In article <[email protected]>,
Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > In article <[email protected] >,
    > > [email protected] (PJ O'Donovan) wrote:
    > >
    > > > Jenn <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > > In article <[email protected] >,
    > > > > [email protected] (PJ O'Donovan) wrote:> >
    > > >
    > > > > > You are living in fantasy. Most wealth in the US is self made through
    > > > > > perfectly
    > > > > > honest means by working hard and working smart within the law.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I myself was born into poverty, the grandson of 3 Irish immigrants,
    > > > > > who became a millionaire by age 45 and retired to travel and manage my
    > > > > > investments by age 53. Didn't skim from anybody, went to college on
    > > > > > the GI bill after 3years in the Marine Corps, worked my ass off , paid
    > > > > > my taxes, put 3 kids through college and I am not alone. There are
    > > > > > millions here like me.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > I made mine by the sweat of my brow as well -- but I think you confuse
    > > > > what appears to be middle class success, like yours and mine with great
    > > > > wealth --
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > I will agree that in accordance some measures of "wealth" my "wealth"
    > > > could
    > > > be considered modest but it is enough for me, particularly considering
    > > > the confiscatory nature of estate taxes. Much of any additional
    > > > accumulation on my part would only serve to enrich the coffers of this
    > > > thing called govenment when I pass on to the great beyond.
    > > >
    > > > Current figures, however, indicate that households of net worth in xs
    > > > of $1,000,000.00 comprise approx 5% of all households, so the size of
    > > > this "great wealth" you choose to attack and denegrate is miniscule in
    > > > magnitude.
    > > >
    > > > Of course the mantra of the Socialist is to attack all wealth and
    > > > utopia will be reached when we are all poor together.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > estate taxes will of course not touch your modestly impressive pile of
    > > cash as it will not touch my similarly impressive pile of goodies
    > >
    > > you are not wealthy by Bush crony standards --
    > >
    > > the number of Americans who think there is a death tax is astonishing --
    > > I have heard people with pathetic estates of less than 100K whining
    > > about how the government will take it all -- the current estate tax
    > > exemption is over 600K rapidly rising to a million per person [it may
    > > already be at that point -- I have forgotten which year that kicks in]
    > > For a couple that means that 2 million will be exempt from estate taxes
    > > -- and of course NO estate tax applies to money that passes from one
    > > spouse to another.
    > >
    > > the death tax scam is just one more way that the people who increasingly
    > > own our country and our government make sure that their offspring will
    > > rule yours and mine
    >
    > You do know that a good % of the Black Congressional Caucus wants a
    > complete repeal of the death tax.

if so, then they are fools -- or have traded this support for some other
cause

or maybe their constituents have been gulled by the constant GOP PR
campaign to convince people of modest means that the government will
take their money when they die -- a knowing lie

In article <[email protected]>,
Jenn <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Go Fig <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > In article <[email protected]>,
    > > Jenn <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > In article <[email protected] >,
    > > > [email protected] (PJ O'Donovan) wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > Jenn <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > > > In article <[email protected] >,
    > > > > > [email protected] (PJ O'Donovan) wrote:> >
    > > > >
    > > > > > > You are living in fantasy. Most wealth in the US is self made
    > > > > > > through
    > > > > > > perfectly
    > > > > > > honest means by working hard and working smart within the law.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > I myself was born into poverty, the grandson of 3 Irish
    > > > > > > immigrants,
    > > > > > > who became a millionaire by age 45 and retired to travel and manage
    > > > > > > my
    > > > > > > investments by age 53. Didn't skim from anybody, went to college on
    > > > > > > the GI bill after 3years in the Marine Corps, worked my ass off ,
    > > > > > > paid
    > > > > > > my taxes, put 3 kids through college and I am not alone. There are
    > > > > > > millions here like me.
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > I made mine by the sweat of my brow as well -- but I think you
    > > > > > confuse
    > > > > > what appears to be middle class success, like yours and mine with
    > > > > > great
    > > > > > wealth --
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > I will agree that in accordance some measures of "wealth" my "wealth"
    > > > > could
    > > > > be considered modest but it is enough for me, particularly considering
    > > > > the confiscatory nature of estate taxes. Much of any additional
    > > > > accumulation on my part would only serve to enrich the coffers of this
    > > > > thing called govenment when I pass on to the great beyond.
    > > > >
    > > > > Current figures, however, indicate that households of net worth in xs
    > > > > of $1,000,000.00 comprise approx 5% of all households, so the size of
    > > > > this "great wealth" you choose to attack and denegrate is miniscule in
    > > > > magnitude.
    > > > >
    > > > > Of course the mantra of the Socialist is to attack all wealth and
    > > > > utopia will be reached when we are all poor together.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > estate taxes will of course not touch your modestly impressive pile of
    > > > cash as it will not touch my similarly impressive pile of goodies
    > > >
    > > > you are not wealthy by Bush crony standards --
    > > >
    > > > the number of Americans who think there is a death tax is astonishing --
    > > > I have heard people with pathetic estates of less than 100K whining
    > > > about how the government will take it all -- the current estate tax
    > > > exemption is over 600K rapidly rising to a million per person [it may
    > > > already be at that point -- I have forgotten which year that kicks in]
    > > > For a couple that means that 2 million will be exempt from estate taxes
    > > > -- and of course NO estate tax applies to money that passes from one
    > > > spouse to another.
    > > >
    > > > the death tax scam is just one more way that the people who increasingly
    > > > own our country and our government make sure that their offspring will
    > > > rule yours and mine
    > >
    > > You do know that a good % of the Black Congressional Caucus wants a
    > > complete repeal of the death tax.
    >
    > if so, then they are fools -- or have traded this support for some other
    > cause
    >
    > or maybe their constituents have been gulled by the constant GOP PR
    > campaign to convince people of modest means that the government will
    > take their money when they die -- a knowing lie

You do know that the majority of Blacks are middle class?

Do you think that the U.S. Gov. was created to redistribute wealth ?

jay
Thu, Dec 11, 2003
mailto:[email protected]

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Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

Jenn writes:

    > > You do know that a good % of the Black Congressional Caucus wants a
    > > complete repeal of the death tax.
    >
    > if so, then they are fools -- or have traded this support for some other
    > cause

Or all the members have assets worth more than the $600K exemption.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Jenn writes:
    >
    > > > You do know that a good % of the Black Congressional Caucus wants a
    > > > complete repeal of the death tax.
    > >
    > > if so, then they are fools -- or have traded this support for some other
    > > cause
    >
    > Or all the members have assets worth more than the $600K exemption.

soon to be a million [two if you count the couple]

On 11 Dec 2003 03:10:12 -0800, [email protected] (PJ O'Donovan) wrote:

    >Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >> On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:05:39 +0100, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Keith Anderson writes:
    >> >
    >> >> Wonder how long we'll have to wait before the poor get a handle on
    >> >> what's being done to them?
    >> >
    >> >Possibly forever. Contrary to what people like Marx may have believed,
    >> >in real life, the lowest classes of society generally have no durable
    >> >tendency to rebel. Those who are in the lowest classes and have that
    >> >ambition typically just percolate into the upper classes. The only time
    >> >a real revolution occurs is when the most competent and ambitious people
    >> >in the lower classes are _prevented_ from moving upwards, i.e., when
    >> >there is no individual social mobility.
    >>
    >> Aha! The Mixist-Leninist perspective.
    >The quickest way to destroy upward economic mobility is through the
    >ever increasing confiscatory, progressive taxations advanced by
    >Liberal/ Socialists
    >here under the guise of "making the rich pay their fair share" for
    >consumption of the gullible among us.
    >As taxes increase achievers are penalized to subsidize under achievers
    >until
    >no one has the incentive to achieve.

