"Magda" <magda@eu> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:06:16 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "William Black"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> ...
> ... "Magda" <magda@eu> wrote in message
> ... news:[email protected]...
> ... > On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:38:08 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "William
> Black"
> ... > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they
> looked like
> ... > this:
> ... >
> ... > ... > I know enough to never go there. Thank you, guys.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... You should.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... It's endlessly fascinating, endlessly terrifying, endlessly
> ... > entertaining
> ... > ... and the weather is digital, it's either wonderful or hostile
> and the
> ... > people
> ... > ... are marvelous.
> ... >
> ... > Marvelous people don't maim their children so they can beg more
> ... > "efficiently".
> ... >
> ... Never seen that.
> ...
> ... Where does it happen?
> ...
> ... Begging is an industry in India, but the kids aren't usually
> disfigured,
> ... cute pays better than maimed...
>
> Let's hope maiming them is passé. Any idea how many amputés you have seen
> there?
>

Plenty.

Mostly mature men who were not begging...

There are any number of NGOs there busy 'rehabilitating' the disabled and
getting them jobs.

There are a few disfigured beggars, but very few. Most of the beggars I
have seen are young women and children who congregate at places where
foreigners can be found or in areas where festivals are taking place as
giving alms is considered a blessing at such events.

You see very few in the areas where there are mainly locals either living or
working.

There is believed to be a begging population in Bombay of about 100,000.

However that include a lot of itinerants who haven't yet got a job and a lot
of child labour that isn't at school and isn't registered either.

Child labour is another issue that isn't as simple as it seems.

When a child has a choice between slow starvation in a village because their
father is dead and their mother can't afford to feed them or going to Bombay
and working then you don't actually have a choice...

Well they do. Large numbers of these children go to Goa and beg from
foreign tourists.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"grusl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news%[email protected]...
>>
>> We have wireless ADSL for our laptops in India so when the power dies
>> they die.
>
> The connection breaks but we can still re-connect.
>>
>> Bombay power cuts are usually due to faults and only happen about once a
>> month per area and only for a couple of hours so the inverter is only for
>> the fans and the fridge as I said.
>>
>
> It will get worse before it gets better.

I'm sure it will.

But...

Bombay produces 38% of India's GNP and about 50% of the taxation raised in
the whole country.

The big buildings in Nariman Point, Fort and Colaba don't have generators
and the foreign companies and big Indian conglomerates/monopolies all have
their head offices there.

India has a vast, complex and inefficient public-service set-up that eats
money and does very little but get in the way of people, and Bombay pays
for most of it... The city authorities complain constantly that the city's
inhabitants give huge amounts of money to The Centre and get very little
back...

The Indian government can't afford to let Bombay island have routine regular
daily load-shedding.

If they did the next thing they'd hear would be the whooshing sound of all
the money leaving the country...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Magda" <magda@eu> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:54:57 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "William Black"
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> ...
> ... "Sarah Banick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> ... news:[email protected]. ..
> ... >
> ... > "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> ... > news:[email protected]...
> ... >>
> ... >> "Tim C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > ... >> The food people eat in India often isn't as chilli ridden as the
> > stuff we
> ... >> get here. I like food hotter (the Indians say 'pungent') than my
> wife.
> ... >>
> ... >> The kids eat the same food...
> ... >>
> ... >
> ... > They are born with a tolerance for chiles -- you think mom stops
> eating it
> ... > while she's pregnant/nursing?
> ... >
> ... > Sarah, a card-carrying chile-head
> ...
> ... I didn't think you could inherit that.
> ...
> ... You know, 'inheritance of learned characteristics' and all that.
>
> No, but the taste/smell may be somehow familiar for them.
>

C'mon folks, it's got nothing to do with inheriting it. What goes in is what
comes out. Okay, that may be a slight exaggeration, but this has been
discussed occasionally on the chile-head listserve. Mothers swear their
children learn to love spicy food earlier if the mom eats spicy food during
nursing. The western world now seems to believe that pregnant women have to
stay away from all kinds of things. But many women around the world don't
have that luxury. In fact, many societies got accustomed to spicy food
because of it's preservative effects, particularly in hot climates.

