Upcoming Referendum

Old Apr 26th 2016, 11:21 pm
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Why do a people who once thought they should rule the world, now think they would be better in isolation?
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Old Apr 26th 2016, 11:40 pm
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Originally Posted by rebeccajo View Post
Why do a people who once thought they should rule the world, now think they would be better in isolation?
A more accurate, somewhat ironic, question would be why do a people who once ruled much of the world now don't like it when someone tries to do the same to them?
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Old Apr 27th 2016, 12:47 am
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A more accurate, somewhat ironic, question would be why do a people who once ruled much of the world now don't like it when someone tries to do the same to them?
I've heard it put that way. It's a very good question.

I guess I thought the intent of the EU was cooperation. Not about 'ruling'.

That's why my question is posed....differently. And I don't post it in a baiting way, either.

One of the things I've observed each time I have been in any part of the United Kingdom are the war memorials. Not the tiniest village doesn't have one. Usually in the heart of commerce, where all can see.

I've asked my husband if since the memorials are so plentiful, do the people just not see them anymore?

It's a serious, sad question.
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Old Apr 27th 2016, 12:55 am
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It's such a difficult decision to make as an expat who is not there on the ground. Technically, I am an In supporter, but really have no way of knowing whether I would feel differently if I lived there instead of the USA. In any case, I can't vote since I have been away for over 15 years. Do you think Obama's visit helped or hurt Cameron? We are hearing conflicting reports here.
Wait till Trump gets the nod for US presidency, then we know which way the UK referendum will go... just saying
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The UK is already a member of the EEA and the referendum question only asks about EU membership.
Sorry, we are not. We were but that was superseded by EU membership.
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Old Apr 27th 2016, 6:43 am
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Why do a people who once thought they should rule the world, now think they would be better in isolation?
It is not about being isolated. It is about the fact we joined a club that was one thing, but which has evolved into something very different. The thing it has evolved into is, in my opinion, lo longer in the UK interest to remain in.

I also think that if a number of other countries were given the same referendum there would be others voting to leave
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Sorry, we are not. We were but that was superseded by EU membership.
We joined the European Community in 1974 and signed the Maastricht Treaty on 7 February 1992 which came into force on 1 November 1993.

The EEA Agreement wasn't signed until 2 May 1992 and it came into force on 1 January 1994.

I suspect you're thinking of EFTA which the UK was a member of from 1960 until 1973 when we joined the EC.
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Old Apr 27th 2016, 8:02 am
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I'm torn. Heart says OUT for sure.

Looking at bank my account and the exchange rate, head says IN.
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Then I'll make sure I'm around in late June, to cancel out your vote!
Hubby will counter you :P
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With regards to this, I would like to know what those who work for the NHS think and what side they support. The NHS is arguably the most essential organisation in the UK, and I, for one, would like to know which scenario will result it is being trashed further
Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership - NHS Confederation

The NHS view appears to be that negotiations so far, to protect the NHS are going smoothly.

Personally, I have some qualms about TTIP, but I don't see any reason to regard it as a threat to the NHS. That is just scaremongering.
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Old Apr 27th 2016, 1:06 pm
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Wait till Trump gets the nod for US presidency, then we know which way the UK referendum will go... just saying
Really? How so? I don't see the connection.
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Old Apr 27th 2016, 1:11 pm
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I also think that if a number of other countries were given the same referendum there would be others voting to leave
What you mean by "given"? Any of the 28 members of the EU are at liberty to conduct a national referendum any time they choose.

27 choose not be be so daft.
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What you mean by "given"? Any of the 28 members of the EU are at liberty to conduct a national referendum any time they choose.

27 choose not be be so daft.
Whose idea was this anyway? If it was Cameron's how was this a good idea since he is in the remain camp? I have to say I am baffled by the whole thing
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Whose idea was this anyway? If it was Cameron's how was this a good idea since he is in the remain camp? I have to say I am baffled by the whole thing
Cameron was forced into promising a referendum in order to avoid a revolt from the most rabidly outdated wing of his own party.
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I guess I thought the intent of the EU was cooperation. Not about 'ruling'.
This was one of my points on another, rather more contentious thread. There is much heated talk about "loss of sovereignty" but this entirely neglects the point of cooperation and community. Tbh, I don't so much see the EU as a matter of loss of sovereignty but of a sovereign nation willingly participating in a collaborative effort in order to gain community benefits that are not possible as a single nation. It is the international version of all UK citizens paying tax so that our country can afford common goods (NHS, paved roads, schools, etc. etc.) that would it not be possible to organize or have as individuals.

The advantages, or otherwise, of EU membership can certainly be debated but the whole loss of sovereignty thing is a bit of an emotive red herring.
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