medical tratment in paris
Dec 4th 2003 | 11:38 pm
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PJ O'Donovan wrote:
> [email protected] (Terryo) wrote in message
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> > Um ... do you still have your liver?
> >
> > Just kidding. Glad it worked out so well for you. Another reminder
> > that the U.S. has one of the worst health care DELIVERY systems in the
> > industrialized world. Even though it is near the top technologically,
> > there are many who cannot obtain the advantages of that
> > technology......
> Your pontification reeks of inconsistency. We are at the "top"
> technologically
> but we have the "worst" delivery????
> Wishful thinking on your part. Many wealthy European consider their
> "national"
> health care as the provider of last resort and those that can afford
> it seek private care. Many of the wealthiest come here and pay for the
> service.
Screw the "wealthiest" - they can always take care of themselves. It's a
*fact* that the poorest indigents still have access to good health care in
the EU, Canada, Oz, etc. That to me is a measure of a civilised and humane
society - how a nation takes care of it's poorest folk. And I don't
consider the US a humane nation in this regard, *not* at all....
> In most states state laws make it illegal for hospitals to refuse care
> for the indigents and uninsured. The unisured and poor still have
> access to the best health care system in the world.
That is, *emergency* care in many US hospitals is supposed to guaranteed to
all comers, but *continuing* care for the poor and uninsured (and the terms
are not interchangeble anymore, because many middle - class people cannot
afford health insurance) is a nightmare. And it's going to get a *lot*
worse. Sure, there are public charity hospitals, clinics, etc. but they are
extremely over - burdened as it is.
Many Europeans are
> in denial of this fact.
I don't know *one* European that would trade their health care system for
ours (I know lots of folks from the UK, Western Europe, Canada...). They
are uniformly appalled that the US has a health care system that denies care
to 40+ million of it's uninsured citizens.
*All* health care systems have problems, but the US' health care system is
just about ready to flatline.
Your life can be *ruined* here if run up high medical bills (even if you
have insurance) - you can lose your home/property, business, bank accounts,
car, etc. Not to mention that your credit will be wrought havoc with...thus
rendering you a virtual outcast in a society that values your "worth" solely
by your credit rating.
Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
--
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Greg "did I just see a asterisk?"
> [email protected] (Terryo) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]. com>...
> > Um ... do you still have your liver?
> >
> > Just kidding. Glad it worked out so well for you. Another reminder
> > that the U.S. has one of the worst health care DELIVERY systems in the
> > industrialized world. Even though it is near the top technologically,
> > there are many who cannot obtain the advantages of that
> > technology......
> Your pontification reeks of inconsistency. We are at the "top"
> technologically
> but we have the "worst" delivery????
> Wishful thinking on your part. Many wealthy European consider their
> "national"
> health care as the provider of last resort and those that can afford
> it seek private care. Many of the wealthiest come here and pay for the
> service.
Screw the "wealthiest" - they can always take care of themselves. It's a
*fact* that the poorest indigents still have access to good health care in
the EU, Canada, Oz, etc. That to me is a measure of a civilised and humane
society - how a nation takes care of it's poorest folk. And I don't
consider the US a humane nation in this regard, *not* at all....
> In most states state laws make it illegal for hospitals to refuse care
> for the indigents and uninsured. The unisured and poor still have
> access to the best health care system in the world.
That is, *emergency* care in many US hospitals is supposed to guaranteed to
all comers, but *continuing* care for the poor and uninsured (and the terms
are not interchangeble anymore, because many middle - class people cannot
afford health insurance) is a nightmare. And it's going to get a *lot*
worse. Sure, there are public charity hospitals, clinics, etc. but they are
extremely over - burdened as it is.
Many Europeans are
> in denial of this fact.
I don't know *one* European that would trade their health care system for
ours (I know lots of folks from the UK, Western Europe, Canada...). They
are uniformly appalled that the US has a health care system that denies care
to 40+ million of it's uninsured citizens.
*All* health care systems have problems, but the US' health care system is
just about ready to flatline.
