Returning home, having left in 1966
Aug 12th 2008 | 8:01 pm
#76
Home at last
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From: Beautiful UK
Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
Hi Callé. Thanks for the post. I am a bit stressed at the moment and I need positive reinforcement. I am not asking folks here to bs me, nor give me a Mary Poppins tale of England. I read alot about the UK and I am fully versed on the ups and downs.
It is a trip that I must make. Therefore, since I must make it, that is why I joined the forum. I have no choice.
In saying that, this email came yesterday from one my most positive recruiters (disregard the paragraphing; this is how the email was written):
"Firstly, may I thank you very much for your recent application.
I have now had the opportunity to study your Curriculum Vitae. Currently the majority of opportunities being handled by Berkeley Scott are located in the UK, and although we certainly recruit from outside of the UK success depends not only on experience but the applicant's location and proximity to the UK. Before we can consider you for any positions we would need to meet you first, as we cannot arrange interviews for positions at this level on the merit of a telephone interview. Our clients also require candidates to be available for face to face interviews at short notice, and as I am sure you will appreciate, it would not be feasible for us to ask you to fly over just to attend an interview. Our clients pay substantial fees for our services and generally require candidates with recent experience of the UK market, therefore as a recruitment company we would struggle to help you as you have had no UK experience. I would suggest you may have more success if you apply to companies direct as this does not involve an agency fee."
Uphill battle, seems like it...
Cheers
It is a trip that I must make. Therefore, since I must make it, that is why I joined the forum. I have no choice.
In saying that, this email came yesterday from one my most positive recruiters (disregard the paragraphing; this is how the email was written):
"Firstly, may I thank you very much for your recent application.
I have now had the opportunity to study your Curriculum Vitae. Currently the majority of opportunities being handled by Berkeley Scott are located in the UK, and although we certainly recruit from outside of the UK success depends not only on experience but the applicant's location and proximity to the UK. Before we can consider you for any positions we would need to meet you first, as we cannot arrange interviews for positions at this level on the merit of a telephone interview. Our clients also require candidates to be available for face to face interviews at short notice, and as I am sure you will appreciate, it would not be feasible for us to ask you to fly over just to attend an interview. Our clients pay substantial fees for our services and generally require candidates with recent experience of the UK market, therefore as a recruitment company we would struggle to help you as you have had no UK experience. I would suggest you may have more success if you apply to companies direct as this does not involve an agency fee."
Uphill battle, seems like it...
Cheers
You are quite welcome. I remember having to make this decision. So, no BS. Its rough at first, any move is when you are starting your life over. Big changes...but very worth it. Just be strong and stick with it. you will eventually sell yourself to employment with hard work and perserverence. Things will all settle down and you will feel at home before you know it. Best of luck.
Aug 12th 2008 | 8:11 pm
#77
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Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
I am rather surprised that YOU made that comment about the Royal Family (not I). I happen to think that they do a very job (and UK Royal Family too for that matter).
I have also noted the email address that you have put for show on this forum (for everyone in Bangkok to see too?) so we can all see where your allegiance is. Well done!! - oh dear oh dear oh dear.
My friend, I wish you and your family the very best of luck in the UK - I hope you find what you are looking for.
I have also noted the email address that you have put for show on this forum (for everyone in Bangkok to see too?) so we can all see where your allegiance is. Well done!! - oh dear oh dear oh dear.
My friend, I wish you and your family the very best of luck in the UK - I hope you find what you are looking for.
Now, back to discussions re England......... if it is ok with you.
Aug 12th 2008 | 8:39 pm
#78
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Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
.......this email came yesterday from one my most positive recruiters (disregard the paragraphing; this is how the email was written):
"Firstly, may I thank you very much for your recent application.
I have now had the opportunity to study your Curriculum Vitae. Currently the majority of opportunities being handled by Berkeley Scott are located in the UK, and although we certainly recruit from outside of the UK success depends not only on experience but the applicant's location and proximity to the UK. Before we can consider you for any positions we would need to meet you first, as we cannot arrange interviews for positions at this level on the merit of a telephone interview. Our clients also require candidates to be available for face to face interviews at short notice, and as I am sure you will appreciate, it would not be feasible for us to ask you to fly over just to attend an interview. Our clients pay substantial fees for our services and generally require candidates with recent experience of the UK market, therefore as a recruitment company we would struggle to help you as you have had no UK experience. I would suggest you may have more success if you apply to companies direct as this does not involve an agency fee."
Uphill battle, seems like it...
Cheers
"Firstly, may I thank you very much for your recent application.
I have now had the opportunity to study your Curriculum Vitae. Currently the majority of opportunities being handled by Berkeley Scott are located in the UK, and although we certainly recruit from outside of the UK success depends not only on experience but the applicant's location and proximity to the UK. Before we can consider you for any positions we would need to meet you first, as we cannot arrange interviews for positions at this level on the merit of a telephone interview. Our clients also require candidates to be available for face to face interviews at short notice, and as I am sure you will appreciate, it would not be feasible for us to ask you to fly over just to attend an interview. Our clients pay substantial fees for our services and generally require candidates with recent experience of the UK market, therefore as a recruitment company we would struggle to help you as you have had no UK experience. I would suggest you may have more success if you apply to companies direct as this does not involve an agency fee."
Uphill battle, seems like it...
Cheers
Lack of UK experience? You will have to admit to that, but then quickly move on to explain how your varied overseas experiences are a great asset - adaptability, self reliance, out of the box thinking etc. etc.
Do not rely on any benefits from the State, I doubt you will get any. However, I believe the NHS is available in emergency situations for British citizens on arrival. It is the full service that requires a period of residency.
You need to get as much money together as possible before you come and find cheap accommodation in a less well off area to minimise your expenditure whilst job hunting.
No need for your Monday yellow T shirt.
Good Luck!
Aug 12th 2008 | 8:46 pm
#79
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Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
That's quite a lengthy reply, so they must see some potential for you - but as they say, you need to be on the ground in the UK.
Lack of UK experience? You will have to admit to that, but then quickly move on to explain how your varied overseas experiences are a great asset - adaptability, self reliance, out of the box thinking etc. etc.
Do not rely on any benefits from the State, I doubt you will get any. However, I believe the NHS is available in emergency situations for British citizens on arrival. It is the full service that requires a period of residency.
You need to get as much money together as possible before you come and find cheap accommodation in a less well off area to minimise your expenditure whilst job hunting.
No need for your Monday yellow T shirt.
Good Luck!
Lack of UK experience? You will have to admit to that, but then quickly move on to explain how your varied overseas experiences are a great asset - adaptability, self reliance, out of the box thinking etc. etc.
Do not rely on any benefits from the State, I doubt you will get any. However, I believe the NHS is available in emergency situations for British citizens on arrival. It is the full service that requires a period of residency.
You need to get as much money together as possible before you come and find cheap accommodation in a less well off area to minimise your expenditure whilst job hunting.
No need for your Monday yellow T shirt.
Good Luck!
When I went back in 2003, I found myself wai'ing to people. Or ending a sentence with "krap". That will be really strange for all involved. Difficult to stop.
Thanks for the comment.
Aug 14th 2008 | 2:23 am
#80
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Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
Well I am living next door but 1, Vietnam, and I have to say I think you're doing the right thing. I will be out of here like flash when/if jnr comes along. The cost of a decent education here would clean us out.
Can you speak Thai? I am hopeless at Vietnamese, one of my worries is my kid/s speaking a language I don't understand, saying that, it could happen in the UK too
BTW you may get more than 1000 quid if the pound keeps sinking.
Can you speak Thai? I am hopeless at Vietnamese, one of my worries is my kid/s speaking a language I don't understand, saying that, it could happen in the UK too
BTW you may get more than 1000 quid if the pound keeps sinking.
