medical tratment in paris
Dec 5th 2003 | 3:41 pm
#61
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In article <[email protected]>,
Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
> That answers my question before I asked it.
>
> My health insurance (in Ireland) pays 100% of the cost of treatment.
> If any bills here are padded -- or, to put it in terms which are
> kinder to medical practitioners, set to cover the full economic cost
> of treatment -- it is those paid by insurance companies. I suspect
> that some practitioners have two scales of charges: high for those
> paying out of their own pockets, and very high for those covered by
> insurance.
>
> People of limited means and without insurance get treated free, but
> for non-critical problems they often have to wait months or, in some
> cases, years.
Can individuals sue the doctor is something goes wrong with treatment
they are receiving or something goes wrong with a surgery patient?
--
Nancy Kay
"Patience is a Virtue"
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Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
> That answers my question before I asked it.
>
> My health insurance (in Ireland) pays 100% of the cost of treatment.
> If any bills here are padded -- or, to put it in terms which are
> kinder to medical practitioners, set to cover the full economic cost
> of treatment -- it is those paid by insurance companies. I suspect
> that some practitioners have two scales of charges: high for those
> paying out of their own pockets, and very high for those covered by
> insurance.
>
> People of limited means and without insurance get treated free, but
> for non-critical problems they often have to wait months or, in some
> cases, years.
Can individuals sue the doctor is something goes wrong with treatment
they are receiving or something goes wrong with a surgery patient?
--
Nancy Kay
"Patience is a Virtue"
remove no in e-mail address
Dec 5th 2003 | 3:48 pm
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In article <[email protected]>,
Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> Not so much, most everyone knows it as a co-pay. Time and time again,
> it has shown to make for more accurate billing.
The hospital I have used sends an itemized bill to the insurance company
and to the individual. Makes for interesting reading to see if they
billed you for something you did not receive or have done. Rather
difficult to interpret the surgery bills since one is not aware of all
that is used during a surgery.( if you are not awake)
--
Nancy Kay
"Patience is a Virtue"
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Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
> Not so much, most everyone knows it as a co-pay. Time and time again,
> it has shown to make for more accurate billing.
The hospital I have used sends an itemized bill to the insurance company
and to the individual. Makes for interesting reading to see if they
billed you for something you did not receive or have done. Rather
difficult to interpret the surgery bills since one is not aware of all
that is used during a surgery.( if you are not awake)
--
Nancy Kay
"Patience is a Virtue"
remove no in e-mail address
Dec 5th 2003 | 3:54 pm
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In article <[email protected]>,
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> She lives with my father, who does work, and additionally they both
> receive small Social Security payments (not to be confused with any type
> of health plan). It's a fairly common situation in the U.S.
If they receive Social Security checks they should be covered by
Medicare. Your mom should have been eligible based on your dads being
eligible for Social Security if your mom did not have the require
quarters of work.
--
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"Patience is a Virtue"
remove no in e-mail address
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> She lives with my father, who does work, and additionally they both
> receive small Social Security payments (not to be confused with any type
> of health plan). It's a fairly common situation in the U.S.
If they receive Social Security checks they should be covered by
Medicare. Your mom should have been eligible based on your dads being
eligible for Social Security if your mom did not have the require
quarters of work.
--
Nancy Kay
"Patience is a Virtue"
remove no in e-mail address
Dec 5th 2003 | 4:43 pm
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Nancy Kay writes:
> If they receive Social Security checks they should be covered by
> Medicare.
Social Security benefits start at an earlier age than Medicare,
according to them.
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> If they receive Social Security checks they should be covered by
> Medicare.
Social Security benefits start at an earlier age than Medicare,
according to them.
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Dec 5th 2003 | 4:44 pm
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Nancy Kay writes:
> Can individuals sue the doctor is something goes wrong with treatment
> they are receiving or something goes wrong with a surgery patient?
More importantly, do they have to?
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> Can individuals sue the doctor is something goes wrong with treatment
> they are receiving or something goes wrong with a surgery patient?
More importantly, do they have to?
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Dec 5th 2003 | 4:59 pm
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Owain wrote:
> "Gregory Morrow" wrote
> | Sure, there are public charity hospitals, clinics, etc. but they are
> | extremely over - burdened as it is.
> 'public charity hospitals' - didn't we have those in medieval times?
