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Islamic Peace conference:
http://vladtepesblog.com/2013/10/19/...rence-in-oslo/
http://vladtepesblog.com/2013/10/19/...rence-in-oslo/
Don’t see what the fuss about. Apart from a few wrong things he mentioned, like stonning and segregation which have no reference in Quran ,I more or less agree with the rest. That clip was an answer to a question, we don’t know what the question was. Does it make someone a radical if he believed in capital punishment?
A Radical is the one who is blinded by hate and can’t see the good side of his opponent.
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I'd love to know more about your background sharky and I'm still waiting for you to answer and tell us if you have even visited the Middle East or if all your fervor is that of the man who's never lived in his religious homeland
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Don’t see what the fuss about. Apart from a few wrong things he mentioned, like stonning and segregation which have no reference in Quran ,I more or less agree with the rest. That clip was an answer to a question, we don’t know what the question was. Does it make someone a radical if he believed in capital punishment?
A Radical is the one who is blinded by hate and can’t see the good side of his opponent.
A Radical is the one who is blinded by hate and can’t see the good side of his opponent.
If, as you say, there is "no reference to stoning and segregation in (the) Quran" why are these things practiced in many Muslim countries? Where is the justification?
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*sets out deckchairs and refills popcorn machine*
#159
You'd better off waiting for your pension. red fish isn't capable of rational arguement, only delusional dogma.
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Mate, I have already answered that question before. I was born in the Middle East and left it during my teen. I came back to it and worked in the UAE for sometime. I know the Middle East like the back of my hand, every single little bit of it, just like any other Arabs do.
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The way you perceive Islam is akin to that Afghan villager who looks at the west and with his meagre knowledge draws his funny conclusions. But I will address your inquiries.
For Muslims the source of rights and wrongs is derived, first and foremost from the Quran, and second from the authentic traditions of the prophet of Islam. The Quran was fully documented letter by letter when it was first revealed, but the traditions of the prophet , however, were not because the Prophet himself didn’t allow his sayings to be written. Quran therefore, remained over the time the unaltered script form the creator, while the traditions and the sayings of the prophet suffered the same fate as that of the old testaments and the bible, i.e they got tampered with and distorted.
Now even though those traditions and sayings of the prophet were eventually documented two centuries after his death and became known as Ahadiths books, they still contained a mixture of authentic, doubtful, and falsely narrated, basically lies. Take for example Stoning, it was indeed mentioned in one those books but it clearly contradicts the Quranic rule on adultery which is flogging. Another example is the death punishment for rejecting the faith, no such thing you can find in the Quran, and so on and so forth. That’s why what I stand for here is the Quran, the ultimate truth for me.
Now since we are talking about adultery, it is worth mentioned this fact. Although Quran severely condemned homosexuality describing it as nasty, unnatural, evil, and sinful acts in the story of prophet Lot, there was however, no mention of any punishment for it!! On the other hand, in the case of adultery between a man and a woman Quran specified flogging as a punishment (more of a name and shame treatment). The reason is because in the heterosexual relationships there is a third party’s right involved, the children, who’s right according to Quran must be protected
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Mate, I have already answered that question before. I was born in the Middle East and left it during my teen. I came back to it and worked in the UAE for sometime. I know the Middle East like the back of my hand, every single little bit of it, just like any other Arabs do.
Since you are Iraqi, why do you feel the urge to support the GCC Arabs on their treatment of non Khaleejis?
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Iraqi!!! How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion?? And what makes you think I support the GCC people on everything?? I know all about the sickening crap that goes on there, but I would’nt like to sing the same songs as you guys on here do because I view the GCC people in a different way than you do. I share the same religious and other values with them. Let me give you an example of what I mean. Take the Germans for example. The Germans have killed tens of thousands british people, far far more than any Muslim have done. Yet you as a british person feel more related to a German person than you would do to a Saudi for example. Its how we humans are made, values and beliefs ( normally are derived from religions) are the main dividers between us
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Iraqi!!! How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion?? And what makes you think I support the GCC people on everything?? I know all about the sickening crap that goes on there, but I would’nt like to sing the same songs as you guys on here do because I view the GCC people in a different way than you do. I share the same religious and other values with them. Let me give you an example of what I mean. Take the Germans for example. The Germans have killed tens of thousands british people, far far more than any Muslim have done. Yet you as a british person feel more related to a German person than you would do to a Saudi for example. Its how we humans are made, values and beliefs ( normally are derived from religions) are the main dividers between us
Aren't you in the least bit miffed that your Mandean or Chaldean ancestors were taken over , and the remaining Mandean and Chaldean Iraqis are being ethnically cleansed by Islamists? Why as someone who comes from a culture far older than Arabian Islamic culture do you feel the need to go to bat for the GCC Arabs out of some sense of Islamic solidarity; I am really curious and this is a genuine question and not put down.
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See what I am bemused about is that you as an Iraqi has had his culture destroyed by Islamic invaders from Arabia (assuming you aren't one of the tribes whos origin for the most part is not Arabian) and yet you defend them because they are Muslims. I am not singling you out because I am well aware that converted groups the world over feel the need to stick up for the very culture that conquered them; truly Stockholm Syndrome on a massive scale.
Aren't you in the least bit miffed that your Mandean or Chaldean ancestors were taken over , and the remaining Mandean and Chaldean Iraqis are being ethnically cleansed by Islamists? Why as someone who comes from a culture far older than Arabian Islamic culture do you feel the need to go to bat for the GCC Arabs out of some sense of Islamic solidarity; I am really curious and this is a genuine question and not put down.
Aren't you in the least bit miffed that your Mandean or Chaldean ancestors were taken over , and the remaining Mandean and Chaldean Iraqis are being ethnically cleansed by Islamists? Why as someone who comes from a culture far older than Arabian Islamic culture do you feel the need to go to bat for the GCC Arabs out of some sense of Islamic solidarity; I am really curious and this is a genuine question and not put down.
Here is an experiment any one can conduct. Tomorrow morning if you meet any Muslim on the road stop him and ask him this question: What comes first, your religion or your country? Just see what he will tell you.



