The Burka
Oct 31st 2013 | 10:20 pm
#168
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Re: The Burka
This is one shit boring thread.
Oct 31st 2013 | 10:45 pm
#169
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Re: The Burka
Nov 1st 2013 | 9:21 am
#172
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Re: The Burka
Here you are darling..listen to this, people die for their country as well you know..it isn't always about religion.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qo0DpoH1268
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qo0DpoH1268
Nov 1st 2013 | 11:37 pm
#173
Bored liberal
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Re: The Burka
Erh.. may be a brush up on your general knowledge might help. Sharks are not little fish, they are actually big sea creatures with sharp teeth and a big appetite for eating other creatures including catfish.
The way you perceive Islam is akin to that Afghan villager who looks at the west and with his meagre knowledge draws his funny conclusions. But I will address your inquiries.
For Muslims the source of rights and wrongs is derived, first and foremost from the Quran, and second from the authentic traditions of the prophet of Islam. The Quran was fully documented letter by letter when it was first revealed, but the traditions of the prophet , however, were not because the Prophet himself didn’t allow his sayings to be written. Quran therefore, remained over the time the unaltered script form the creator, while the traditions and the sayings of the prophet suffered the same fate as that of the old testaments and the bible, i.e they got tampered with and distorted.
Now even though those traditions and sayings of the prophet were eventually documented two centuries after his death and became known as Ahadiths books, they still contained a mixture of authentic, doubtful, and falsely narrated, basically lies. Take for example Stoning, it was indeed mentioned in one those books but it clearly contradicts the Quranic rule on adultery which is flogging. Another example is the death punishment for rejecting the faith, no such thing you can find in the Quran, and so on and so forth. That’s why what I stand for here is the Quran, the ultimate truth for me.
Now since we are talking about adultery, it is worth mentioned this fact. Although Quran severely condemned homosexuality describing it as nasty, unnatural, evil, and sinful acts in the story of prophet Lot, there was however, no mention of any punishment for it!! On the other hand, in the case of adultery between a man and a woman Quran specified flogging as a punishment (more of a name and shame treatment). The reason is because in the heterosexual relationships there is a third party’s right involved, the children, who’s right according to Quran must be protected
The way you perceive Islam is akin to that Afghan villager who looks at the west and with his meagre knowledge draws his funny conclusions. But I will address your inquiries.
For Muslims the source of rights and wrongs is derived, first and foremost from the Quran, and second from the authentic traditions of the prophet of Islam. The Quran was fully documented letter by letter when it was first revealed, but the traditions of the prophet , however, were not because the Prophet himself didn’t allow his sayings to be written. Quran therefore, remained over the time the unaltered script form the creator, while the traditions and the sayings of the prophet suffered the same fate as that of the old testaments and the bible, i.e they got tampered with and distorted.
Now even though those traditions and sayings of the prophet were eventually documented two centuries after his death and became known as Ahadiths books, they still contained a mixture of authentic, doubtful, and falsely narrated, basically lies. Take for example Stoning, it was indeed mentioned in one those books but it clearly contradicts the Quranic rule on adultery which is flogging. Another example is the death punishment for rejecting the faith, no such thing you can find in the Quran, and so on and so forth. That’s why what I stand for here is the Quran, the ultimate truth for me.
Now since we are talking about adultery, it is worth mentioned this fact. Although Quran severely condemned homosexuality describing it as nasty, unnatural, evil, and sinful acts in the story of prophet Lot, there was however, no mention of any punishment for it!! On the other hand, in the case of adultery between a man and a woman Quran specified flogging as a punishment (more of a name and shame treatment). The reason is because in the heterosexual relationships there is a third party’s right involved, the children, who’s right according to Quran must be protected
In short, no you can't justify stoning and you didn't even address the question. Typical and you still aren't recognising sarcasm are you, you minnow?
You're pointless.
Nov 2nd 2013 | 3:34 am
#174
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Re: The Burka
They are taught (like medieval Europeans) that their previous cultures and beliefs were all backwards and evil. A massive campaign of 'book burning' and temple desecration leaves us with little to judge them on beyond what their current system tells us. And since non-Muslim archaeologists are not allowed into Mecca (gee, I wonder why?) we can only reasonably speculate.