Your life can be *ruined* here if run up high medical bills (even if you
have insurance) - you can lose your home/property, business, bank accounts,
car, etc. Not to mention that your credit will be wrought havoc with...thus
rendering you a virtual outcast in a society that values your "worth" solely
by your credit rating.
Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
--
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Greg "did I just see a asterisk?"
Dec 5th 2003 | 12:32 am
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"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
It happened to a very good friend of mine. His wife developed
cancer and although the care she got was first class they
went through the amount of money allowed under their health
insurance and when after several years she died he was left
bankrupt. He is rather bitter to say the least after being
left both bereaved and penniless. The one saving grace is they
couldnt touch his pension fund but he lost everything else.
Keith
news:a%[email protected]...
> Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
It happened to a very good friend of mine. His wife developed
cancer and although the care she got was first class they
went through the amount of money allowed under their health
insurance and when after several years she died he was left
bankrupt. He is rather bitter to say the least after being
left both bereaved and penniless. The one saving grace is they
couldnt touch his pension fund but he lost everything else.
Keith
Dec 5th 2003 | 1:01 am
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Gregory Morrow writes:
> Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
Falling ill is a very common cause of bankruptcy in the U.S. And one
need not fall gravely ill.
My mother had a simple gall bladder operation, and the hospital charged
her $40,000 for the procedure. Fortunately, she was smart, and demanded
actual justification for the charges: signed doctors' orders, test
results, etc. When she pressed for documentation, the hospital lowered
the bill to _only_ $6500! So that's at least $33,500 in gravy that they
fully expected to obtain. And a lot of people would simply have paid
the bill, even if they had to sell everything they owned to do so.
Other people would not have had the means to pay the bill, and would
have spent the rest of their lives making payments.
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> Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
Falling ill is a very common cause of bankruptcy in the U.S. And one
need not fall gravely ill.
My mother had a simple gall bladder operation, and the hospital charged
her $40,000 for the procedure. Fortunately, she was smart, and demanded
actual justification for the charges: signed doctors' orders, test
results, etc. When she pressed for documentation, the hospital lowered
the bill to _only_ $6500! So that's at least $33,500 in gravy that they
fully expected to obtain. And a lot of people would simply have paid
the bill, even if they had to sell everything they owned to do so.
Other people would not have had the means to pay the bill, and would
have spent the rest of their lives making payments.
--
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Dec 5th 2003 | 1:13 am
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Keith Willshaw wrote:
> "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:a%[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
> >
> It happened to a very good friend of mine. His wife developed
> cancer and although the care she got was first class they
> went through the amount of money allowed under their health
> insurance and when after several years she died he was left
> bankrupt. He is rather bitter to say the least after being
> left both bereaved and penniless. The one saving grace is they
> couldnt touch his pension fund but he lost everything else.
Yep, medical costs are one of the leading reasons that people in the US
claim bankruptcy. And there are also often caps on the amount of insurance
coverage one can receive - as in your frined's case, once you reach that
limit you're on your own :-(
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Greg
> "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:a%[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
> >
> It happened to a very good friend of mine. His wife developed
> cancer and although the care she got was first class they
> went through the amount of money allowed under their health
> insurance and when after several years she died he was left
> bankrupt. He is rather bitter to say the least after being
> left both bereaved and penniless. The one saving grace is they
> couldnt touch his pension fund but he lost everything else.
Yep, medical costs are one of the leading reasons that people in the US
claim bankruptcy. And there are also often caps on the amount of insurance
coverage one can receive - as in your frined's case, once you reach that
limit you're on your own :-(
--
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Greg
Dec 5th 2003 | 1:17 am
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> Gregory Morrow writes:
> > Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
> Falling ill is a very common cause of bankruptcy in the U.S. And one
> need not fall gravely ill.
> My mother had a simple gall bladder operation, and the hospital charged
> her $40,000 for the procedure. Fortunately, she was smart, and demanded
> actual justification for the charges: signed doctors' orders, test
> results, etc. When she pressed for documentation, the hospital lowered
> the bill to _only_ $6500! So that's at least $33,500 in gravy that they
> fully expected to obtain. And a lot of people would simply have paid
> the bill, even if they had to sell everything they owned to do so.
> Other people would not have had the means to pay the bill, and would
> have spent the rest of their lives making payments.
Did your mother have insurance? One of the nasty "tricks" that hospitals
here engage in is to charge uninsured patients *much* more than they would
an insured patient.
--
Best
Greg
> Gregory Morrow writes:
> > Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
> Falling ill is a very common cause of bankruptcy in the U.S. And one
> need not fall gravely ill.
> My mother had a simple gall bladder operation, and the hospital charged
> her $40,000 for the procedure. Fortunately, she was smart, and demanded
> actual justification for the charges: signed doctors' orders, test
> results, etc. When she pressed for documentation, the hospital lowered
> the bill to _only_ $6500! So that's at least $33,500 in gravy that they
> fully expected to obtain. And a lot of people would simply have paid
> the bill, even if they had to sell everything they owned to do so.
> Other people would not have had the means to pay the bill, and would
> have spent the rest of their lives making payments.
Did your mother have insurance? One of the nasty "tricks" that hospitals
here engage in is to charge uninsured patients *much* more than they would
an insured patient.
--
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Greg
Dec 5th 2003 | 1:52 am
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Gregory Morrow writes:
> Did your mother have insurance?
No. She doesn't work, my father's plan didn't include her, and she was
too young for any kind of Medicare.
> One of the nasty "tricks" that hospitals here engage in
> is to charge uninsured patients *much* more than they would
> an insured patient.
Yes, and we warned her about that. When she pressed the hospital for
documentation to back up its fradulent billing, they quickly backed off.
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> Did your mother have insurance?
No. She doesn't work, my father's plan didn't include her, and she was
too young for any kind of Medicare.
> One of the nasty "tricks" that hospitals here engage in
> is to charge uninsured patients *much* more than they would
> an insured patient.
Yes, and we warned her about that. When she pressed the hospital for
documentation to back up its fradulent billing, they quickly backed off.
--
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Dec 5th 2003 | 2:20 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Gregory Morrow writes:
>
> > Did your mother have insurance?
>
> No. She doesn't work, my father's plan didn't include her, and she was
> too young for any kind of Medicare.
But why didn't she have insurance ?
jay
Fri, Dec 5, 2003
mailto:[email protected]
>
> > One of the nasty "tricks" that hospitals here engage in
> > is to charge uninsured patients *much* more than they would
> > an insured patient.
>
> Yes, and we warned her about that. When she pressed the hospital for
> documentation to back up its fradulent billing, they quickly backed off.
--
Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Gregory Morrow writes:
>
> > Did your mother have insurance?
>
> No. She doesn't work, my father's plan didn't include her, and she was
> too young for any kind of Medicare.
But why didn't she have insurance ?
jay
Fri, Dec 5, 2003
mailto:[email protected]
>
> > One of the nasty "tricks" that hospitals here engage in
> > is to charge uninsured patients *much* more than they would
> > an insured patient.
>
> Yes, and we warned her about that. When she pressed the hospital for
> documentation to back up its fradulent billing, they quickly backed off.
--
Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."
Dec 5th 2003 | 2:51 am
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Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Gregory Morrow writes:
>>
>> > Did your mother have insurance?
>>
>> No. She doesn't work, my father's plan didn't include her, and she was
>> too young for any kind of Medicare.
>But why didn't she have insurance ?
Come on, Jay! You asked one question which you should not have, and
got an answer. Mx's mother's personal circumstances are not our
business.
--
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>In article <[email protected]>,
> Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Gregory Morrow writes:
>>
>> > Did your mother have insurance?
>>
>> No. She doesn't work, my father's plan didn't include her, and she was
>> too young for any kind of Medicare.
>But why didn't she have insurance ?
Come on, Jay! You asked one question which you should not have, and
got an answer. Mx's mother's personal circumstances are not our
business.
--
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Dec 5th 2003 | 2:55 am
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"Gregory Morrow" wrote
| Sure, there are public charity hospitals, clinics, etc. but they are
| extremely over - burdened as it is.
'public charity hospitals' - didn't we have those in medieval times?
Owain
| Sure, there are public charity hospitals, clinics, etc. but they are
| extremely over - burdened as it is.
'public charity hospitals' - didn't we have those in medieval times?
Owain
Dec 5th 2003 | 2:57 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Mxsmanic) wrote:
> Gregory Morrow writes:
>
> > Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
>
> Falling ill is a very common cause of bankruptcy in the U.S. And one
> need not fall gravely ill.
>
> My mother had a simple gall bladder operation, and the hospital charged
> her $40,000 for the procedure. Fortunately, she was smart, and demanded
> actual justification for the charges: signed doctors' orders, test
> results, etc. When she pressed for documentation, the hospital lowered
> the bill to _only_ $6500!
That is, seriously, shocking: both the scale of the original bill, and the
amount by which it must have been padded.
[email protected] (Mxsmanic) wrote:
> Gregory Morrow writes:
>
> > Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
>
> Falling ill is a very common cause of bankruptcy in the U.S. And one
> need not fall gravely ill.
>
> My mother had a simple gall bladder operation, and the hospital charged
> her $40,000 for the procedure. Fortunately, she was smart, and demanded
> actual justification for the charges: signed doctors' orders, test
> results, etc. When she pressed for documentation, the hospital lowered
> the bill to _only_ $6500!
That is, seriously, shocking: both the scale of the original bill, and the
amount by which it must have been padded.
Dec 5th 2003 | 3:10 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Gregory Morrow writes:
> >>
> >> > Did your mother have insurance?
> >>
> >> No. She doesn't work, my father's plan didn't include her, and she was
> >> too young for any kind of Medicare.
> >
> >But why didn't she have insurance ?
> >
> Come on, Jay! You asked one question which you should not have, and
> got an answer. Mx's mother's personal circumstances are not our
> business.
Well, since she didn't work, how did she eat or put clothes on her back ?
jay
Fri, Dec 5, 2003
mailto:[email protected]
--
Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."
Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Gregory Morrow writes:
> >>
> >> > Did your mother have insurance?
> >>
> >> No. She doesn't work, my father's plan didn't include her, and she was
> >> too young for any kind of Medicare.
> >
> >But why didn't she have insurance ?
> >
> Come on, Jay! You asked one question which you should not have, and
> got an answer. Mx's mother's personal circumstances are not our
> business.
Well, since she didn't work, how did she eat or put clothes on her back ?
jay
Fri, Dec 5, 2003
mailto:[email protected]
--
Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."
Dec 5th 2003 | 3:11 am
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In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] (PJ O'Donovan) wrote:
> [email protected] (Terryo) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]. com>...
> > Um ... do you still have your liver?
> >
> > Just kidding. Glad it worked out so well for you. Another reminder
> > that the U.S. has one of the worst health care DELIVERY systems in the
> > industrialized world. Even though it is near the top technologically,
> > there are many who cannot obtain the advantages of that
> > technology......
>
> Your pontification reeks of inconsistency. We are at the "top"
> technologically
> but we have the "worst" delivery????
>
> Wishful thinking on your part. Many wealthy European consider their
> "national"
> health care as the provider of last resort and those that can afford
> it seek private care. Many of the wealthiest come here and pay for the
> service.
>
> In most states state laws make it illegal for hospitals to refuse care
> for the indigents and uninsured. The unisured and poor still have
> access to the best health care system in the world. Many Europeans are
> in denial of this fact.
in the US people without health insurance are twice as likely to die of
breast cancer than those with it
Americans with insurance seem simply unaware of the fact that those
without are not entitled to care -- until they are so sick that it is an
emergency. You get care when your lungs are hemmorhaging -- but not
early care to diagnose and treat your TB. You get emergency care for
the stroke, but not early care to diagnose and treat high blood pressure.
etc etc etc And if you are uninsured, you are charged two or three
times as much for medical procedures that insurance companies have low
rates for with hospitals -- so a working person with modest assets is
easily drive into bankruptcy by even a fairly minor medical situation
requiring surgery or hospital treatment.
[email protected] (PJ O'Donovan) wrote:
> [email protected] (Terryo) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]. com>...
> > Um ... do you still have your liver?
> >
> > Just kidding. Glad it worked out so well for you. Another reminder
> > that the U.S. has one of the worst health care DELIVERY systems in the
> > industrialized world. Even though it is near the top technologically,
> > there are many who cannot obtain the advantages of that
> > technology......
>
> Your pontification reeks of inconsistency. We are at the "top"
> technologically
> but we have the "worst" delivery????
>
> Wishful thinking on your part. Many wealthy European consider their
> "national"
> health care as the provider of last resort and those that can afford
> it seek private care. Many of the wealthiest come here and pay for the
> service.
>
> In most states state laws make it illegal for hospitals to refuse care
> for the indigents and uninsured. The unisured and poor still have
> access to the best health care system in the world. Many Europeans are
> in denial of this fact.
in the US people without health insurance are twice as likely to die of
breast cancer than those with it
Americans with insurance seem simply unaware of the fact that those
without are not entitled to care -- until they are so sick that it is an
emergency. You get care when your lungs are hemmorhaging -- but not
early care to diagnose and treat your TB. You get emergency care for
the stroke, but not early care to diagnose and treat high blood pressure.
etc etc etc And if you are uninsured, you are charged two or three
times as much for medical procedures that insurance companies have low
rates for with hospitals -- so a working person with modest assets is
easily drive into bankruptcy by even a fairly minor medical situation
requiring surgery or hospital treatment.
Dec 5th 2003 | 3:13 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Gregory Morrow writes:
>
> > Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
>
> Falling ill is a very common cause of bankruptcy in the U.S. And one
> need not fall gravely ill.
>
> My mother had a simple gall bladder operation, and the hospital charged
> her $40,000 for the procedure. Fortunately, she was smart, and demanded
> actual justification for the charges: signed doctors' orders, test
> results, etc. When she pressed for documentation, the hospital lowered
> the bill to _only_ $6500! So that's at least $33,500 in gravy that they
> fully expected to obtain. And a lot of people would simply have paid
> the bill, even if they had to sell everything they owned to do so.
> Other people would not have had the means to pay the bill, and would
> have spent the rest of their lives making payments.
and the insurance companies pay the much lower rate -- [although they
have routinely not acknowledged that when YOU are required to pay 20% of
the cost i.e. it was common for insurance companies to pay their 80%
based on the inflated bill presented to the uninsured -- sticking the
patient with over 50% of the actual cost.
e.g. in your case -- 20% would have been $8,000 -- so if the insurance
company actually paid $6500, you mother if insured might actually have
paid the entire cost.
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Gregory Morrow writes:
>
> > Don't think it *can't* happen to you - it *can*, in a flash!
>
> Falling ill is a very common cause of bankruptcy in the U.S. And one
> need not fall gravely ill.
>
> My mother had a simple gall bladder operation, and the hospital charged
> her $40,000 for the procedure. Fortunately, she was smart, and demanded
> actual justification for the charges: signed doctors' orders, test
> results, etc. When she pressed for documentation, the hospital lowered
> the bill to _only_ $6500! So that's at least $33,500 in gravy that they
> fully expected to obtain. And a lot of people would simply have paid
> the bill, even if they had to sell everything they owned to do so.
> Other people would not have had the means to pay the bill, and would
> have spent the rest of their lives making payments.
and the insurance companies pay the much lower rate -- [although they
have routinely not acknowledged that when YOU are required to pay 20% of
the cost i.e. it was common for insurance companies to pay their 80%
based on the inflated bill presented to the uninsured -- sticking the
patient with over 50% of the actual cost.
e.g. in your case -- 20% would have been $8,000 -- so if the insurance
company actually paid $6500, you mother if insured might actually have
paid the entire cost.