Yup...some of these US hospitals are Bedlams, others are modern and state -
of - the - art. Chicago has a beautiful new public hospital. The care
there is quite good:
http://www.cchil.org/Cch/thenew.htm
The new millennium heralds the final steps in the completion of a
state-of-the-art Cook County Hospital, which serves as the tertiary hub of
the Cook County Bureau of Health Services system. The facility will replace
a sprawling 13-building campus, whose main pavilion was opened in 1914. From
the beginning, the new Cook County Hospital was designed to provide the most
advanced medical care and increase efficiency.
Opening in the year 2002, just a few yards away from the original hospital
building, the 464-bed hospital will be anchored by 228 medical/surgical
beds, with dedicated units for obstetrics (40 beds), pediatrics (40 beds),
intensive care (80 beds), neonatal intensive care (58 beds), and burns (18
beds). Anticipating an increasing trend toward shorter inpatient hospital
stays and procedures, approximately 40% of the hospital's space will be used
for outpatient care, specialty diagnosis and treatement.
Mission Statement:
To provide a Comprehensive Program
of Quality Health Care
with Respect and Dignity,
to the residents of Cook County,
regardless of their ability to pay.
Since the 1800’s, Cook County Hospital has provided comprehensive primary,
specialty and tertiary healthcare services to residents of the county with
the second largest population in the United States. The hospital is
nationally known for its expertise and breadth of services, including its
Level 1 Trauma Center, Burn Unit, and Neonatal Intensive Care Unit, the
largest in the Midwest. It is also recognized for its centers of excellence,
which include, among others: asthma, cancer, maternal and infant health, and
infectious diseases. Providing a full spectrum of specialty and
sub-specialty services, Cook County Hospital meets the wide-ranging medical
needs of a diverse population."
</>
> "Gregory Morrow" wrote
> | Sure, there are public charity hospitals, clinics, etc. but they are
> | extremely over - burdened as it is.
> 'public charity hospitals' - didn't we have those in medieval times?
Yup...some of these US hospitals are Bedlams, others are modern and state -
of - the - art. Chicago has a beautiful new public hospital. The care
there is quite good:
http://www.cchil.org/Cch/thenew.htm
The new millennium heralds the final steps in the completion of a
state-of-the-art Cook County Hospital, which serves as the tertiary hub of
the Cook County Bureau of Health Services system. The facility will replace
a sprawling 13-building campus, whose main pavilion was opened in 1914. From
the beginning, the new Cook County Hospital was designed to provide the most
advanced medical care and increase efficiency.
Opening in the year 2002, just a few yards away from the original hospital
building, the 464-bed hospital will be anchored by 228 medical/surgical
beds, with dedicated units for obstetrics (40 beds), pediatrics (40 beds),
intensive care (80 beds), neonatal intensive care (58 beds), and burns (18
beds). Anticipating an increasing trend toward shorter inpatient hospital
stays and procedures, approximately 40% of the hospital's space will be used
for outpatient care, specialty diagnosis and treatement.
Mission Statement:
To provide a Comprehensive Program
of Quality Health Care
with Respect and Dignity,
to the residents of Cook County,
regardless of their ability to pay.
Since the 1800’s, Cook County Hospital has provided comprehensive primary,
specialty and tertiary healthcare services to residents of the county with
the second largest population in the United States. The hospital is
nationally known for its expertise and breadth of services, including its
Level 1 Trauma Center, Burn Unit, and Neonatal Intensive Care Unit, the
largest in the Midwest. It is also recognized for its centers of excellence,
which include, among others: asthma, cancer, maternal and infant health, and
infectious diseases. Providing a full spectrum of specialty and
sub-specialty services, Cook County Hospital meets the wide-ranging medical
needs of a diverse population."
</>
Dec 5th 2003 | 9:41 pm
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Nancy Kay <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
>> That answers my question before I asked it.
>>
>> My health insurance (in Ireland) pays 100% of the cost of treatment.
>> If any bills here are padded -- or, to put it in terms which are
>> kinder to medical practitioners, set to cover the full economic cost
>> of treatment -- it is those paid by insurance companies. I suspect
>> that some practitioners have two scales of charges: high for those
>> paying out of their own pockets, and very high for those covered by
>> insurance.
>>
>> People of limited means and without insurance get treated free, but
>> for non-critical problems they often have to wait months or, in some
>> cases, years.
>Can individuals sue the doctor is something goes wrong with treatment
>they are receiving or something goes wrong with a surgery patient?
