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Totalization Agreement with the United Kingdom
SSA Publication No. 05-10199, May 2005, ICN 444918 [OMB Approval Number: 0960-0554 Expires 12/31/10]
Contents Introduction
Coverage and Social Security taxes
Certificate of coverage
Monthly benefits
A U.K. pension may affect your U.S. benefit
What you need to know about Medicare
Claims for benefits
For more information

Introduction An agreement between the United States and the United Kingdom (U.K.) improves Social Security protection for people who work or have worked in both countries. It helps many people who, without the agreement, would not be eligible for monthly retirement, disability or survivors benefits under the Social Security system of one or both countries. It also helps many people who would otherwise have to pay Social Security taxes to both countries on the same earnings.

The provisions of the agreement that eliminate double Social Security taxation became effective January 1, 1985. The provisions which permit persons who meet certain conditions to use their work in both countries to qualify for benefits became effective January 1, 1988. For purposes of the agreement, references to the United Kingdom include England; Scotland; Wales; Northern Ireland; the Isle of Man; and the Channel Islands of Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney, Herm, and Jethou.

The agreement covers Social Security taxes (including the U.S. Medicare portion) and Social Security retirement, disability and survivors insurance benefits. It doesn't cover benefits under the U.S. Medicare program or the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program.

This document covers highlights of the agreement and explains how it may help you while you work and when you apply for benefits.



The agreement may help you, your family and your employer
While you work––If your work is covered by both the U.S. and the U.K. Social Security systems, you (and your employer, if you are employed) would normally have to pay Social Security taxes to both countries for the same work. However, the agreement eliminates this double coverage, so you pay taxes to only one system (see the section on "Coverage and Social Security taxes").
When you apply for benefits––You may have some Social Security credits in both the United States and the United Kingdom but not enough to be eligible in one country or the other. The agreement makes it easier to qualify for benefits by letting you add together your Social Security credits in both countries. For more details, see the section on "Monthly benefits".
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Coverage and Social Security taxes Before the agreement, employees, employers and self-employed persons could, under certain circumstances, be required to pay Social Security taxes to both the United States and the United Kingdom for the same work.

Under the agreement, if you work as an employee in the United States, you normally will be covered by the United States, and you and your employer will pay Social Security taxes only to the United States. If you work as an employee in the United Kingdom, you normally will be covered by the United Kingdom, and you and your employer pay Social Security taxes only to the United Kingdom.

On the other hand, if your employer sends you from one country to work for that employer or an affiliate in the other country for five years or less, you will continue to be covered by your home country and you will be exempt from coverage in the other country. For example, if a U.S. company sends an employee to work for that employer or an affiliate in the United Kingdom for no more than five years, the employer and the employee will continue to pay only U.S. Social Security taxes and will not have to pay in the United Kingdom.

If you are self-employed and reside in the United States or the United Kingdom, you generally will be covered and taxed only by the country where you reside.

People working on the U.K. continental shelf are considered to be working in the United Kingdom.



Summary of agreement rules
The following table shows whether your work is covered under the U.S. or U.K. Social Security system. If you are covered under U.S. Social Security, you and your employer (if you are an employee) must pay U.S. Social Security taxes. If you are covered under the U.K. system, you and your employer (if you are an employee) must pay U.K. Social Security taxes."Certificate of coverage" section explains how to get a form from the country where you are covered that will prove you are exempt in the other country.
Your work status
Coverage and taxes

You are working in the U.K.:

For a U.S. employer who:

Sent you to work in the U.K. for five years or less
U.S.

Sent you to work in the U.K. for more than five years
U.K.

Hired you in the U.K.
U.K.

For a non-U.S. employer
U.K.

For the U.S. government and you are a:
U.S. national
U.S. (either Social Security or federal retirement program)
U.K. national
U.K.
You are working in the U.S.:

For a U.K. employer who:

Sent you to work in the U.S. for five years or less
U.K.

Sent you to work in the U.S. for more than five years
U.S.

Hired you in the U.S.
U.S.