Aug 14th 2008 | 2:52 am
#81
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Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
Well I am living next door but 1, Vietnam, and I have to say I think you're doing the right thing. I will be out of here like flash when/if jnr comes along. The cost of a decent education here would clean us out.
Can you speak Thai? I am hopeless at Vietnamese, one of my worries is my kid/s speaking a language I don't understand, saying that, it could happen in the UK too
BTW you may get more than 1000 quid if the pound keeps sinking.
Can you speak Thai? I am hopeless at Vietnamese, one of my worries is my kid/s speaking a language I don't understand, saying that, it could happen in the UK too
BTW you may get more than 1000 quid if the pound keeps sinking.
I tutor within the Korean expat community. I teach the kids who go to these schools and it leaves me very troubled. That is why I estimate 70% of my desire to return to the UK lies: education for venerable son.
Aug 27th 2008 | 2:52 pm
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Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
Thought I should try to update the topic every once in a while.
As I am still shooting for October as the big move month, this is what I have done to prepare.
1. Written to councils asking what do I qualify for. All said the same: I must be in the UK for 4-5 years before I qualify for any help. No help with a temporary room. No medical care, no jobseekers allowance (I was counting on at least that).
Well, posts here warned me of that. I was prepared for it.
2. Before receiving those answers, I submitted my cv to several cv warehouses and recruiters. I also followed up those cvs with phone calls. All seemed positive, until a second follow up call and then to be told that I must be on UK soil before they would even consider me as a serious candidate.
And they stressed that I had no UK experience (more on that later on).
3. I got a Skype virtual UK local 020 number for anyone to call me. Put it on my cv.
4. Friends told me to add their address as mine. Well, superfluous. I still cannot go for interviews. So I did not.
5. Thanks to a poster here, I went to gumtree.com. I visit it many times a day. Sent cvs... nothing.
6. So, I posted this:
http://www.gumtree.com/london/02/27910102.html
7. One response was an interview via phone and we agreed for a 2nd. interview via webcam tonight at 6pm local, 12 noon UK time.
Anybody want to know how many responses I got from that advert?
As I am still shooting for October as the big move month, this is what I have done to prepare.
1. Written to councils asking what do I qualify for. All said the same: I must be in the UK for 4-5 years before I qualify for any help. No help with a temporary room. No medical care, no jobseekers allowance (I was counting on at least that).
Well, posts here warned me of that. I was prepared for it.
2. Before receiving those answers, I submitted my cv to several cv warehouses and recruiters. I also followed up those cvs with phone calls. All seemed positive, until a second follow up call and then to be told that I must be on UK soil before they would even consider me as a serious candidate.
And they stressed that I had no UK experience (more on that later on).
3. I got a Skype virtual UK local 020 number for anyone to call me. Put it on my cv.
4. Friends told me to add their address as mine. Well, superfluous. I still cannot go for interviews. So I did not.
5. Thanks to a poster here, I went to gumtree.com. I visit it many times a day. Sent cvs... nothing.
6. So, I posted this:
http://www.gumtree.com/london/02/27910102.html
7. One response was an interview via phone and we agreed for a 2nd. interview via webcam tonight at 6pm local, 12 noon UK time.
Anybody want to know how many responses I got from that advert?
Aug 27th 2008 | 3:08 pm
#83
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Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 425
Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
Thought I should try to update the topic every once in a while.
As I am still shooting for October as the big move month, this is what I have done to prepare.
1. Written to councils asking what do I qualify for. All said the same: I must be in the UK for 4-5 years before I qualify for any help. No help with a temporary room. No medical care, no jobseekers allowance (I was counting on at least that).
Well, posts here warned me of that. I was prepared for it.
2. Before receiving those answers, I submitted my cv to several cv warehouses and recruiters. I also followed up those cvs with phone calls. All seemed positive, until a second follow up call and then to be told that I must be on UK soil before they would even consider me as a serious candidate.
And they stressed that I had no UK experience (more on that later on).
3. I got a Skype virtual UK local 020 number for anyone to call me. Put it on my cv.
4. Friends told me to add their address as mine. Well, superfluous. I still cannot go for interviews. So I did not.
5. Thanks to a poster here, I went to gumtree.com. I visit it many times a day. Sent cvs... nothing.
6. So, I posted this:
http://www.gumtree.com/london/02/27910102.html
7. One response was an interview via phone and we agreed for a 2nd. interview via webcam tonight at 6pm local, 12 noon UK time.
Anybody want to know how many responses I got from that advert?
As I am still shooting for October as the big move month, this is what I have done to prepare.
1. Written to councils asking what do I qualify for. All said the same: I must be in the UK for 4-5 years before I qualify for any help. No help with a temporary room. No medical care, no jobseekers allowance (I was counting on at least that).
Well, posts here warned me of that. I was prepared for it.
2. Before receiving those answers, I submitted my cv to several cv warehouses and recruiters. I also followed up those cvs with phone calls. All seemed positive, until a second follow up call and then to be told that I must be on UK soil before they would even consider me as a serious candidate.
And they stressed that I had no UK experience (more on that later on).
3. I got a Skype virtual UK local 020 number for anyone to call me. Put it on my cv.
4. Friends told me to add their address as mine. Well, superfluous. I still cannot go for interviews. So I did not.
5. Thanks to a poster here, I went to gumtree.com. I visit it many times a day. Sent cvs... nothing.
6. So, I posted this:
http://www.gumtree.com/london/02/27910102.html
7. One response was an interview via phone and we agreed for a 2nd. interview via webcam tonight at 6pm local, 12 noon UK time.
Anybody want to know how many responses I got from that advert?
Good luck with the interview.
Last edited by gotoronto; Aug 27th 2008 at 3:13 pm.
Aug 27th 2008 | 7:59 pm
#84
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Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
Unfortunitely this good UK education has created 25 teenage killing so far this year and that is just in the South East.
So isnt this idea of Good UK education based on how the UK was in the Victorian times.
So much has changed even since 1998.
UK tops the league table in Europe (perhaps in the world) for Binge drinking, mass immigration, violent crime, road rage, child obesity, class differences, poverty, drug use
It is not like British Education is seen as that great elsewhere in Europe (apart from in Little Britain itself)
Aug 27th 2008 | 8:12 pm
#85
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Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
Unfortunitely this good UK education has created 25 teenage killing so far this year and that is just in the South East.
So isnt this idea of Good UK education based on how the UK was in the Victorian times.
So much has changed even since 1998.
UK tops the league table in Europe (perhaps in the world) for Binge drinking, mass immigration, violent crime, road rage, child obesity, class differences, poverty, drug use
It is not like British Education is seen as that great elsewhere in Europe (apart from in Little Britain itself)
So isnt this idea of Good UK education based on how the UK was in the Victorian times.
So much has changed even since 1998.
UK tops the league table in Europe (perhaps in the world) for Binge drinking, mass immigration, violent crime, road rage, child obesity, class differences, poverty, drug use
It is not like British Education is seen as that great elsewhere in Europe (apart from in Little Britain itself)
Aug 27th 2008 | 8:20 pm
#86
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Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 270
From: Tucked away in the lush green of Kent
Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
Unfortunitely this good UK education has created 25 teenage killing so far this year and that is just in the South East.
So isnt this idea of Good UK education based on how the UK was in the Victorian times.
So much has changed even since 1998.
UK tops the league table in Europe (perhaps in the world) for Binge drinking, mass immigration, violent crime, road rage, child obesity, class differences, poverty, drug use
It is not like British Education is seen as that great elsewhere in Europe (apart from in Little Britain itself)
So isnt this idea of Good UK education based on how the UK was in the Victorian times.
So much has changed even since 1998.