Yes. Ireland has bought into the litigation culture; people will sue
for almost anything. Practitioners need to be insured for such
liability, and the premiums have become enormous, of the order of
€200,000 p.a. in some fields.
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>In article <[email protected]>,
> Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
>> That answers my question before I asked it.
>>
>> My health insurance (in Ireland) pays 100% of the cost of treatment.
>> If any bills here are padded -- or, to put it in terms which are
>> kinder to medical practitioners, set to cover the full economic cost
>> of treatment -- it is those paid by insurance companies. I suspect
>> that some practitioners have two scales of charges: high for those
>> paying out of their own pockets, and very high for those covered by
>> insurance.
>>
>> People of limited means and without insurance get treated free, but
>> for non-critical problems they often have to wait months or, in some
>> cases, years.
>Can individuals sue the doctor is something goes wrong with treatment
>they are receiving or something goes wrong with a surgery patient?
Yes. Ireland has bought into the litigation culture; people will sue
for almost anything. Practitioners need to be insured for such
liability, and the premiums have become enormous, of the order of
€200,000 p.a. in some fields.
--
PB
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Dec 5th 2003 | 9:42 pm
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>Nancy Kay writes:
>> Can individuals sue the doctor is something goes wrong with treatment
>> they are receiving or something goes wrong with a surgery patient?
>More importantly, do they have to?
Good question. Yes, they do.
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>Nancy Kay writes:
>> Can individuals sue the doctor is something goes wrong with treatment
>> they are receiving or something goes wrong with a surgery patient?
>More importantly, do they have to?
Good question. Yes, they do.
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Dec 6th 2003 | 12:19 am
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Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> Nancy Kay writes:
>
> > If they receive Social Security checks they should be covered by
> > Medicare.
>
> Social Security benefits start at an earlier age than Medicare,
> according to them.
>
This is true. Early benefits can start at 62. Widow's benefits can start
at 60.
Medicare doesn't start til 65.
>
> Nancy Kay writes:
>
> > If they receive Social Security checks they should be covered by
> > Medicare.
>
> Social Security benefits start at an earlier age than Medicare,
> according to them.
>
This is true. Early benefits can start at 62. Widow's benefits can start
at 60.
Medicare doesn't start til 65.
Dec 6th 2003 | 12:44 am
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:24:08 -0800, Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Go Fig writes:
>>
>> > But why didn't she have insurance ?
>>
>> She doesn't work, and her husband's insurance does not cover her, as I
>> said. Where is the insurance going to come from?
>From his earnings... just like the food and clothes she has.
>jay
>Fri, Dec 5, 2003
>mailto:[email protected]
The cost of a health insurance policy for an older person who
does not have access to a group policy is extremely high. And
when buying health insurance as an individual, pre-existing
conditions are not covered. There are countless uninsured
people who simply can't afford to carry an individual health
insurance policy. People who are not poor enough to qualify
for free medical care under Medicaid, but don't have enough
income to afford private health insurance. It is called "falling
through the cracks" in our U.S. system. The choices often are
pay for health insurance or pay for rent/mortgage and food.
And some, with very poor health, are simply uninsurable under
any individual health insurance policy. If you don't have access
to a group plan, you are in a very bad situation with regard to
health care in the U.S.
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Go Fig writes:
>>
>> > But why didn't she have insurance ?
>>
>> She doesn't work, and her husband's insurance does not cover her, as I
>> said. Where is the insurance going to come from?
>From his earnings... just like the food and clothes she has.
>jay
>Fri, Dec 5, 2003
>mailto:[email protected]
The cost of a health insurance policy for an older person who
does not have access to a group policy is extremely high. And
when buying health insurance as an individual, pre-existing
conditions are not covered. There are countless uninsured
people who simply can't afford to carry an individual health
insurance policy. People who are not poor enough to qualify
for free medical care under Medicaid, but don't have enough
income to afford private health insurance. It is called "falling
through the cracks" in our U.S. system. The choices often are
pay for health insurance or pay for rent/mortgage and food.
And some, with very poor health, are simply uninsurable under
any individual health insurance policy. If you don't have access
to a group plan, you are in a very bad situation with regard to
health care in the U.S.
Dec 6th 2003 | 12:49 am
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"Go Fig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> wrote:
> Is inaccurate billing much of a discussion point in the UK health
> delivery system ?
Nope , for the most part there is no billing of end users.
