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Old Oct 30th 2013 | 1:14 am
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Islam in Europe faces two serious enemies, the Muslim radicals, and the media.
Islamic Peace conference:
http://vladtepesblog.com/2013/10/19/...rence-in-oslo/
 
Old Oct 30th 2013 | 9:51 am
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Don’t see what the fuss about. Apart from a few wrong things he mentioned, like stonning and segregation which have no reference in Quran ,I more or less agree with the rest. That clip was an answer to a question, we don’t know what the question was. Does it make someone a radical if he believed in capital punishment?

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Old Oct 30th 2013 | 9:55 am
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Your understanding? Seems to me, and I suspect most other posters, that you understand very little indeed.

My understanding is that you are a deeply bigoted individual.
I have already coined a word that describes you guys, 'the living illusions lot'
 
Old Oct 30th 2013 | 10:14 am
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I have already coined a word that describes you guys, 'the living illusions lot'
We have coined a word for you, to, red fish. delusioned...living in the 21st Century seems to be beyond your mental capabilities, stuck in the 14th Century as you are fated to be.
 
Old Oct 30th 2013 | 3:52 pm
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I'd love to know more about your background sharky and I'm still waiting for you to answer and tell us if you have even visited the Middle East or if all your fervor is that of the man who's never lived in his religious homeland
 
Old Oct 31st 2013 | 12:23 am
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Originally Posted by redShark
Don’t see what the fuss about. Apart from a few wrong things he mentioned, like stonning and segregation which have no reference in Quran ,I more or less agree with the rest. That clip was an answer to a question, we don’t know what the question was. Does it make someone a radical if he believed in capital punishment?

A Radical is the one who is blinded by hate and can’t see the good side of his opponent.


If, as you say, there is "no reference to stoning and segregation in (the) Quran" why are these things practiced in many Muslim countries? Where is the justification?
 
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If, as you say, there is "no reference to stoning and segregation in (the) Quran" why are these things practiced in many Muslim countries? Where is the justification?
Misogynistic males with fragile, threatened egos justify, in their simplistic minds, the ends....
 
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Misogynistic males with fragile, threatened egos justify, in their simplistic minds, the ends....
Everyone apart from the deluded little fish are aware of this and how primitive such things are, so let's see if he can come up with any justification for stoning.

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Everyone apart from the deluded little fish are aware of this and how primitive such things are, so let's see if he can come up with any justification for stoning.

*sets out deckchairs and refills popcorn machine*
You'd better off waiting for your pension. red fish isn't capable of rational arguement, only delusional dogma.
 
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Originally Posted by shiva
I'd love to know more about your background sharky and I'm still waiting for you to answer and tell us if you have even visited the Middle East or if all your fervor is that of the man who's never lived in his religious homeland

Mate, I have already answered that question before. I was born in the Middle East and left it during my teen. I came back to it and worked in the UAE for sometime. I know the Middle East like the back of my hand, every single little bit of it, just like any other Arabs do.
 
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Originally Posted by Meow
Everyone apart from the deluded little fish are aware of this and how primitive such things are, so let's see if he can come up with any justification for stoning.

*sets out deckchairs and refills popcorn machine*
Erh.. may be a brush up on your general knowledge might help. Sharks are not little fish, they are actually big sea creatures with sharp teeth and a big appetite for eating other creatures including catfish.

The way you perceive Islam is akin to that Afghan villager who looks at the west and with his meagre knowledge draws his funny conclusions. But I will address your inquiries.

For Muslims the source of rights and wrongs is derived, first and foremost from the Quran, and second from the authentic traditions of the prophet of Islam. The Quran was fully documented letter by letter when it was first revealed, but the traditions of the prophet , however, were not because the Prophet himself didn’t allow his sayings to be written. Quran therefore, remained over the time the unaltered script form the creator, while the traditions and the sayings of the prophet suffered the same fate as that of the old testaments and the bible, i.e they got tampered with and distorted.
Now even though those traditions and sayings of the prophet were eventually documented two centuries after his death and became known as Ahadiths books, they still contained a mixture of authentic, doubtful, and falsely narrated, basically lies. Take for example Stoning, it was indeed mentioned in one those books but it clearly contradicts the Quranic rule on adultery which is flogging. Another example is the death punishment for rejecting the faith, no such thing you can find in the Quran, and so on and so forth. That’s why what I stand for here is the Quran, the ultimate truth for me.

Now since we are talking about adultery, it is worth mentioned this fact. Although Quran severely condemned homosexuality describing it as nasty, unnatural, evil, and sinful acts in the story of prophet Lot, there was however, no mention of any punishment for it!! On the other hand, in the case of adultery between a man and a woman Quran specified flogging as a punishment (more of a name and shame treatment). The reason is because in the heterosexual relationships there is a third party’s right involved, the children, who’s right according to Quran must be protected
 
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Mate, I have already answered that question before. I was born in the Middle East and left it during my teen. I came back to it and worked in the UAE for sometime. I know the Middle East like the back of my hand, every single little bit of it, just like any other Arabs do.
Red, I am curious, so hope you would answer the following:

Since you are Iraqi, why do you feel the urge to support the GCC Arabs on their treatment of non Khaleejis?
 
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Red, I am curious, so hope you would answer the following:

Since you are Iraqi, why do you feel the urge to support the GCC Arabs on their treatment of non Khaleejis?
Iraqi!!! How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion?? And what makes you think I support the GCC people on everything?? I know all about the sickening crap that goes on there, but I would’nt like to sing the same songs as you guys on here do because I view the GCC people in a different way than you do. I share the same religious and other values with them. Let me give you an example of what I mean. Take the Germans for example. The Germans have killed tens of thousands british people, far far more than any Muslim have done. Yet you as a british person feel more related to a German person than you would do to a Saudi for example. Its how we humans are made, values and beliefs ( normally are derived from religions) are the main dividers between us
 
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Iraqi!!! How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion?? And what makes you think I support the GCC people on everything?? I know all about the sickening crap that goes on there, but I would’nt like to sing the same songs as you guys on here do because I view the GCC people in a different way than you do. I share the same religious and other values with them. Let me give you an example of what I mean. Take the Germans for example. The Germans have killed tens of thousands british people, far far more than any Muslim have done. Yet you as a british person feel more related to a German person than you would do to a Saudi for example. Its how we humans are made, values and beliefs ( normally are derived from religions) are the main dividers between us
See what I am bemused about is that you as an Iraqi has had his culture destroyed by Islamic invaders from Arabia (assuming you aren't one of the tribes whos origin for the most part is not Arabian) and yet you defend them because they are Muslims. I am not singling you out because I am well aware that converted groups the world over feel the need to stick up for the very culture that conquered them; truly Stockholm Syndrome on a massive scale.

Aren't you in the least bit miffed that your Mandean or Chaldean ancestors were taken over , and the remaining Mandean and Chaldean Iraqis are being ethnically cleansed by Islamists? Why as someone who comes from a culture far older than Arabian Islamic culture do you feel the need to go to bat for the GCC Arabs out of some sense of Islamic solidarity; I am really curious and this is a genuine question and not put down.
 
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See what I am bemused about is that you as an Iraqi has had his culture destroyed by Islamic invaders from Arabia (assuming you aren't one of the tribes whos origin for the most part is not Arabian) and yet you defend them because they are Muslims. I am not singling you out because I am well aware that converted groups the world over feel the need to stick up for the very culture that conquered them; truly Stockholm Syndrome on a massive scale.

Aren't you in the least bit miffed that your Mandean or Chaldean ancestors were taken over , and the remaining Mandean and Chaldean Iraqis are being ethnically cleansed by Islamists? Why as someone who comes from a culture far older than Arabian Islamic culture do you feel the need to go to bat for the GCC Arabs out of some sense of Islamic solidarity; I am really curious and this is a genuine question and not put down.
Your question is best posed to an Egyptian person because they represent a nation that was pure in terms of culture and religion before the advent of Islam. Take a typical Egyptian Muslim and examine his Genes, you would hardly find 10% of Arab in him. Yet if you ask him what is his heritage he would say he is more proud of belonging to the glory of Islam than belonging to the glory of the pharaohs and the pyramids? There is a uniqueness in this faith over others in that once it captures the heart and the mind of an individual it becomes his identity, his culture, and his religion.

Here is an experiment any one can conduct. Tomorrow morning if you meet any Muslim on the road stop him and ask him this question: What comes first, your religion or your country? Just see what he will tell you.
 


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