shiva

So much bs in the media over this **** nugget

He is the most dangerous of all deranged nutters, intelligent, cold, patient and calculating. Whilst he has created a place where he can mentally justify these abhorrent actions, a planet clearly not one anyone else knows, he has stayed just sane enough to stay a member of society while he has planned, prepared and carried out his actions.

As far as I can tell he is definitely no Nazi but sees himself as a defender of his faith and traditional European culture. Hence the crusader references.

His rational for these actions is truly chilling, attacking the government for what he perceives as its failings/misdeeds an action whilst abhorrent most can probably understand, attacking the kids at utoya is the real crux of his insanity.
His aim was to punish the parents and remove the next generation of politicians an act which I think defines his insanity, not the dribbling down your chin insane but the kind of insane we associate with pol pot, Stalin and so on.

We will never stop deranged nutters going on rampages fortunately in the past these idiots have been just that and usually commit suicide before being caught this guy though planned to be caught and is counting on Norway not to kill him. As far as I can see he rates his trial and chance to speak as the most important bit and god knows how many other madmen he will inspire now.

Whilst equally as disturbing for a civilised nation, Norway and the worlds best response would be for him to quietly hang himself in his cell, his continued life will serve only to inspire the worst elements of western society and the last thing the world needs is an army of right wing Christian jihadis viing for death counts with Islamic jihadis

Norm_uk

That's something I can completely agree with.
All killers create a place where they can justify what they do. This fellow is no different, just frightening more capable of causing mayhem than most other mentally ill murderers.
It's amazing how whenever white people go bad the Nazi reference crops up. This chap apparently seems to be pro-Israel and anti-Islam - that makes for a bad Nazi since their official line was pro-Islam and anti-Jew.
You should read what Al Capone said when he was caught - something about doing civic service and helping society. These sorts of people always have chilling rationale.
We will find out his aim from his own lips when the trial begins today. I suspect you are right in that he wants to punish the parents of those who have sold out Norway's homogenous culture with multiculturalist Marxism. I don't put him in the same league as the champion mass murderers of human history like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao etc - for he is one man with no power or influence...and I doubt if he were given power that he would actually be able to kill a quarter of the people the Socialists did, his agenda doesn't appear to be as sweeping as making the world socialist.
What he did would only inspire very sick and deranged people. However a lot what he appears to have been standing against is understandable. There are a growing number of people in the West who agree with most of this man's views. But less than 0.001% would agree with his actions or justifications for them. One man cannot change anything in any case. I feel more and more he did this terrible deed for attention. He's probably very self-assured, arrogant, intelligent, well informed and probably more educated than the average person.

I do not think an army of right wing Christians will rise up to counter the far left Islamists, Christianity has only ever truly been violent when it was in bed with government, and a huge chunk of Christianity's most violent episodes were defensive/retaliatory (like the Crusades).

Violence against tyranny is actually justified, but the trick is to win so as not to end like Guy Fawkes with your head on a pike instead of George Washington whose head is on the money...

N.

Norm_uk

So am I...and a growing number of others in the West and worldwide.

But if he was truly political he'd be writing about it, running for office etc. If he was political and violent he'd be organising an underground resistance with plans to overthrow the government to usher in his ideal society....what he has done is a lone wolf mass murder - that's not the actions of someone with political aspirations.

We wouldn't have heard of George Washington if all he did was kill a load of English colonists one day and set fire to a Government building before being arrested by the local militia.

N.

The Dean

"...and a huge chunk of Christianity's most violent episodes were defensive/retaliatory (like the Crusades)..."

Is that true? History lesson please, Norm, as that's a new angle to me.

shiva

in terms of numbers or power of course not but in killing people to stop acts they may or may not undertake in the future I'd say they compare and his desire to influence is certainly there. It's the same mentality thankfully without the totalitarian control

norsk

This article does a pretty good job of explaining how Norwegians in general have a different view of how we should get past the atrocities of last Friday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/eiri..._b_908008.html

sherri

Meow

I fully agree with you.

As I have said previously, in every country, social group or religion, there are occasionally people who act in this horrific way. It's shocking, but you cannot really plan for it or legislate against it. Such people do not care about the opinions of their peers or other people in general. They are are abberation, which is why we are never expect such behaviour, especially in places that are considered law-abiding, rational and peaceful.

WakeUp

From Time Magazine Interview with a Madman: Breivik asks and answers his own questions.


http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...084895,00.html

Paracletus

He has said he is not a racist and believes that the right wing peddle outdated ideas. He is also pro-gay rights. I really wouldn't be surprised if it turns out he is not a religious fundamentalist, not seen much evidence in that direction bar what the media have chosen to call him.

Norm_uk

I'd be happy to go into detail over PM or perhaps a new thread as it's off topic and will provoke fury and hellfire from some Muslims and their apologists on these boards but will say this:

The first Crusade happened three centuries after Muslim armies violently annexed a third of what was then the Christian world. Rome was sacked two centuries before it. It was launched for three reasons. 1) In response to Muslims stopping Christian Pilgrims going to Jerusalem. 2) As a means to find something to do for the ranks of lesser nobility and men at arms in Europe. 3) As payback for three and a half centuries of seeing Christian kingdoms fall or pay tribute in women, money and goods to the armies of the religion of peace.

If you don't want to go to PM just look up Charles Martel and then ask yourself what had Christians done to Muslims in the 8th Century to provoke such a furious attempt to wipe out European civillisation? The events prior to the first Crusade are called the First Jihad by Muslims and saw their biggest gains by direct violence. The second Jihad was mostly the Ottoman Empire and the Third is what the radicals call what's happening in Europe today...their words not mine.

N.

Norm_uk

Another media outlet reverting to the Far Right Nazi label because that's all they have to offer when white people go bad, whatever the reason.

I've expressed similar political opinions in these forums and been accused of everything from being a racist, hating all Muslims, supporting the BNP and everything in between. It's easier to destroy arguments with labels and personal attacks that debate uncomfortable truths. I think the more we do that the more people like him will feel the need to do something insane.

Still one thing is certain, this man has the limelight he wanted...far more than any run of the mill cowardly suicide bomber. He has a message and is going get his platform. We are all already speculating why he did this and he's not even in court yet.

He is a terrifying individual...

N.

Paracletus

I have read they are holding their sentencing meeting behind closed doors. He proclaims to be a member of a new order of the knights Templar. It's also been noted that he was a freemason, but was expelled on Saturday. I'm curious to see what evidence they find of his supposed network of conservative revolutionaries..

Also, this guy didn't like the BNP because he doesn't approve of their dated racist views.

sherri

There is no difference between him and an islamist extremist/terrorist, both have killed innocent people and encourage more mayhem and bloodshed to achieve their twisted motives. Also, folks who believe in his ideology are no different from people who endorse Muslim extremists.

Before you challenge my statement, please read his book, I’m currently on page 506!

sherri

Yes he is a culturalist.

In my view what he did bear a resemblance to Gandhi's assassination. Nathuram Godse, assassin of Gandhi, was a member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh or RSS (National Volunteers' Organisation in English) that was and is a hard line Hindu nationalist group that believes India only belongs to Hindus and they felt that Gandhi was getting in their way to take over India. It seems Anders Breivik has done all this to deliver Godse style speech at his trial to inspire others to follow on this footsteps.