Upcoming Referendum
#226
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Without all the back office, home office peons doing what they have to on this Brexit workings, does the UK need to trigger 'article 50' - if not & it doesn't, then what happens, will it simply be the UK will remain in the EU until article 50 is triggered, or can the European parliament simply kick the UK out of the EU at some point?
Foregoing the above, I see in the newspapers that Cameron has said he will let the new leader of the conservative party (sometime after October) trigger article 50. Is that right, or can the UK from now till October trigger article 50?
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Foregoing the above, I see in the newspapers that Cameron has said he will let the new leader of the conservative party (sometime after October) trigger article 50. Is that right, or can the UK from now till October trigger article 50?
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The EU can't trigger Article 50, and there is no process for the EU to unilaterally remove a member state from the EU.
Then Googling the characters and their claims probably helps.
#227
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#229
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interesting is that - the 'mandate part', especially should the HMG just sit tight & not trigger article 50 (because it doesn't know what to do for the fear of triggering it causes a UK civil unrest or something so bad it would be irreversible) or, that the new Cons leader is a fence sitter, right down to maybe even a strong 'remain' in the EU backer - then it comes round to 'lets have another referendum' because it appears the public weren't informed previously of all the facts of what it means to leave the EU.
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Thanks to the Lib Dems and their Fixed-term Parliaments Act it's now more difficult to dissolve Parliament to call a general election so another possibility would be a second referendum on the terms of the new EU agreement before we hit the two year limit with the options on the ballot paper being "status quo" and "new deal". If status quo wins then we pull the plug on Article 50 and life goes on as if the first referendum never happened. Well, there'll be a political sh*tstorm in the UK and possibly civil unrest but we would remain in the EU.
#230
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No, I did not know about Mr. Farage but that's why I'm on this site, to learn about what really goes on in Britain. I'm not going to get the right information from the American press.
#231
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I think your response is actually very restrained.
I also think that if people had actually bothered to check the claims made by both sides, the referendum would have had a different result.
Of course, if the media and politicians had been made to print the facts, it would have made it easier for the public to verify things.
I also think that if people had actually bothered to check the claims made by both sides, the referendum would have had a different result.
Of course, if the media and politicians had been made to print the facts, it would have made it easier for the public to verify things.
Many, many people are now complaining about having been lied to. I would say to them - yes, you were. By both sides. I would also say this - did you really expect not to be? Did you, as a voter, trust what was being said by either side? Did it never occur to you to independently vet what you were hearing?
Maybe my problem is I read too much about issues I'm interested in. Issues that are important or interesting to me. I often have to google and follow links. I cross check claims. That's what they taught us to do in civics class back in the 70's. It's a pain in the arse. It's hard. And it shouldn't be. But politicians lie. All of them.
If all anyone did, before they went to the polls last Thursday, was believe what was written on the side of a big red bus, or what they read in the red tops, or what they heard in the pub - then that's on them. Both sides. There was loads of factual information out there to be had. Independent, factual, statistical information.
Should they be mad that the party leaders 'lied' to them? Sure. But this wasn't your average vote. This was life changing and global. It was serious. I believe there are a lot of people who went to the polls with less care given to their vote than they would take in buying a sofa. Those people, in my opinion, should be putting their pitchforks away.
Both sides.
#232
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#233
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I've been reading many UK publications online for months. That's how I tried to keep up.
#234
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I will admit my knowledge of Britain is limited (even though my family origins come from East London and I do speak with a British accent.)
Anyway, I'm happy to have these discussions with you and everyone else on this board.
That's the only way I will have the facts about the UK
Yes, I can go on the internet but who says the sites I view here in the US are factual?
#235
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
The New York Times' coverage has been excellent; a lot better than many of the rags that pass for newspapers in the UK.
#236
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I haven't read the New York Times lately.
If I'm going to get news from Britain, I'd rather watch BBC or be on here and get news from all of you.
Anyway, the stock markets are going back up.
Dow Jones, the FTSE and a few others. As I stated before, I believe everything will be alright.
#237
Re: Upcoming Referendum
what now, Cameron is back home, candidates are ready with their nominations to be the new leader.
Stephen Crabb at the forefront has been on the 'remain in the EU' - would this change anything, could article 50 be on hold & is it possible to have another referendum before the EU pushing to triggering Article 50 now?
As a side, Crabb has a French wife, not that it would make any difference what happens next
Stephen Crabb at the forefront has been on the 'remain in the EU' - would this change anything, could article 50 be on hold & is it possible to have another referendum before the EU pushing to triggering Article 50 now?
As a side, Crabb has a French wife, not that it would make any difference what happens next
#238
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
what now, Cameron is back home, candidates are ready with their nominations to be the new leader.
Stephen Crabb at the forefront has been on the 'remain in the EU' - would this change anything, could article 50 be on hold & is it possible to have another referendum before the EU pushing to triggering Article 50 now?
As a side, Crabb has a French wife, not that it would make any difference what happens next
Stephen Crabb at the forefront has been on the 'remain in the EU' - would this change anything, could article 50 be on hold & is it possible to have another referendum before the EU pushing to triggering Article 50 now?
As a side, Crabb has a French wife, not that it would make any difference what happens next
A remain candidate could be successful if the party (and those who voted Leave) can see that their future leader is going to stand firm against the EU regardless of whether the EU is responsible for real or perceived issues (or not).
Personally though, I think it will be a Leave MP who wins, and who picks a mainly Leave Cabinet (though a neutral leader will likely be less confrontational in exit negotiations than a Leave-er). In this, Theresa May is a likely choice as a neutral, and Gove likely as a Leave-er.
#239
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We won't know for definite the full list of candidates until after noon UK time tomorrow.
Personally though, I think it will be a Leave MP who wins, and who picks a mainly Leave Cabinet (though a neutral leader will likely be less confrontational in exit negotiations than a Leave-er). In this, Theresa May is a likely choice as a neutral, and Gove likely as a Leave-er.
Personally though, I think it will be a Leave MP who wins, and who picks a mainly Leave Cabinet (though a neutral leader will likely be less confrontational in exit negotiations than a Leave-er). In this, Theresa May is a likely choice as a neutral, and Gove likely as a Leave-er.
watch this space