For a non-U.K. employer
U.S.

For the U.K. government and you are a:

U.K. national
U.K.
U.S. national
U.S.
You are self-employed and you:

Reside in the U.S.
U.S.

Reside in the U.K.
U.K.

If this table does not seem to describe your situation and you are:

Working in the U.S.
Write to the U.S. address in "Certificates for employees" section for further information.

Working in the U.K.
Write to the U.K. address in "For more information" section for further information.



NOTE: As the table indicates, a U.S. worker employed in the United Kingdom can be covered by U.S. Social Security only if he or she works for a U.S. employer. A U.S. employer includes a corporation organized under the laws of the United States or any state, a partnership if at least two-thirds of the partners are U.S. residents, an individual who is a resident of the U.S. or a trust if all the trustees are U.S. residents. The term also includes a foreign affiliate of a U.S. employer if the U.S. employer has entered into an agreement with the Internal Revenue Service under section 3121(l) of the Internal Revenue Code to pay Social Security taxes for U.S. citizens and residents employed by the affiliate.

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Certificate of coverage A certificate of coverage issued by one country serves as proof of exemption from Social Security taxes on the same earnings in the other country.



Certificates for employees
To establish an exemption from compulsory coverage and taxes under the U.K. system, your employer must request a certificate of coverage (form US/UK 1) from the U.S. at this address:

Social Security Administration
Office of International Programs
P.O. Box 17741
Baltimore, Maryland 21235-7741
U.S.A.
If preferred, the request may be sent by FAX to (410) 966-1861. Please note this FAX number should only be used to request certificates of coverage.

No special form is required to request a certificate but the request must be in writing and provide the following information:

Full name of worker;
Date and place of birth;
Citizenship;
Country of worker's permanent residence;
U.S. Social Security number;
Date of hire;
Country of hire;
Name and address of the employer in the U.S. and the U.K.; and
Date of transfer and anticipated date of return.
In addition, your employer must indicate if you remain an employee of the U.S. company while working in the United Kingdom or if you become an employee of the U.S. company's affiliate in the United Kingdom. If you become an employee of an affiliate, your employer must indicate if the U.S. company has an agreement with the Internal Revenue Service under section 3121(l) of the Internal Revenue Code to pay U.S. Social Security taxes for all U.S. citizens and residents employed by the affiliate and, if yes, the effective date of the agreement.

Your employer can also request a certificate of U.S. coverage for you over the Internet using a special online request form available at www.socialsecurity.gov/coc. Only an employer can use the online form to request a certificate of coverage. A self-employed person must submit a request by mail or fax.

To establish your exemption from coverage under the U.S. Social Security system, your employer in the United Kingdom must request a certificate of coverage (form UK/US 1) from the United Kingdom at this address:

Inland Revenue
National Insurance Contributions Office
Center for Non-Residents
Rooms BP 1301/BP 1302
Bamburgh House
Benton Park View
Longbenton
Newcastle upon Tyne NE98 1ZZ
ENGLAND

The same information required for a certificate of coverage from the United States is needed to get a certificate of coverage from the United Kingdom except that you must show your U.K. National Insurance number rather than your U.S. Social Security number.



Certificates for self-employed people
If you are self-employed and would normally have to pay Social Security taxes to both the U.S. and the U.K. systems, you can establish your exemption from one of the taxes by writing to:

If you reside in the United States, the Social Security Administration at the address in "Certificates for employees" section; or

If you reside in the United Kingdom, Inland Revenue at the address in "Certificates for employees" section.
Be sure to provide the following information in your letter:

Full name;
Date and place of birth;
Citizenship;
Country of permanent residence;
U.S. and/or U.K. Social Security number;
Nature of self-employment activity;
Dates the activity was or will be performed; and
Name and address of your trade or business in both countries.


Effective date of coverage exemption
The certificate of coverage you receive from one country will show the effective date of your exemption from paying Social Security taxes in the other country. Generally, this will be the date you began working in the other country.