On the other hand, if many avenues for "achievement" are blocked off
and poverty/inequality increase and the poor have little or no hope
whilst they watch the wealth of the rich increase, then they're
probably going to do something about it. That's where the barrel of
the gun scenario comes into play.

.

Jenn <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > In article <[email protected] >,
    > [email protected] (PJ O'Donovan) wrote:
    > > > Of course the mantra of the Socialist is to attack all wealth and
    > > utopia will be reached when we are all poor together.
    >
    >
    >
    > estate taxes will of course not touch your modestly impressive pile of
    > cash as it will not touch my similarly impressive pile of goodies
    >
    > you are not wealthy by Bush crony standards --
    >
And even less wealthy by Kennedy crony standards.

But, As I said before any Democrat wealth is sainted but the lesser
Republican wealth is tainted according to the Marxist/Socialist
Koran.

    > the number of Americans who think there is a death tax is astonishing --
    > I have heard people with pathetic estates of less than 100K whining
    > about how the government will take it all -- the current estate tax
    > exemption is over 600K rapidly rising to a million per person [it may
    > already be at that point -- I have forgotten which year that kicks in]
    > For a couple that means that 2 million will be exempt from estate taxes
    > -- and of course NO estate tax applies to money that passes from one
    > spouse to another.
    >

A temporary situation in force until you and your fellow Socialists
here pretending to be "Democrats" demagogue the issue to the gullible
and reclaim political power one way or another. You also conveniently
ignore the cleaver of
state inheritance taxes that contributes to the confiscation of
individual wealth.

    > the death tax scam is just one more way that the people who increasingly
    > own our country and our government make sure that their offspring will
    > rule yours and mine

The essence of Marxism. Individuals are not entitled to wealth. It all
belongs
to the benevolent state.

Give the Marxist/ "Democrats" a little more time and they will be
confiscating
more family farms and small businesses again.

Ask not what yor country can do for you but what you can do for your
country.
JFK

    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >> You do know that the majority of Blacks are middle class?
    >
Or better- but don't try to confuse a Socialist with facts they will
just be branded as "lies".

The mantra of the Socialist whine cellar will be that Blacks are over-
represented in those below the poverty level even though there are
more poor white people than poor blacks.

And the he fact that black entertainers and sports figures are also
over- represented in the "super-rich" is not relevant to the mentality
of the Marxist wealth redistributionists and their unworkable dogma
advanced by "Democrats".

    > Do you think that the U.S. Gov. was created to redistribute wealth ?
    >


As I wrote earlier:

<<Of course the mantra of the Socialist is to attack all wealth and
utopia will be reached when we are all poor together.>>

[email protected] (PJ O'Donovan) wrote:

    >> > > >> You do know that the majority of Blacks are middle class?
    >>
    >Or better- but don't try to confuse a Socialist with facts they will
    >just be branded as "lies".
    >The mantra of the Socialist whine cellar will be that Blacks are over-
    >represented in those below the poverty level even though there are
    >more poor white people than poor blacks.
    >And the he fact that black entertainers and sports figures are also
    >over- represented in the "super-rich" is not relevant to the mentality
    >of the Marxist wealth redistributionists and their unworkable dogma
    >advanced by "Democrats".
    >> Do you think that the U.S. Gov. was created to redistribute wealth ?
    >>
    >As I wrote earlier:
    ><<Of course the mantra of the Socialist is to attack all wealth and
    > utopia will be reached when we are all poor together.>>

Clearly you know nothing about socialism, so I suggest that you desist
from pretending to represent what a socialist might think or say or
do.

--
PB
The return address has been MUNGED

"PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >> You do know that the majority of Blacks
are middle class?
    > >
    > Or better- but don't try to confuse a Socialist
with facts they will
    > just be branded as "lies".
    > The mantra of the Socialist whine cellar will be
that Blacks are over-
    > represented in those below the poverty level
even though there are
    > more poor white people than poor blacks.

You know, I'm sick to death of your bullshit, PJ.

PLONK.

Tom Bellhouse
Alto, GA, USA