Unlike us, who can look back to our Saxon, Roman, Celtic/Gaelic or indeed pre-Celtic British ancestors and objectively study their culture and beliefs with increasing historical accuracy to add to a clear identity that sits with our post-Christian civilisation in an global community he cannot do that because his identity is firmly rooted in his beliefs first and foremost. Even his evaluations of us and our beliefs and culture is through the eyes of what his book and his peers have taught him.
I am so glad we are not "The People of the Book" as they call us but have many millions of books and write more every single day than his civilisation produces in a decade...
N.
Unlike us, who can look back to our Saxon, Roman, Celtic/Gaelic or indeed pre-Celtic British ancestors and objectively study their culture and beliefs with increasing historical accuracy to add to a clear identity that sits with our post-Christian civilisation in an global community he cannot do that because his identity is firmly rooted in his beliefs first and foremost. Even his evaluations of us and our beliefs and culture is through the eyes of what his book and his peers have taught him.
I am so glad we are not "The People of the Book" as they call us but have many millions of books and write more every single day than his civilisation produces in a decade...
N.
Let me educate you as to why an Egyptian would be more proud of his Muslim heritage than his pharaonic heritage. Because Islam brought him civilized human ideologies. Listen to this example and try to free your mind from superstitions and imaginations; Since the early time of the Pharaohs there was a tradition in Egypt whereby in every single year the whole country would gather and select the most beautiful woman in the country, the Miss Egypt kind of thing. They would then take her on-board a boat and throw her into the Nile river so that it will be pleased with them and flood their lands. They did that because the annual flooding of the river Nile was extremely crucial for their agriculture. That tradition continued all the way past the Christian era in Egypt until the time when the Muslims arrived and stopped that atrocities once and for all. The story of how the Muslim stopped it is quite telling: Basically in the year when the Muslims first came into Egypt, the Coptic monk approached the Muslim ruler requesting his permission to carry out this ritual in the Nile because it is their tradition and their lives depend on the Nile. The ruler was baffled by that idea but he promised to send a letter to the grant Calif Omer for his opinion on this matter. Omer then replied with this message to the ruler: Gather the people and go and stand next to the Nile and tell it that if you think that it was up to you whether or not to flood your water then don’t flood if you so wish. But we know it is the will of God that will make you flood, therefore we all pray to God that you shall flood whether you like it or not.
For any dragon of hate, such historical events mean nothing!!
Nov 2nd 2013 | 3:55 am
#175
Hit 16's
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Re: The Burka
Why don’t you rather than telling all this nonsense rants and baseless accusations that would make any self respecting historian fall on his back laughing, tell us what you think of Zionism? You have ditched this question (among others) twice already! What are you afraid to tell us? I am not afraid to say what I believe in to any one, so what have you got to hide Norm????? Is it because it has some raciest ideologies that are embarrassing?
Let me educate you as to why an Egyptian would be more proud of his Muslim heritage than his pharaonic heritage. Because Islam brought him civilized human ideologies. Listen to this example and try to free your mind from superstitions and imaginations; Since the early time of the Pharaohs there was a tradition in Egypt whereby in every single year the whole country would gather and select the most beautiful woman in the country, the Miss Egypt kind of thing. They would then take her on-board a boat and throw her into the Nile river so that it will be pleased with them and flood their lands. They did that because the annual flooding of the river Nile was extremely crucial for their agriculture. That tradition continued all the way past the Christian era in Egypt until the time when the Muslims arrived and stopped that atrocities once and for all. The story of how the Muslim stopped it is quite telling: Basically in the year when the Muslims first came into Egypt, the Coptic monk approached the Muslim ruler requesting his permission to carry out this ritual in the Nile because it is their tradition and their lives depend on the Nile. The ruler was baffled by that idea but he promised to send a letter to the grant Calif Omer for his opinion on this matter. Omer then replied with this message to the ruler: Gather the people and go and stand next to the Nile and tell it that if you think that it was up to you whether or not to flood your water then don’t flood if you so wish. But we know it is the will of God that will make you flood, therefore we all pray to God that you shall flood whether you like it or not.
For any dragon of hate, such historical events mean nothing!!
Let me educate you as to why an Egyptian would be more proud of his Muslim heritage than his pharaonic heritage. Because Islam brought him civilized human ideologies. Listen to this example and try to free your mind from superstitions and imaginations; Since the early time of the Pharaohs there was a tradition in Egypt whereby in every single year the whole country would gather and select the most beautiful woman in the country, the Miss Egypt kind of thing. They would then take her on-board a boat and throw her into the Nile river so that it will be pleased with them and flood their lands. They did that because the annual flooding of the river Nile was extremely crucial for their agriculture. That tradition continued all the way past the Christian era in Egypt until the time when the Muslims arrived and stopped that atrocities once and for all. The story of how the Muslim stopped it is quite telling: Basically in the year when the Muslims first came into Egypt, the Coptic monk approached the Muslim ruler requesting his permission to carry out this ritual in the Nile because it is their tradition and their lives depend on the Nile. The ruler was baffled by that idea but he promised to send a letter to the grant Calif Omer for his opinion on this matter. Omer then replied with this message to the ruler: Gather the people and go and stand next to the Nile and tell it that if you think that it was up to you whether or not to flood your water then don’t flood if you so wish. But we know it is the will of God that will make you flood, therefore we all pray to God that you shall flood whether you like it or not.
For any dragon of hate, such historical events mean nothing!!
Nov 2nd 2013 | 4:00 am
#176
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From: UK
Re: The Burka
Historically that has been the case. However now that some men (and women) are trying to right the wrong of female submission, it is ironic that some women who have the benefit of free thought seek to undermine their efforts.
Nov 2nd 2013 | 4:02 am
#177
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Re: The Burka
There is a category of women which doesn't fit that description. Brainwashing from birth can be quite effective.
Nov 2nd 2013 | 4:04 am
#178
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From: UK
Re: The Burka
Yes, obviously, but that is not the category to which I refer. It's the misguided Western liberals that are the issue. The ones that equate freedom of dress with freedom of speech, not quite making the connection that the supposed "freedom to dress" is not in fact a freedom but an aspect of repression.
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Nov 2nd 2013 | 4:42 am
#179
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Re: The Burka
Yes, obviously, but that is not the category to which I refer. It's the misguided Western liberals that are the issue. The ones that equate freedom of dress with freedom of speech, not quite making the connection that the freedom to dress is not in fact a freedom but an aspect of repression.
Nov 2nd 2013 | 8:17 pm
#180
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Re: The Burka
Since the early time of the Pharaohs there was a tradition in Egypt whereby in every single year the whole country would gather and select the most beautiful woman in the country, the Miss Egypt kind of thing. They would then take her on-board a boat and throw her into the Nile river so that it will be pleased with them and flood their lands. They did that because the annual flooding of the river Nile was extremely crucial for their agriculture. That tradition continued all the way past the Christian era in Egypt until the time when the Muslims arrived and stopped that atrocities once and for all. The story of how the Muslim stopped it is quite telling: Basically in the year when the Muslims first came into Egypt, the Coptic monk approached the Muslim ruler requesting his permission to carry out this ritual in the Nile because it is their tradition and their lives depend on the Nile. The ruler was baffled by that idea but he promised to send a letter to the grant Calif Omer for his opinion on this matter. Omer then replied with this message to the ruler: Gather the people and go and stand next to the Nile and tell it that if you think that it was up to you whether or not to flood your water then don’t flood if you so wish. But we know it is the will of God that will make you flood, therefore we all pray to God that you shall flood whether you like it or not.
Bit like me telling you that banging your head 5 times a day makes 0 difference to anything in life really..............and would be correct.
Also, Muslims are some of the poorest most hard done to people on the planet - Surely if there was a god that millions pray too out here, we would live in a lush green environment with food and water plenty full as against the infidels having all the best areas?
