of all concealing headgear, this should be stopped. How does the teacher know it is the person registered ??
this is why it was stopped for driving lessons.
and why should a motorcycle courier take their helmet off when giving documents and packages to someone fully covered ??

14th century ways are fine, but they should by now be developed enough to allow some flexibility in identification in a country that has been told it is subject to attack from extremists.

Do we have to have a school massacre because a man came in wearing all concealing clothing.??
The first complaint by all religions will be Why did the Government allow it !!
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I do not label anyone who is not of my race because of the actions of a minority.
If so all Irish would be members of the IRA and child bombers.
All Gypsies and Roma would be thieves and tax dodgers
All Roumanians, Poles, Albanians, Modovians etc would be benefit cheats.
All British expats where ever would be whinging complainers who regret making the move from the UK but hate what the UK has become ( in their minds ).
Every community even the white anglo saxon has its pervets who will pray on the vunerable its not just a problem in areas with the parts of the Pakistani community.

Why do I get the strange sensation that you have just posted your true feelings?

But of course it is diguised with a bit of reverse psycology thrown in to throw the reader off the scent.

I wonder if any others have managed to see beyond your supposed persona with your tolerant "fachada".

I will explain in words that I hope even you can understand.
Not all muslim men are child abusing perverts.
Just as some white anglo saxons are.
Race has little to do with perversion it sadly just part of the human physce.
Lets agree on something. the decline in social standards in some parts of the UK does allow some opportunities that do not exist within their own communities.
I expect the usual blinkered response from some who think that it is OK for 13 year old girls in care to be let out unsupervised at night , drink alcohol and fall prey to these perverts ( of all races ).
Is this a " British Standard " you are proud of, I certainly am not.

Me Me Yes he has shown his true colours. Closet racist Muslim terrorist apologist. Can read him like a book. White bad, black good

He said yesterday something about what makes the poor darlings be attracted to crackpot religions and terrorism but did not ask what reason many have for the anti-islam stance

I will probably put him on ignore, he is an attention seeking troll who effs up every thread.

I stand by my post number 39.

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TBH Jacky, I find it quite amusing that he is getting it off his chest in his own sweet way, he hasn´t been here long but he is certainly making an impact.

As they say it wouldn´t be stictly without Brucie, and it would not be a thread on British people and their ways/habits/thoughts without our little "troll".

And what are you two ignorant rascist or bigots who have neither the knowledge, intelligence or ability to debate with anyone who does not share your views.
If you are typical of UKIP then god preserve the UK.
If I thought that there were enough of you to actually influence matters I would break the habit of a lifetime and get involved in politics.

Me Me you know what he told you, get back to your own country....oh! sorry you have