Here's a few links if you don't believe me.

http://www.breastfeeding123.com/does...rs-milk-spicy/
I fact, spices in a mother's food do flavor the breast milk. Does that mean
that nursing mothers should avoid garlic and spicy foods in favor of a bland
diet? Absolutely not! The varied flavors of the milk may actually help
breastfed children learn to enjoy a greater variety of table foods once they
begin eating solids. In observation of my own two nurslings, I've found that
to be true.

http://www.nursingmoms.net/Default.aspx?tabidA3

Spicy foods, onions, and garlic do flavor mothers' milk. Research has been
done on
what babies taste and smell at the Monell Institute, right here in
Philadelphia!
Do you think that flavoring the milk is a bad thing? Perhaps we should feel
sorry
for the poor formula-fed baby who is deprived of the variety of flavors that
his
breastfed buddies enjoy! The milk will be flavored by the spices in mom's
food,
but it will not be hot! No need to offer baby water to drink after mom's
chicken curry.


http://www.babycenter.in/baby/breast...icyfoodexpert/
Yes. The Food Standards Agency says that it's fine to eat spicy or hot food
whilst pregnant or nursing, as long as you feel OK while you're eating it.
And although a tiny fraction of what you ingest does go into your milk
supply, it's unlikely that eating spicy food will affect your baby.

Eating garlic may even be beneficial to breastfeeding. Two studies have
shown that the infants of mothers who eat garlic tend to feed for a longer
time, and many babies seem to prefer a variety of flavour in breastmilk.

Go by trial and error. If you suffer from heartburn after you've eaten a
fiery curry, or your baby seems upset or irritable, then opt for a milder
diet until she's slightly older.

Women from parts of the world where spicy dishes are the cultural norm don't
make big changes to their diet when they become pregnant or are nursing. The
key is to stick to a healthy, varied diet, and avoid foods that make you
feel uncomfortable.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:18:09 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:16:33 -0400, pltrgyst <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>Has anyone been to Roussillon lately? How is their food holding up?
>
>Languedoc?

No, the one-star in London.

-- Larry

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:54:39 GMT,
"William Black" <[email protected]> has scripted:

>
>"Tim C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> Following up to "William Black" <[email protected]> :
>>
>> Slightly related...
>>
>> What do young Indian children eat? Do they have the chili reduced, or do
>> they eat the "industrial strength" that adults eat? Or do they just eat
>> the
>> really mild dishes? Rice, bread?
>> Any idea?
>
>Indian food is regional. Goan food is much 'hotter' than East Indian
>(Bombay style) food.
>
>The food people eat in India often isn't as chilli ridden as the stuff we
>get here. I like food hotter (the Indians say 'pungent') than my wife.

It's a drug.

I love eat napalm strength, pile scorching curries for the spice rush,
but it's important to eat some joghurt afterwards.
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Make credence recognised that on Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:18:10 +0200, Tim
C. <[email protected]> has scripted:

>Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
>
>>On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:49:06 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Following up to Martin <[email protected]> :
>>>
>>>>Don't give them alcohol free beer it rots their teeth and gives them an
>>>>addiction to sugar. Give them the real thing.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>They love ginger beer, though I can only get it in one shop here - /the/
>>>Indian grocers.
>>
>>We used to make our own from "a ginger beer" plant when I was kid.
>>
>>Maybe something to ask about on urg?
>
>We did too. Nobody here has a ginger beer plant, of course.

Lidl is a great source of ginger here, not that I could be stuffed
making the beer. Pity, coz I miss it.

In Oz, I remember one called Bundaberg that had a real biting taste to
it. Wonderful.

Barely exists in Italy. (
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Make credence recognised that on Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:33:38 +0200,
Martin <[email protected]> has scripted:

>On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:16:45 +0200, Tim C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Following up to "William Black" <[email protected]> :
>>
>>>People use inverters to keep the fridge and the fans on when the power goes.
>>
>>what's an inverter?
>
>car battery to mains converter.

Well, any DC to AC converter really, but of course car batteries are
an obvious DC source. They are relatively expensive, as it's not easy,
or efficient to convert from DC to AC. The other way is far easier,
and that probably why electricity arrives at your wall in AC form.
--
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On Apr 27, 7:25 pm, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Magda" <magda@eu> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:06:16 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "William Black"
> > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> > this:
>
> > ...
> > ... "Magda" <magda@eu> wrote in message
> > ...news:[email protected] ...
> > ... > On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:38:08 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "William
> > Black"
> > ... > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they
> > looked like
> > ... > this:
> > ... >
> > ... > ... > I know enough to never go there. Thank you, guys.
> > ... > ...
> > ... > ... You should.
> > ... > ...
> > ... > ... It's endlessly fascinating, endlessly terrifying, endlessly
> > ... > entertaining
> > ... > ... and the weather is digital, it's either wonderful or hostile
> > and the
> > ... > people
> > ... > ... are marvelous.
> > ... >
> > ... > Marvelous people don't maim their children so they can beg more
> > ... > "efficiently".
> > ... >
> > ... Never seen that.
> > ...
> > ... Where does it happen?
> > ...
> > ... Begging is an industry in India, but the kids aren't usually
> > disfigured,
> > ... cute pays better than maimed...
>
> > Let's hope maiming them is passé. Any idea how many amputés you have seen
> > there?
>
> Plenty.
>
> Mostly mature men who were not begging...
>
> There are any number of NGOs there busy 'rehabilitating' the disabled and
> getting them jobs.
>
> There are a few disfigured beggars, but very few. Most of the beggars I
> have seen are young women and children who congregate at places where
> foreigners can be found or in areas where festivals are taking place as
> giving alms is considered a blessing at such events.
>
> You see very few in the areas where there are mainly locals either living or
> working.
>
> There is believed to be a begging population in Bombay of about 100,000.
>
> However that include a lot of itinerants who haven't yet got a job and a lot
> of child labour that isn't at school and isn't registered either.
>
> Child labour is another issue that isn't as simple as it seems.
>
> When a child has a choice between slow starvation in a village because their
> father is dead and their mother can't afford to feed them or going to Bombay
> and working then you don't actually have a choice...
>
> Well they do. Large numbers of these children go to Goa and beg from
> foreign tourists.
>
> --
> William Black
>
> I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
> Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
> I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
> All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
> Time for tea.