Its not just that NHS hospitals dont issue bills most have no
mechanism for doing so. Even the private care I had through
BUPA was paid by them direct and I never saw a bill
amd couldnt telly you what it cost !
Keith
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> wrote:
> Is inaccurate billing much of a discussion point in the UK health
> delivery system ?
Nope , for the most part there is no billing of end users.
Its not just that NHS hospitals dont issue bills most have no
mechanism for doing so. Even the private care I had through
BUPA was paid by them direct and I never saw a bill
amd couldnt telly you what it cost !
Keith
Dec 6th 2003 | 12:59 am
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"Go Fig" wrote
| Is inaccurate billing much of a discussion point in the
| UK health delivery system ?
What billing? We get most things free.
Prescription medicines are a fixed price per thing [1] and dental treatments
are fixed price [2] on the NHS [3]. I think most people just pay as they
use.
Owain
[1] Season ticket available for heavy users; children and those on state
benefits get free.
[2] The Government fixes the price eg per X-ray, per filling, and the
patient pays, I think, 20% of that price; children and those on state
benefits get free. Maxillofacial and other surgery carried out in dental
hospitals is, AFAIK, free.
[3] For those lucky enough to get an NHS dentist; many dentists are finding
they cannot run a viable practice on NHS rates and only accept private
patients, so in many areas there is a severe shortage of NHS dentists.
| Is inaccurate billing much of a discussion point in the
| UK health delivery system ?
What billing? We get most things free.
Prescription medicines are a fixed price per thing [1] and dental treatments
are fixed price [2] on the NHS [3]. I think most people just pay as they
use.
Owain
[1] Season ticket available for heavy users; children and those on state
benefits get free.
[2] The Government fixes the price eg per X-ray, per filling, and the
patient pays, I think, 20% of that price; children and those on state
benefits get free. Maxillofacial and other surgery carried out in dental
hospitals is, AFAIK, free.
[3] For those lucky enough to get an NHS dentist; many dentists are finding
they cannot run a viable practice on NHS rates and only accept private
patients, so in many areas there is a severe shortage of NHS dentists.
Dec 6th 2003 | 5:08 am
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Jenn <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected] >,
> [email protected] (PJ O'Donovan) wrote:
>
> > [email protected] (Terryo) wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]. com>...
> > > Um ... do you still have your liver?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Your pontification reeks of inconsistency. We are at the "top"
> > technologically
> > but we have the "worst" delivery????
> >
> > Wishful thinking on your part. Many wealthy European consider their
> > "national"
> > health care as the provider of last resort and those that can afford
> > it seek private care. Many of the wealthiest come here and pay for the
> > service.
> >
> > In most states state laws make it illegal for hospitals to refuse care
> > for the indigents and uninsured. The unisured and poor still have
> > access to the best health care system in the world. Many Europeans are
> > in denial of this fact.
>
<< in the US people without health insurance are twice as likely to
die of
> breast cancer than those with it>>
>
>
In many cases has more to do with the presence or absence of
individual self responsibility than the pros and cons of private vs
government provided health care.
> In article <[email protected] >,
> [email protected] (PJ O'Donovan) wrote:
>
> > [email protected] (Terryo) wrote in message
> > news:<[email protected]. com>...
> > > Um ... do you still have your liver?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Your pontification reeks of inconsistency. We are at the "top"
> > technologically
> > but we have the "worst" delivery????
> >
> > Wishful thinking on your part. Many wealthy European consider their
> > "national"
> > health care as the provider of last resort and those that can afford
> > it seek private care. Many of the wealthiest come here and pay for the
> > service.
> >
> > In most states state laws make it illegal for hospitals to refuse care
> > for the indigents and uninsured. The unisured and poor still have
> > access to the best health care system in the world. Many Europeans are
> > in denial of this fact.
>
<< in the US people without health insurance are twice as likely to
die of
> breast cancer than those with it>>
>
>
In many cases has more to do with the presence or absence of
individual self responsibility than the pros and cons of private vs
government provided health care.
Dec 6th 2003 | 6:29 am
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"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<a%[email protected] k.net>...
> PJ O'Donovan wrote:
>
> >
> > Your pontification reeks of inconsistency. We are at the "top"
> > technologically
> > but we have the "worst" delivery????
> >
> > Wishful thinking on your part. Many wealthy European consider their
> > "national"
> > health care as the provider of last resort and those that can afford
> > it seek private care. Many of the wealthiest come here and pay for the
> > service.