Certificates of coverage issued by the United Kingdom should be retained by the employer in the United States in case of an audit by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). No copy should be sent to the IRS unless specifically requested by IRS. However, a self-employed person must attach a photocopy of the certificate to his or her income tax return each year as proof of the U.S. exemption.

Copies of certificates of coverage issued by the United States will be provided for both the employee and employer. It will be their responsibility to present the certificate to the U.K. authorities when requested to do so. To avoid any difficulties, your employer (or you, if you are self-employed) should request a certificate as early as possible, preferably before your work in the other country begins.

If you or your employer request a certificate of coverage, you should read the Privacy Act and Paperwork Reduction Act statements below.



Authority to collect information for a certificate of coverage

Privacy Act

The Privacy Act requires us to notify you that we are authorized to collect this information by section 233 of the Social Security Act. While it is not mandatory for you to furnish the information to the Social Security Administration (SSA), a certificate of coverage cannot be issued unless a request has been received. The information is needed to enable SSA to determine if work should be covered only under the U.S. Social Security system in accordance with an international agreement. Without the certificate, work may be subject to taxation under both the U.S. and the foreign Social Security systems.

Paperwork Reduction Act Notice

This information collection meets the clearance requirements of 44 U.S.C. section 3507, as amended by section 2 of the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995. You are not required to answer these questions unless we display a valid Office of Management and Budget (OMB) control number. We estimate that it will take you about 30 minutes to read the instructions, gather the necessary facts, and write down the information to request a certificate of coverage.




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Monthly benefits The following table shows the various types of Social Security benefits payable under the U.S. and U.K. Social Security systems and briefly describes the eligibility requirements that normally apply for each type of benefit. If you don’t meet the normal requirements for these benefits, the agreement may help you to qualify (see "How benefits can be paid" section).


This table is only a general guide. You can get more specific information about U.S. benefits here on our web site, at any U.S. Social Security office or by calling our toll-free number at 1-800-772-1213. You can get more detailed information about the U.K. system by writing to the U.K. address in "For more information" section of this document or by visiting the web site of the U.K. social security system.

Under U.S. Social Security, you may earn up to four credits each year depending on the amount of your covered earnings. For example, in 2005, you get one credit for each $920 of your covered annual earnings up to a maximum of four credits for the year. Under the U.K. system, credits are measured in weeks. To simplify the information in the table, requirements are shown in years of credits.



Monthly benefits and eligibility requirements
Retirement or old-age benefits

United States
United Kingdom

Worker-Full benefit at full retirement age, or reduced benefit as early as age 62. Required work credits range from one and one-half years to 10 years (10 years if 62 in 1991 or later). Worker-Full benefit at age 65 for men with 44 years of contributions, or reduced benefit with 11 years.
Full benefit at age 60 (increasing to age 65 between 2010 and 2020) for women with 40 years of contributions, or reduced benefit with 10 years.

Disability benefits
United States
United Kingdom
Worker-Under full retirement age can get benefit if unable to do any substantial gainful work for at least a year. One and one-half to 10 years credit required depending on age at date of onset. Some recent credits also needed unless worker is blind. Worker-A contributor who has not retired can get an invalidity benefit if he or she has been incapable of working for 52 weeks during which time he or she was entitled to statutory sickness pay or short-term incapacity benefits. The contributor must have paid a required number of contributions in a recent tax year.
Family benefits to dependents of retired or disabled people
United States
United Kingdom
Wife-Full benefit at full retirement age or at any age if caring for the worker's entitled child under 16 (or disabled before age 22). Reduced benefit as early as age 62 if not caring for a child. Wife-Retirement pension at age 60 based on husband's contributions if she doesn't qualify for a higher pension based on her own contributions. If under age 60, an increased pension is paid to the husband. An increased invalidity benefit is payable for a wife in certain circumstances.
Husband-Same as wife. Husband-Wife cannot claim extra retirement pension for husband, but can claim increased invalidity benefit in certain circumstances.
Divorced Wife-Full benefit at full retirement age. Reduced benefit as early as age 62. Must be unmarried and have been married to worker for at least 10 years. Divorced Wife-Retirement pension payable at age 60 based on ex-husband's contributions provided she has also contributed to the U.K. system. Remarriage after age 60 will not affect entitlement.


Divorced Husband-Same as divorced wife. Divorced Husband-At age 65; other requirements same as divorced wife.
Children-If unmarried, up to age 18 (age 19 if in an elementary or secondary school full time) or any age if disabled before age 22. Children-Up to age 16 (age 19 for certain students).
Survivors benefits

United States
United Kingdom
Widow-Full benefit at full retirement age or at any age if caring for the deceased's entitled child under 16 (or disabled before age 22). Reduced benefit as early as age 60 (or 50 if disabled) if not caring for child. Benefits may be continued if remarriage occurs after age 60 (or age 50 if disabled). Widow-Full benefit at age 55 or at any age if caring for a dependent child of the worker. Reduced benefit as early as age 45. Benefit may continue if remarriage occurs after age 60.
Widower-Same as widow. Widower-Benefit payable at age 65, if widowed before age 65 and also contributed to the U.K. system.
Divorced Widow or widower-Same as widow or widower if marriage lasted at least 10 years. Divorced Widow or widower-No provision.
Children-Same as for children of retired or disabled worker. Children-Same as for children of retired or disabled contributors.
Lump-Sum Death Benefit-A one-time payment not to exceed $255 payable on the death of an insured worker. Lump-Sum Death Payment-No provision.


How benefits can be paid
If you have Social Security credits in both the United States and the United Kingdom, you may be eligible for benefits from one or both countries. If you meet all the basic requirements under one country's system, you will get a regular benefit from that country. If you don't meet the basic requirements, the agreement may help you qualify for a benefit as explained below.

Benefits from the U.S—If you do not have enough work credits under the U.S. system to qualify for regular benefits, you may be able to qualify for a partial benefit from the United States based on both U.S. and U.K. credits. However, to be eligible to have your U.K. credits counted, you must have earned at least six credits (generally one and one-half years of work) under the U.S. system. If you already have enough credits under the U.S. system to qualify for a benefit, the U.S. cannot count your U.K. credits.
Benefits from the U.K.—The United Kingdom provides benefits through a two-tier program:
The first tier, called the basic pension, is payable to workers who meet a minimum length of work requirement. Under the agreement, if you do not have enough credits under the U.K. system, your U.S. credits can be counted. To be eligible to have your U.S. and U.K. credits counted, you must have at least one year of coverage credited under the U.K. system.
The second tier is called the additional pension and is based on both the length of work under the U.K. system and the amount of earnings. A person can qualify for the additional pension with as little as one year of U.K. coverage. Therefore, credits under the U.S. system will not be considered when determining eligibility for the additional pension.


How credits get counted
You don't have to do anything to have your credits in one country counted by the other country. If we need to count your credits under the U.K. system to help you qualify for a U.S. benefit, we will get a copy of your U.K. record directly from the United Kingdom when you apply for benefits. If U.K. officials need to count your U.S. credits to help you qualify for a U.K. benefit, they will get a copy of your U.S. record directly from the Social Security Administration when you apply for the U.K. benefit.

Although each country may count your credits in the other country, your credits are not actually transferred from one country to the other. They remain on your record in the country where you earned them and can also be used to qualify for benefits there.

Computation of U.S. benefit under the agreement
When a U.S. benefit becomes payable as a result of counting both U.S. and U.K. Social Security credits, an initial benefit is determined based on your U.S. earnings as if your entire career had been completed under the U.S. system. This initial benefit is then reduced to reflect the fact that U.K. credits helped to make the benefit payable. The amount of the reduction will depend on the number of U.S. credits: the more U.S. credits, the smaller the reduction; and the fewer U.S credits, the larger the reduction.

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A U.K. pension may affect your U.S. benefit If you qualify for Social Security benefits from both the United States and the United Kingdom and didn’t need the agreement to qualify for either benefit, the amount of your U.S. benefit may be reduced. This is a result of a provision in U.S. law that can affect the way your benefit is figured if you also receive a pension based on work that was not covered by U.S. Social Security. For more information, call our toll-free number, 1-800-772-1213, and get the publication, Windfall Elimination Provision (Publication No. 05-10045). If you are outside the United States, you may write to us at the address in "For more information" section.

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What you need to know about Medicare
Medicare is the U.S. national health insurance system for people age 65 or older or who are disabled. Medicare has two parts: hospital insurance (also called "Part A" Medicare) and medical insurance (called "Part B" Medicare). You are eligible for free hospital insurance at age 65 if you have worked long enough under U.S. Social Security to qualify for a retirement benefit. People born in 1929 or later need 40 credits (about 10 years of covered work) to qualify for retirement benefits.

Although the agreement between the United States and the United Kingdom allows the Social Security Administration to count your U.K. credits to help you qualify for U.S. retirement, disability or survivor benefits, the agreement doesn’t cover Medicare benefits. As a result, we cannot count your credits in the United Kingdom to establish entitlement to free Medicare hospital insurance.

For more information about Medicare, call our toll-free number, 1-800-772-1213, and ask for the publication, Medicare (Publication No. 05-10043) or visit Medicare’s website at www.medicare.gov.

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Claims for benefits
If you live in the United States and wish to apply for U.S. or U.K. benefits:

Visit or write any U.S. Social Security office, or
Phone our toll-free number, 1-800-772-1213, 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. any business day. People who are deaf or hard of hearing may call our toll-free TTY number, 1-800-325-0778.
You can apply for U.K. benefits at any U.S. Social Security office by completing application form SSA-2490.

If you live in the United Kingdom and wish to apply for benefits, contact:

The Federal Benefits Unit at the U.S. Embassy in London (phone 207-499-9000) to file for U.S. benefits; or
Any U.K. Social Security office to file for U.K. benefits.
You can apply with one country and ask to have your application considered as a claim for benefits from the other country. Information from your application will then be sent to the other country. Each country will process the claim under its own laws--counting credits from the other country when appropriate--and notify you of its decision.

If you haven't applied for benefits before, you may need to provide certain information and documents when you apply. These include the worker's U.S. and U.K. Social Security numbers, proof of age for all claimants, evidence of the worker's U.S. earnings in the past 24 months, and information about the worker's coverage under the U.K. system. You may wish to call the Social Security office before you go there to see if any other information is needed.



Payment of benefits
Each country pays its own benefit. U.S. payments are made by the U.S. Department of Treasury each month and cover benefits for the preceding month.

Payments under the U.K. system may be paid at different times and for various periods of time depending upon the amount of the payment and the wishes of the recipient. For more information, contact the appropriate U.K. authorities as shown in "For more information" section of this document.



Absence from U.S. territory
Normally, persons who are not U.S. citizens may receive U.S. Social Security benefits while outside the U.S. only if they meet certain requirements. Under the agreement, however, you may receive benefits as long as you reside in the United Kingdom regardless of your nationality. If you are not a U.S. or U.K. citizen and live in another country, you may not be able to receive benefits. The restrictions on U.S. benefits are explained in the publication, Your Payments While You Are Outside The United States (Publication No. 05-10137).



Appeals
If you disagree with the decision made on your claim for benefits under the agreement, contact any U.K. or U.S. Social Security office. The people there can tell you what you need to do to appeal the decision.

The U.K. Social Security authorities will review your appeal if it affects your rights under the U.K. system, while U.S. Social Security authorities will review your appeal if it affects your rights under the U.S. system. Since each country's decisions are made independently of the other, a decision by one country on a particular issue may not always conform with the decision made by the other country on the same issue.

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For more information To file a claim for U.S. or U.K. benefits under the agreement, follow the instructions in "Claims for benefits" section.

To find out more about U.S. Social Security benefits or for information about a claim for benefits, contact any U.S. Social Security office or call our toll-free number at 1-800-772-1213. If you live outside the United States, write to:

Social Security Administration
OIO--Totalization
P.O. Box 17769
Baltimore, Maryland 21235-7769
U.S.A.

For information about the United Kingdom's Social Security programs:

If you live in the United Kingdom, contact your nearest office of the Department for Work and Pensions;
If you live outside the United Kingdom, and want information about benefits, contact:


Department for Work and Pensions
Pensions and Overseas Directorate
Tyneview Park
Whitley Road
Benton
Newcastle upon Tyne NE98 1BA
ENGLAND; or


If you live outside the United Kingdom and want advice about paying contributions:

Inland Revenue
National Insurance
Contributions Office
Centre for Non-Residents
Newcastle upon Tyne NE98 1ZZ
ENGLAND
If you don't wish to file a claim for benefits but would like more information about the agreement, write to:

Social Security Administration
Office of International Programs
P.O. Box 17741
Baltimore, Maryland 21235-7741
U.S.A.

For additional information visit our website: www.socialsecurity.gov/international.
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Originally Posted by ldyinlv

ooops, didnt mean to send all that , just the link..lol

Originally Posted by HighTide

You mean I was not supposed to read every word.

Originally Posted by ldyinlv

sorry...

Originally Posted by HighTide

I was just kidding Jackie.

Originally Posted by ldyinlv

I know,... I cant believe I sent all that..what a goofball..well, I hope there is some useful info there anyway..

Originally Posted by sallysimmons

Welcome to Gabgoeshome and SouthLondon!

Rosie, your photos are great! Thanks for sharing.

I've been meaning to share this link for a while and keep forgetting.

It's the website of a retired postman in the Lake District. He spends every day walking with his dog, and take photos of what he sees. And every day he posts pictures on his website. It's the first site I check every day!

Here are his photos from this week:

http://www.lakelandcam.co.uk/this_week/thisweek.html

So beautiful!

The main page at http://www.lakelandcam.co.uk has the most recent day's photos (scroll down past the ads) and he always publishes an email from a fan of the site. It's just a lovely treat each day and he never misses.

Originally Posted by trottytrue

Rodney...I worked in the UK from 15 till I was almost 30 and then on and off for a few more years. I get £46 I dont have enough credits for a full pension something like 22. I also worked in the US and have 15 credits but they do not combine so that does not help. I am sooo waiting for your return home and dont worry about the plane they are being very careful now. I'm still either sitting on your knee or squeezing in beside you. I want you to remember this, the day you leave I will be at the hospital have the router rooter treatment. Now which would your rather I will after it over take a nice glass of wine and drink to your health and happiness

Originally Posted by cheers

Rob,

Welcome to the forum. You will enjoy being on here.

What part of Canada?

What part of the UK?

Cheers

Originally Posted by jasper123

Strange isn't it a lot of us on here have been to many countries in the World either to live or visit but we have not seen too much of our own country,
Some have though, but not me, all I have seen is Somerset, Devon & Cornwall

Originally Posted by trottytrue

Love the pictures. I think the Lake District is perfect. It would be close to my family and when we went home for a visit 2years ago my husband loved the area. The icecream ...I could taste it. My children loved those. Cadburys flake. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......

Beedubya...I misunderstood, I thought the UK,OZ etc meant you had been back to stay on more than one occasion not just for holidays. So last year was the first time you had stayed for any length of time. Is there any chance that you could move closer to your daughter if you feel you cannot leave her. How did she do when you were away and does she have a boyfriend.

Grandchildren are wonderful but as I have said before once they get to teenagers they are off never mind Granny, Parents are lucky if they get to see them. I dont know about Australia but in the US when they are 18 they are off to University and you just get to see them on breaks and I am talking about parents. As much as my daughter in laws parents love being with their Grandchildren they have bought a home in Florida and will eventually move. So they are thinking of the future. Just making a plan will help even if things change at least you have that in the background.

Originally Posted by Fish n Chips 56

Thanks for that Sally, I love Landscape pics and sky pics, those are great, I bet most of us would love to live in a place like that, the 99 was a treat.