Norm_uk

There's a wide ideological difference, he's essentially a white nationalist and anti-Marxist Christian. Islamists have global domination aspirations, white nationalism champions the primacy of native Europeans and their culture in their own land and are against mass immigration, not for attacking everyone and stamping their culture on other countries (that's white supremacy) Most white nationalists are very peaceful and do little more than moan about immigration.

Where they are similar is in their use of violence and terror to achieve their aims. This man is a much smaller threat to much fewer people than the average Jihadist.

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WakeUp

There are a few on here that have described themselves as such.

Norm_uk

The last time India suffered mass immigration against the will of it's people was when Muslims invaded and topped off at least 50million before the British arrived anyway.

Supporting native rights in the face of invasion...I mean immigration is hardly a reason to go on one man killing sprees.

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Norm_uk

Like me...

Makes me glad that I, and a lot of the people I share my views with don't think for a second that lone wolf killing sprees will achieve anything beyond infamy and universal condemnation.

This man has gone down the Guy Fawkes route and will end up with his head on a literal or proverbial stake. Men like George Washingon, Thomas Paine and Benjamin Franklin are far better examples of non-pacifistic resistance to tyranny.

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WakeUp

He seems to think that a 70 year war is coming in Europe. While no one but a mad man will condone what he has done there are many who are sympathetic his core beliefs. Very sad indeed.

seven seas

Now we can all see what an anti-multicuralism right winger is capable of.

The chilling thing is that he killed that number simply because he ran out of bullets. If he'd had more bullets he would have continued....

Again, this raises the question of punishments- if the maximum penalty is not a threat to would be criminals (this guy and islamic terrorists too), then what can societies do to protect themselves from these cancers?

norsk

Actually, according to Norwegian media today he had an astonishing number of rounds left for both the handgun and the automatic rifle when he was apprehended, but it was time for the next phase (in his insane plan) which meant he needed to surrender.

Paracletus

Apparantly, he did not run out of bullets. He did however use ammunition which disintegrates upon impact, causing increased internal damage.

Education, tolerance, etc, etc..These cancers can only be beaten by crushing them ideologically. But nutbags like Breivik do come along occasionally and there is not much one can do once people have become so convinced in their own ideology that they ware willing to kill for it. I think it would be sad if societies became so paranoid that people's freedoms become infringed upon. It is interesting to note that this has not started to surface in the Norwegian media thus far, increased security, harsher punishment. The Nordic approach to the penal system is however one of correction rather than punishment. Have you seen the most luxurious prison in the world? It's in Norway. Looks more like a somewhat fortified boutique hotel than anything else. As far as I am aware, repeat offenders are also at very low levels in these countries.

But this is an extraordinary case. He obviously exhibits a threat to the wider society, but once he has served his sentence, can he be detained longer based on his views? Though I wouldn't be surprised if he is deemed to be a danger to society and a complete lunatic and locked up in an institution for the rest of his life.

Norm_uk

One act doesn't mean a thing for his views. If we have weekly attacks (you know, like Islamic radicals) worldwide then we might have to start looking at his views a bit more closely.

Or perhaps you are suggesting now that holding views like his (like loving your own culture more than others in your own land) means raising a red flag and putting people on watch lists?

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Charismatic

Their PM struck the nail on the head when he said: You can never really inflict a harsh enough punishment on murderers but I think the best punishment in this case could be to make the offender realise his actions where wrong. Society does not agree with his ideas and his actions, far from encouraging a revolution, cements peoples ideas about the need for a liberal and open society .

The Dean

The 'death toll' has been reduced from 93 to 76.............. how did they get that wrong??

sherri

You are trying to defend the un-defendable! Suggesting that he and his alliance are a smaller threat than an average jihadist is pure BS tbh.

In my view, there is no ideological difference. I repeat, please read his book (unless you are one of the contributors he mentioned in his book) and use some common sense – you should have plenty of this at your disposal as an atheist unlike a dolt like me who is a believer.

His ideology clearly advocates “Cultural supremacy”. Also, he talks about having 3 states in the Middle East to control Islamic expansion and we know who would be the future king on the sandpit

sherri

Norm_uk

I'm disputing your claim that there is no ideological difference and that his group, cell or whatever it may be is not as big a threat as the global jihad which is well documented as covering every continent.

I have just started reading his book right now - it's rambling and seems to mix a lot of truth with lies - I'll probably give further thoughts when I have read it. I don't have the stomach or time to really go into it right now as I am still reeling over what he's done and how, by quoting quite legitimate political viewpoints, has done much to harm them (example: now every one who opposes multiculturalism, cultural relativism and social Marxism will be lumped with this utter looney).

I also know of via blogspace; at least one of the people he has quoted in his book. A Norwegian blogger who has categorically distanced himself from this man but was even accused of being him until the real fellow was arrested.

Oh, and don't even try to suggest I contributed to his book. I knew nothing of this man until the news broke - my views do not include or condone lone wolf mass killings to get people to read my rambling books.

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littlejimmy

It seems a lot of it is plagiarised. See the media thread.