On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:40:51 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:32:11 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Sorry but mono means ONE! You are describing a cartel.
    >The point is that high prices in UK supermarkets are not the result of
    >the CAP. They are the direct result of supermarkets screwing both the
    >customers and the farmers

But the prices in UK supermarkets aren't high, they're lower than most
supermarkets I've visited in other countries - and as a
supermarketphilic I tend to look.

Jim.

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:44:22 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:

    >On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:40:51 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:32:11 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>Sorry but mono means ONE! You are describing a cartel.
    >>The point is that high prices in UK supermarkets are not the result of
    >>the CAP. They are the direct result of supermarkets screwing both the
    >>customers and the farmers
    >But the prices in UK supermarkets aren't high, they're lower than most
    >supermarkets I've visited in other countries - and as a
    >supermarketphilic I tend to look.

UK supermarket prices are higher than in NL, and Danes, who visited us
last week told me that Dutch prices are higher than in Denmark and
Germany.
--
Martin

[email protected] (PJ O'Donovan) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > Excerpt UK Guardian today:
    >
    > "On November 2, the entire civilised world will be praying, praying
    > Bush loses. And Sod's law dictates he'll probably win, thereby
    > disproving the existence of God once and for all. The world will
    > endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed,
    > with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us. John Wilkes Booth,
    > Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr - where are you now that we need
    > you?"
    >
    > Typical of fellow travellers on the left. Preach diversity and
    > "compassion" except for those that don't embrace their unworkable
    > Marxist dogma. For those who don't share the ideology insults and
    > threats of violence are in order.

Maybe the don't like neocons killing people with their warped
crusades?
I notice the very people you so worship have put prices on the heads
of many, works both ways, see.

    >
    > This conservative is outraged.

And?

    >
    > I have travelled to Europe several times a year for the past 35+ years
    > on business and pleasure , and now that I am retired exclusively for
    > pleasure.
    >
    > In recent years, my wife and I have stopped off in London overnight
    > and then gone on to the continent next morning. The convenience of the
    > relatively short flight from the East coast of the US has compensated
    > for the lousy weather, lousy ultra- expensive food, expensive broom-
    > closet type accommodations, and putting up with people with surly
    > attitudes and rotten teeth since it has been for only one night, over
    > and back.
    >
    > Unless I am satisfied with a proper apology,

Bwahahaha! Why do you bother coming to Europe at all, to get away from
all the fat, uncultured degenerates at home?

    > I will never spend a
    > penny again in that wothless peice of nothing called the UK that
    > happens to be on this planet.

We're fed up with being your "allies" too, dumberican. You spent one
penny (=having a piss, in english) too many on the brits.

    > It reflects "sour grapes" by this Socialist rag because their efforts
    > to get their Socialist readers to influence American voters in Ohio
    > has backfired.

Better than your NaZioCon media anytime. I bet watching Fox "news" is
the highlight of your day.
M.K.

[email protected] (OnePrivateIndividual) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > As a Brit I'd like to see the Guardian 'newspaper' prosecuted under
    > international law for this and also for their attempt this week to
    > influence critical swing voters in a foreign election.

Maybe we should have bombed the Whitehouse in revenge for all those
years of yank funded IRA terrorism instead, that would have been "the
american way" of "influencing foreign leadership change", you
asslicker.
M.K.


    >
    > U.K. Letters Aim to Influence Undecided Ohio Voters
    > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4120647

<[email protected]> wrote:
    > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> PJ O'Donovan writes:
    >>> Unless I am satisfied with a proper apology, I will never spend a
    >>> penny again in that wothless peice of nothing called the UK that
    >>> happens to be on this planet.
    >> You won't be missed.
    > I fully agree. I can't say I remember him posting before.

He shows up every once in a while and hangs around for a couple weeks
telling us all how rich he is, and how anyone less rich is by definition a
moral failure. Mxsmanic is right, he's not missed in the blessed interludes
while he sits naked on his cellar floor counting his gold doubloons instead
of posting his simplistic conservative fairy tales here.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos from 32 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu

[email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > On 24 Oct 2004 07:22:31 -0700, [email protected]
    > (OnePrivateIndividual) wrote:
    >
    > >As a Brit I'd like to see the Guardian 'newspaper' prosecuted under
    > >international law
    >
    > What particular law did you have in mind that they broke?

Attempting to influence the prospective leadership of a sovereign
country?
Unless you use 150000 soldiers, multi million$ bounties and kill tens
of thousands of civilians, that's got to be a heinous crime....
Does international law apply to the USA?
M.K.

    >
    > Jim.

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:58:43 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:44:22 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>But the prices in UK supermarkets aren't high, they're lower than most
    >>supermarkets I've visited in other countries - and as a
    >>supermarketphilic I tend to look.
    >UK supermarket prices are higher than in NL,

Really, that wasn't my experience a couple of months ago when I was
last there, is there an online NL supermarket where I can compare
prices?

Jim.

in article [email protected], Alan Harrison at
[email protected] wrote on 24/10/04 21:57:

    >
    > "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:BDA196D2.21A8A%[email protected]...
    >> in article [email protected], [email protected]
    > at
    >> [email protected] wrote on 24/10/04 15:32:
    >>
    >>> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:28:56 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> PJ O'Donovan writes:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Unless I am satisfied with a proper apology, I will never spend a
    >>>>> penny again in that wothless peice of nothing called the UK that
    >>>>> happens to be on this planet.
    >>>>
    >>>> You won't be missed.
    >>>
    >>> I fully agree. I can't say I remember him posting before.
    >>
    >>
    >> PJ never gives his sources but here it is---
    >>
    >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguide/c...333748,00.html
    >>
    >
    > The link didn't work for me, but I did eventually find it in yesterday's
    > copy.
    >
    > As others have said, the Guardian isn't by the most generous definition
    > "socialist". Nor is the item in question "UK news". It is the final
    > paragraph of a comment in the "Guide" section, the bit we keep for the
    > television times.
    >
    > Alan Harrison
    >
    >

It has now been replaced with an apology

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguide/t...335307,00.html

Screen Burn, The Guide

Sunday October 24, 2004
The Guardian

The final sentence of a column in The Guide on Saturday caused offence to
some readers. The Guardian associates itself with the following statement
from the writer.

"Charlie Brooker apologises for any offence caused by his comments relating
to President Bush in his TV column, Screen Burn. The views expressed in this
column are not those of the Guardian. Although flippant and tasteless, his
closing comments were intended as an ironic joke, not as a call to action -
an intention he believed regular readers of his humorous column would
understand. He deplores violence of any kind."

****

I note that the what Brooker wrote would likely be illegal in France since
it could be viewed as an incitation to a felonious act.

That or being an apologist for a felonious act are subject to sanctions.

After 9/11, one French prisoner vocally supported the attack, and got a
couple more years on his prison sentence. These are rare legal actions but
they are possible.

So Brooker may have ran afoul of British laws, I don`t know. International
laws? I doubt it.

Earl

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:05:39 GMT, "Mimi" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]. com...

<rant snipped>

    >And you really ought to see more of Britain than London. Truly beautiful
    >countryside and a lot cheaper.

In fact it looks as though he hasn't really seen London: he's only
seen the airports and airport hotels on a brief stopover and his
experiences are perhaps based on this.

Nevertheless the remark about 'rotten teeth' seems odd. It seems
unlikely that a poor standard of tooth-care would make an impression
on such a brief visit, and puzzling why it should cause him any
distress as a visitor.

A charitable explanation, given that the original poster is retired,
is that he first visited Britain many years ago, when both the popular
diet and dentistry were such that many fewer people had their own
teeth than today. But criticising Britons' teeth does seem to be a
standard part of the armoury used by any American wishing to express
dislike or disapproval of Britain.

Those who followed up the Guardian's own coverage of its Clark County
exercise might have noticed that Ian Katz, writing about the response
from the US, described a strange obsession with teeth among some of
the respondents. In the context of this thread, it makes me think
that the original poster - to put it as mildly as possible - has
issues with things British.

In any case, this seems to call for a new variant of Godwin's law:
something along the lines that as soon as the state of teeth in
Britain has entered a discussion, the thread has lost any value.
Serious threads about topics such as the flouridation of water
excepted of course.

Martin (typing this in London with freshly brushed teeth)

PJ O'Donovan wrote:
    > Excerpt UK Guardian today:
    >
    > "On November 2, the entire civilised world will be praying, praying
    > Bush loses. And Sod's law dictates he'll probably win, thereby
    > disproving the existence of God once and for all. The world will
    > endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed,
    > with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us. John Wilkes Booth,
    > Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr - where are you now that we need
    > you?"
    >
    > Typical of fellow travellers on the left. Preach diversity and
    > "compassion" except for those that don't embrace their unworkable
    > Marxist dogma. For those who don't share the ideology insults and
    > threats of violence are in order.
    >
    > This conservative is outraged.
    >

The Bush administration has done enough to justify a lot of outrage, so
I'm not impressed by any conservative outrage.


    > I have travelled to Europe several times a year for the past 35+ years
    > on business and pleasure , and now that I am retired exclusively for
    > pleasure.
    >

[snip]

    > Unless I am satisfied with a proper apology, I will never spend a
    > penny again in that wothless peice of nothing called the UK that
    > happens to be on this planet.
    >

You want an apology for what and from who?

Nils

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:50:26 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:

    >On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:58:43 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:44:22 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>>But the prices in UK supermarkets aren't high, they're lower than most
    >>>supermarkets I've visited in other countries - and as a
    >>>supermarketphilic I tend to look.
    >>UK supermarket prices are higher than in NL,
    >Really, that wasn't my experience a couple of months ago when I was
    >last there,

What did you buy? Where did you shop?

    >is there an online NL supermarket where I can compare
    >prices?

If there is, I am sure you can find it with google.
--
Martin

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:33:01 +0200, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:50:26 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:58:43 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:44:22 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>>>But the prices in UK supermarkets aren't high, they're lower than most
    >>>>supermarkets I've visited in other countries - and as a
    >>>>supermarketphilic I tend to look.
    >>>UK supermarket prices are higher than in NL,
    >>Really, that wasn't my experience a couple of months ago when I was
    >>last there,
    >What did you buy? Where did you shop?

I didn't buy anything, as I say, I'm a supermarketphilic, so wonder
around looking at prices/ambience etc. I think it was a konmar last
time - in Enschede.

    >>is there an online NL supermarket where I can compare
    >>prices?
    >If there is, I am sure you can find it with google.

Ah, but that may be misleading, as I wouldn't know if I was getting a
Premium shop like waitrose, or a price focussed one like Asda, hence
the request for a link.

Jim.

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:58:13 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:

    >On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:33:01 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:50:26 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>>On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:58:43 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>>On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:44:22 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>>>>But the prices in UK supermarkets aren't high, they're lower than most
    >>>>>supermarkets I've visited in other countries - and as a
    >>>>>supermarketphilic I tend to look.
    >>>>UK supermarket prices are higher than in NL,
    >>>Really, that wasn't my experience a couple of months ago when I was
    >>>last there,
    >>What did you buy? Where did you shop?
    >I didn't buy anything, as I say, I'm a supermarketphilic, so wonder
    >around looking at prices/ambience etc. I think it was a konmar last
    >time - in Enschede.
    >>>is there an online NL supermarket where I can compare
    >>>prices?
    >>If there is, I am sure you can find it with google.
    >Ah, but that may be misleading, as I wouldn't know if I was getting a
    >Premium shop like waitrose, or a price focussed one like Asda, hence
    >the request for a link.

Albert Hein are the most common & are/were the most expensive.
As part of the great Dutch supermarket price cutting war AH only sell
their own label products where possible.
Conmar is almost as expensive as AH, but in general the quality is
better and there is more choice. Conmar is losing a small fortune and
is about to disappear according to the owners.
Amongst the cheapest are C1000, Lidl and Digros.
--
Martin

Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >> [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>> [email protected] wrote:
    >>>> [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>>>> But the prices in UK supermarkets aren't high, they're lower than most
    >>>>> supermarkets I've visited in other countries - and as a
    >>>>> supermarketphilic I tend to look.
    >>>>
    >>>> UK supermarket prices are higher than in NL,
    >>> Really, that wasn't my experience a couple of months ago when I was
    >>> last there,
    >> What did you buy? Where did you shop?
    > I didn't buy anything, as I say, I'm a supermarketphilic, so wonder
    > around looking at prices/ambience etc. I think it was a konmar last
    > time - in Enschede.

How's this: Some things are cheaper in the UK, some thing are cheaper in NL.
I can easily see how someone could come away with either impression
depending on what they're shopping for.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos from 32 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:27:54 -0500, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz)
wrote:

    >Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> [email protected] wrote:
    >>> [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>>> [email protected] wrote:
    >>>>> [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
    >>>>>> But the prices in UK supermarkets aren't high, they're lower than most
    >>>>>> supermarkets I've visited in other countries - and as a
    >>>>>> supermarketphilic I tend to look.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> UK supermarket prices are higher than in NL,
    >>>> Really, that wasn't my experience a couple of months ago when I was
    >>>> last there,
    >>> What did you buy? Where did you shop?
    >> I didn't buy anything, as I say, I'm a supermarketphilic, so wonder
    >> around looking at prices/ambience etc. I think it was a konmar last
    >> time - in Enschede.
    >How's this: Some things are cheaper in the UK, some thing are cheaper in NL.
    >I can easily see how someone could come away with either impression
    >depending on what they're shopping for.

We made our judgment by shopping in NL normally and shopping for
several weeks a year in UK. There was a time when we returned from UK
with our car weighed down with food, nowadays we take stuff to England
when we go on holiday.
--
Martin