Upcoming Referendum
Jun 25th 2016 | 3:55 am
#166
Born again atheist
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From: Europe (to be specified).
Re: Upcoming Referendum
EU politicians, like the rest of us, are shellshocked by a result they never really expected. They called our bluff when Cameron went looking for reform ahead of the vote so the UK has just called theirs. As an institution it's currently teetering on the brink. Unless it finds a way to either drastically reform itself or introduce an associate 'EU-lite' option for the UK and others thinking of jumping ship then it's doomed. Business as usual is simply not an option.
It's the UK as an institution that's tottering on the brink, not the EU.
Jun 25th 2016 | 4:27 am
#167
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From: Not in Paris
Re: Upcoming Referendum
It's the UK as an institution that's tottering on the brink, not the EU.
Jun 25th 2016 | 7:20 am
#168
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Perhaps but then no-one, not even Farage who conceded defeat as soon as the polls had closed, thought that Leave would win. Both Boris and Cameron's aims were the same - to use the referendum as a proxy war for leadership of the Conservative Party. Neither of them thought it would actually result in a change of status quo. Cameron only promised a referendum as he thought he would be back in a coalition government with the Lib Dems who would've vetoed it.
All bets are off at the moment. Might be worth a punt on Trump being in the White House come 21st January.
Jun 25th 2016 | 1:59 pm
#169
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From: Not in Paris
Re: Upcoming Referendum
You only had to take a look at Boris' face when he gave his 'victory' speech yesterday that he suddenly realised the enormity of what he had done. Blind panic springs to mind.
Jun 25th 2016 | 4:09 pm
#170
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Well, the s**t has definitely hit the fan. Britain is in turmoil. How far will the pound drop, remembering many British people live abroad and rely on steady, reasonable exchange rates.
Jun 25th 2016 | 8:18 pm
#171
Was in Canada, now home.
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Jun 26th 2016 | 1:52 am
#172
The Kwisatz Haderach
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
The pound has come back some already. It's where it was Last week from what I can tell.
I think it's over inflated anyway, makes it hard for exports.
A lower pound would be good for us exporting and for attracting more visitors from other countries. Not so good for retirees living elsewhere.
Lots of histrionics online on some other sites. Woah is me, we're all going to hell in a hand basket and It's all the fault of the older generations sticking it to the younger ones who are throwing their toys out of the pram and calling for another vote. Democracy isn't their strong point when they don't get their own way.
I think it's over inflated anyway, makes it hard for exports.
A lower pound would be good for us exporting and for attracting more visitors from other countries. Not so good for retirees living elsewhere.
Lots of histrionics online on some other sites. Woah is me, we're all going to hell in a hand basket and It's all the fault of the older generations sticking it to the younger ones who are throwing their toys out of the pram and calling for another vote. Democracy isn't their strong point when they don't get their own way.
Jun 26th 2016 | 3:39 am
#173
WhiteRabbit
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,480
From: USA
Re: Upcoming Referendum
The pound has come back some already. It's where it was Last week from what I can tell.
I think it's over inflated anyway, makes it hard for exports.
A lower pound would be good for us exporting and for attracting more visitors from other countries. Not so good for retirees living elsewhere.
Lots of histrionics online on some other sites. Woah is me, we're all going to hell in a hand basket and It's all the fault of the older generations sticking it to the younger ones who are throwing their toys out of the pram and calling for another vote. Democracy isn't their strong point when they don't get their own way.
I think it's over inflated anyway, makes it hard for exports.
A lower pound would be good for us exporting and for attracting more visitors from other countries. Not so good for retirees living elsewhere.
Lots of histrionics online on some other sites. Woah is me, we're all going to hell in a hand basket and It's all the fault of the older generations sticking it to the younger ones who are throwing their toys out of the pram and calling for another vote. Democracy isn't their strong point when they don't get their own way.
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Jun 26th 2016 | 3:57 am
#174
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Jun 26th 2016 | 7:21 am
#175
Was in Canada, now home.
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,388
From: Devon
Re: Upcoming Referendum
The pound has come back some already. It's where it was Last week from what I can tell.
I think it's over inflated anyway, makes it hard for exports.
A lower pound would be good for us exporting and for attracting more visitors from other countries. Not so good for retirees living elsewhere.
Lots of histrionics online on some other sites. Woah is me, we're all going to hell in a hand basket and It's all the fault of the older generations sticking it to the younger ones who are throwing their toys out of the pram and calling for another vote. Democracy isn't their strong point when they don't get their own way.
I think it's over inflated anyway, makes it hard for exports.
A lower pound would be good for us exporting and for attracting more visitors from other countries. Not so good for retirees living elsewhere.
Lots of histrionics online on some other sites. Woah is me, we're all going to hell in a hand basket and It's all the fault of the older generations sticking it to the younger ones who are throwing their toys out of the pram and calling for another vote. Democracy isn't their strong point when they don't get their own way.
Jun 26th 2016 | 10:55 am
#176
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: Not in Paris
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Fair enough.
Look, I was of the same opinion as you have, namely that the whole thing has been a pointless exercise because after a No vote the UK would remain in the EEA. It begins to look as if there are important elements in the EU who are so pissed off with the UK and so afraid of spreading contagion into several other countries, that this fall back will not be an option now.
Look, I was of the same opinion as you have, namely that the whole thing has been a pointless exercise because after a No vote the UK would remain in the EEA. It begins to look as if there are important elements in the EU who are so pissed off with the UK and so afraid of spreading contagion into several other countries, that this fall back will not be an option now.
I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be
Jun 26th 2016 | 11:27 am
#177
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Boris has just confirmed our suspicions.
I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be
I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be
British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer.
The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal. This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country – to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK.
The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal. This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country – to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK.
Unless EU free movement is still part of a post-Brexit deal, the claim (though correct) lacks transparency that it won't be a simple matter anymore.
As the direct beneficiary of ECJ case law, I think the ECJ does a pretty good job. UK court can ask to ECJ for it's opinion but can choose to either accept that opinion or ignore it.
Jun 26th 2016 | 11:30 am
#178
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 18,800
From: Not in Paris
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Not in the way they can currently do as EU nationals. For example, there are vast differences between the amount of documentation required for EU nationals to live, work and purchase property in Malta than there is for non-EU nationals. It's likely to be so in other EU countries too.
Unless EU free movement is still part of a post-Brexit deal, the claim (though correct) lacks transparency that it won't be a simple matter anymore.
As the direct beneficiary of ECJ case law, I think the ECJ does a pretty good job. UK court can ask to ECJ for it's opinion but can choose to either accept that opinion or ignore it.
Unless EU free movement is still part of a post-Brexit deal, the claim (though correct) lacks transparency that it won't be a simple matter anymore.
As the direct beneficiary of ECJ case law, I think the ECJ does a pretty good job. UK court can ask to ECJ for it's opinion but can choose to either accept that opinion or ignore it.
Jun 26th 2016 | 11:37 am
#179
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
And that's taking our country back apparently.....
Jun 26th 2016 | 11:39 am
#180
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From: Not in Paris
Re: Upcoming Referendum