>
>
>> Screw the "wealthiest" - they can always take care of themselves.
Karl Marx couldn't say it better. Achievers should be penalized in
order
to subsidize under achievers.
>> *fact* that the poorest indigents still have access to good health
care in
> the EU, Canada, Oz, etc.>>
Statistics please to back up your claim. When driving through
Australia,
I saw private hospitals and public health clinics. The public
clinics
were easily identified by massive cues outside.
Australians told me that the only the desperate who couldn't
afford it (about 20%)
took advantage of government health. I have heard similar figures
in NZ and Italy.
Germany may be an exception, where about 80% opt for government care.
Of course Germans IMO have had a love affair with their governments
and leadership throughout history and inflated opinions as to what
this thing called government can do for them.
> > In most states state laws make it illegal for hospitals to refuse care
> > for the indigents and uninsured. The unisured and poor still have
> > access to the best health care system in the world.
>
>
<<because many middle - class people cannot
afford health insurance)>>
Primarily because those with insurance are subsidizing those who get
the care and don't pay and those who don't pay keep increasing
because they know they get the care without paying.
<<I don't know *one* European that would trade their health care
system for
> ours (I know lots of folks from the UK, Western Europe, Canada...). >>
Even if they like their system which is arguable, it is fine with me
but I don't
don't want Marxist/ Socialists fooling with mine in the US.
<< Your life can be *ruined* here if run up high medical bills (even
if you
> have insurance) - you can lose your home/property, business, bank accounts,
> car, etc. .>>
Wealth of the elderly, if dissapated, is usually for long term
custodial nursing home costs because we are living longer as a result
of access to advances in medical technology. Of course Marxists will
think somebody else should pay for long term nursing home costs.
Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your
country!
> PJ O'Donovan wrote:
>
> >
> > Your pontification reeks of inconsistency. We are at the "top"
> > technologically
> > but we have the "worst" delivery????
> >
> > Wishful thinking on your part. Many wealthy European consider their
> > "national"
> > health care as the provider of last resort and those that can afford
> > it seek private care. Many of the wealthiest come here and pay for the
> > service.
>
>
>> Screw the "wealthiest" - they can always take care of themselves.
Karl Marx couldn't say it better. Achievers should be penalized in
order
to subsidize under achievers.
>> *fact* that the poorest indigents still have access to good health
care in
> the EU, Canada, Oz, etc.>>
Statistics please to back up your claim. When driving through
Australia,
I saw private hospitals and public health clinics. The public
clinics
were easily identified by massive cues outside.
Australians told me that the only the desperate who couldn't
afford it (about 20%)
took advantage of government health. I have heard similar figures
in NZ and Italy.
Germany may be an exception, where about 80% opt for government care.
Of course Germans IMO have had a love affair with their governments
and leadership throughout history and inflated opinions as to what
this thing called government can do for them.
> > In most states state laws make it illegal for hospitals to refuse care
> > for the indigents and uninsured. The unisured and poor still have
> > access to the best health care system in the world.
>
>
<<because many middle - class people cannot
afford health insurance)>>
Primarily because those with insurance are subsidizing those who get
the care and don't pay and those who don't pay keep increasing
because they know they get the care without paying.
<<I don't know *one* European that would trade their health care
system for
> ours (I know lots of folks from the UK, Western Europe, Canada...). >>
Even if they like their system which is arguable, it is fine with me
but I don't
don't want Marxist/ Socialists fooling with mine in the US.
<< Your life can be *ruined* here if run up high medical bills (even
if you
> have insurance) - you can lose your home/property, business, bank accounts,
> car, etc. .>>
Wealth of the elderly, if dissapated, is usually for long term
custodial nursing home costs because we are living longer as a result
of access to advances in medical technology. Of course Marxists will
think somebody else should pay for long term nursing home costs.
Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your
country!
Dec 6th 2003 | 7:05 am
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"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<a%[email protected] k.net>...
> > PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> >
> Statistics please to back up your claim. When driving through
> Australia,
> I saw private hospitals and public health clinics. The public
> clinics
> were easily identified by massive cues outside.
They were snooker halls mate.
Keith
news:[email protected]...
> "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<a%[email protected] k.net>...
> > PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> >
> Statistics please to back up your claim. When driving through
> Australia,
> I saw private hospitals and public health clinics. The public
> clinics
> were easily identified by massive cues outside.
They were snooker halls mate.
Keith