UK tops the league table in Europe (perhaps in the world) for Binge drinking, mass immigration, violent crime, road rage, child obesity, class differences, poverty, drug use
It is not like British Education is seen as that great elsewhere in Europe (apart from in Little Britain itself)
And as for education, I suggest you take a look at any table showing the best Universities either in Europe or the world and see how many of them are in the UK-only the US outnumbers the UK.
Aug 28th 2008 | 2:26 am
#87
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Posts: 54
From: Bonnie Scotland
Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
[QUOTE=whereamifrom;6722316]T
1.
Just to say, you and your wife, if she's on a spouse visa, and your son are entitled to NHS treatment free of charge:
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/family_parent/health/nhs_charges_for_people_from_abroad.htm
Which says:
"Who can receive all NHS treatment free of charge?
....You have come to the UK to take up permanent residence, for example, if you are a former UK resident who has returned from abroad, or if you have been granted leave to enter or remain as a spouse..."
So at least you won't have to worry about that.
cheers
ruthmac
1.
Written to councils asking what do I qualify for. All said the same: I must be in the UK for 4-5 years before I qualify for any help. No help with a temporary room. No medical care, no jobseekers allowance (I was counting on at least that).
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/family_parent/health/nhs_charges_for_people_from_abroad.htm
Which says:
"Who can receive all NHS treatment free of charge?
....You have come to the UK to take up permanent residence, for example, if you are a former UK resident who has returned from abroad, or if you have been granted leave to enter or remain as a spouse..."
So at least you won't have to worry about that.
cheers
ruthmac
Aug 28th 2008 | 2:32 am
#88
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Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
[QUOTE=ruthmac;6723899]
Thanks. But it also claims that I must be in country for 12 months. They are contradicting themselves.
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T
1.
Just to say, you and your wife, if she's on a spouse visa, and your son are entitled to NHS treatment free of charge:
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/family_parent/health/nhs_charges_for_people_from_abroad.htm
Which says:
"Who can receive all NHS treatment free of charge?
....You have come to the UK to take up permanent residence, for example, if you are a former UK resident who has returned from abroad, or if you have been granted leave to enter or remain as a spouse..."
So at least you won't have to worry about that.
cheers
ruthmac
1.
Just to say, you and your wife, if she's on a spouse visa, and your son are entitled to NHS treatment free of charge:
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/family_parent/health/nhs_charges_for_people_from_abroad.htm
Which says:
"Who can receive all NHS treatment free of charge?
....You have come to the UK to take up permanent residence, for example, if you are a former UK resident who has returned from abroad, or if you have been granted leave to enter or remain as a spouse..."
So at least you won't have to worry about that.
cheers
ruthmac
T
Aug 28th 2008 | 2:44 am
#89
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Posts: 54
From: Bonnie Scotland
Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
[QUOTE=whereamifrom;6723922]
Have a look at this then:
http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Healthcare/Entitlementsandcharges/OverseasVisitors/Browsable/DH_074376
Seems pretty clear to me!
http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Healthcare/Entitlementsandcharges/OverseasVisitors/Browsable/DH_074376
Seems pretty clear to me!
Aug 28th 2008 | 3:00 am
#90
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Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 425
Re: Returning home, having left in 1966
[QUOTE=whereamifrom;6723922]
I have heard of American tourists/students walking into NHS walkin clinics, being seen free of charge and walking away with a NHS prescription.
Also, from personal experience - I left the UK for a while a few years back and then came back and was dreadfully ill within the first week of arriving. I had no GP in the UK and went to A&E in a hospital. I was seen by a doctor and walked away with medicine.
The NHS is one thing that is widely available to anyone, so it is seriously one less thing to worry about.
Also, from personal experience - I left the UK for a while a few years back and then came back and was dreadfully ill within the first week of arriving. I had no GP in the UK and went to A&E in a hospital. I was seen by a doctor and walked away with medicine.
The NHS is one thing that is widely available to anyone, so it is seriously one less thing to worry about.