Dec 5th 2003 | 3:15 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jenn writes:
>
> > you could have taken elderly people to spend the day in an air
> > conditioned space so they wouldn't need to be hospitalized
>
> There aren't any air-conditioned spaces available. Additionally, just
> taking them out for a bit won't help; they must _live_ in a space with
> tolerable temperatures, and their normal living quarters didn't qualify.
>
> > I spent lots of time finding cool places in August in Paris -- there
> > were many relatively empty malls, museums etc which could have been used
> > for elderly people stuck in hot apartments if someone had recognized and
> > organized NO ONE is suggesting moving hospitalized patients there but
> > you.
>
> If they are not suffering from hyperthermia, they don't need special
> accommodations at all. You cannot move the entire elderly population
> into the malls, so you must only move those suffering from hyperthermia.
> But people suffering from hyperthermia require advanced medical care,
> not just a trip to the mall.
>
> > great 'can do' attitude of the French, eh -- when you have an emergency
> > that stretches over a couple of weeks, a sensible government gets such
> > equipment and allocates it to save lives ...
>
> I guess I'm not making myself clear: There was no equipment. It cannot
> be built in fifteen minutes if it doesn't already exist. There just
> wasn't that much air conditioning available, period, and it could not be
> instantly built for the occasion.
if only there were means in this world of ours to transport equipment
quickly from one place to another -- but alas
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jenn writes:
>
> > you could have taken elderly people to spend the day in an air
> > conditioned space so they wouldn't need to be hospitalized
>
> There aren't any air-conditioned spaces available. Additionally, just
> taking them out for a bit won't help; they must _live_ in a space with
> tolerable temperatures, and their normal living quarters didn't qualify.
>
> > I spent lots of time finding cool places in August in Paris -- there
> > were many relatively empty malls, museums etc which could have been used
> > for elderly people stuck in hot apartments if someone had recognized and
> > organized NO ONE is suggesting moving hospitalized patients there but
> > you.
>
> If they are not suffering from hyperthermia, they don't need special
> accommodations at all. You cannot move the entire elderly population
> into the malls, so you must only move those suffering from hyperthermia.
> But people suffering from hyperthermia require advanced medical care,
> not just a trip to the mall.
>
> > great 'can do' attitude of the French, eh -- when you have an emergency
> > that stretches over a couple of weeks, a sensible government gets such
> > equipment and allocates it to save lives ...
>
> I guess I'm not making myself clear: There was no equipment. It cannot
> be built in fifteen minutes if it doesn't already exist. There just
> wasn't that much air conditioning available, period, and it could not be
> instantly built for the occasion.
if only there were means in this world of ours to transport equipment
quickly from one place to another -- but alas
Dec 5th 2003 | 3:32 am
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Re: medical tratment in paris
Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Gregory Morrow writes:
>> >>
>> >> > Did your mother have insurance?
>> >>
>> >> No. She doesn't work, my father's plan didn't include her, and she was
>> >> too young for any kind of Medicare.
>> >
>> >But why didn't she have insurance ?
>> >
>> Come on, Jay! You asked one question which you should not have, and
>> got an answer. Mx's mother's personal circumstances are not our
>> business.
>Well, since she didn't work, how did she eat or put clothes on her back ?
I have no idea, and it's not my concern.
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>In article <[email protected]>,
> Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Gregory Morrow writes:
>> >>
>> >> > Did your mother have insurance?
>> >>
>> >> No. She doesn't work, my father's plan didn't include her, and she was
>> >> too young for any kind of Medicare.
>> >
>> >But why didn't she have insurance ?
>> >
>> Come on, Jay! You asked one question which you should not have, and
>> got an answer. Mx's mother's personal circumstances are not our
>> business.
>Well, since she didn't work, how did she eat or put clothes on her back ?
I have no idea, and it's not my concern.
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PB
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