and dont forget the sex tourists......more bang for your buck in India

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:49:45 GMT, "William Black"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:52:18 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Yes, but I think people were saying UK standard fare hasn't altered
>>>much over the years.
>>
>> in addition to what I already said you have the impact of immigration,
>> we have adopted all that curry and stuff! Polish restros next?
>
>Well there was a Polish restaurant where I grew up and there was a huge
>Polish community in the UK after WWII.

There's a pretty large one now. There's a few specialist Polish shops
near me, and the supermarkets stock stuff, there's a polish cafe in my
town too, although I can't think of any restaurants.

Cheers,

Jim.

"Chiken Koma" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...

> and dont forget the sex tourists......more bang for your buck in India

You have the advantage of me sir.

Perhaps you'd like to expand on your statement...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Make credence recognised that on Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:46:32 GMT,
"William Black" <[email protected]> has scripted:

>
>"Chiken Koma" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] oups.com...
>
>> and dont forget the sex tourists......more bang for your buck in India
>
>You have the advantage of me sir.
>
>Perhaps you'd like to expand on your statement...

He meant bang me for a buck, then I'll get it India.
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Make credence recognised that on Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:28:15 GMT,
[email protected] (Jim Ley) has scripted:

>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:49:45 GMT, "William Black"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:52:18 -0400, Viking <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yes, but I think people were saying UK standard fare hasn't altered
>>>>much over the years.
>>>
>>> in addition to what I already said you have the impact of immigration,
>>> we have adopted all that curry and stuff! Polish restros next?
>>
>>Well there was a Polish restaurant where I grew up and there was a huge
>>Polish community in the UK after WWII.
>
>There's a pretty large one now. There's a few specialist Polish shops
>near me, and the supermarkets stock stuff, there's a polish cafe in my
>town too, although I can't think of any restaurants.

A few years back there was a Polish restaurant on Fulham Palace Rd
called Spitfire which was always empty. I went there with some friends
once, and ate poorly for a fair price.

I wonder if it's still there.
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In article <1hx35e0.1c99hmr5lpkipN%[email protected]>,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

> Viking <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:30:57 +0100, "Ian F."
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > From the article:
> >
> > >"A decade ago, if you had presented a list of the UK having seven
> > >restaurants in the top 50, people would have laughed. But we have become
> > >very good at being multi-cultural."
> >
> > Note the slur on British food.
>
> That's not a surprise. While you can get terrific local cuisine, the UK
> has never had the food culture that some other countries have. What has
> made UK food a lot better in recent years has been the absorption and
> modification of other cuisines, and much more thought given to the
> quality of ingredients.

How about all the money in London?

Also seems like there's been an influx of rich foreigners. Not just the
usual Arabs but Russians and Indians. Also supposedly other Western
Europeans escaping higher taxes back home.

"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> The Indian government can't afford to let Bombay island have routine
> regular daily load-shedding.
>
> If they did the next thing they'd hear would be the whooshing sound of all
> the money leaving the country...
>

Unfortunately, you can hear that sound in Bangalore already; a lot of new
development is on hold because of the infrastructure crisis. I don't want
that to happen in Bombay, too. I'd like to have your faith in the governance
system but, frankly, I don't.

Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore

"Sarah Banick" <[email protected]> wrote

> C'mon folks, it's got nothing to do with inheriting it. What goes in is
> what comes out. Okay, that may be a slight exaggeration, but this has been
> discussed occasionally on the chile-head listserve. Mothers swear their
> children learn to love spicy food earlier if the mom eats spicy food
> during nursing. The western world now seems to believe that pregnant women
> have to stay away from all kinds of things. But many women around the
> world don't have that luxury. In fact, many societies got accustomed to
> spicy food because of it's preservative effects, particularly in hot
> climates.
>

Unscientific poll of one: the supermodel next door says she cut right back
on hot food while pregnant/nursing.

Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore