On Aug 20, 2:32 pm, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >>He also recommends you buying batteries when you need them, which does
> >>rather seem to indicate that he doesn't get off the beaten track much...
>
> > Depends what kind of batteries you need... AA cells and 9V batteries
> > are available just about anywhere.
>
> Not outside tourist areas in the Third World.


Packing for travel to remote regions of the Third World requires real
thought. Packing for travel to European cities doesn't.

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> On Aug 20, 2:32 pm, "William Black" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> "Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> >>He also recommends you buying batteries when you need them, which does
>> >>rather seem to indicate that he doesn't get off the beaten track
>> >>much...
>>
>> > Depends what kind of batteries you need... AA cells and 9V batteries
>> > are available just about anywhere.
>>
>> Not outside tourist areas in the Third World.
>
>
> Packing for travel to remote regions of the Third World requires real
> thought. Packing for travel to European cities doesn't.
>

There's very little you can't buy in most European cities.

You can just leave everything at home and take a shed load of cash and a
bundle of gold credit cards.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

In article <[email protected]>,
"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote:

> He's also never been to the tropics.
>
> You're 20oz Levies are way too warm...

re jeans: ever try to hand wash them ans get them dry? takes about 3
days. . .

--
Mary, biblioholic

bib-li-o-hol-ism : the habitual longing to purchase, read, store,
admire, and consume books in excess.

http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

In article <[email protected] >,
Markku Grönroos <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
> viestissÀ:nl3jc3pki22123egcss1f7vrbitem9vb0v@4 ax.com...
> >
> > I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
> > stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not having a
> > mobile phone seems silly.
> >
> Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need one.

Mine's no good outside the US anyway 8-)

--
Mary, biblioholic

bib-li-o-hol-ism : the habitual longing to purchase, read, store,
admire, and consume books in excess.

http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

In article <[email protected]>,
"Ian Burton" <[email protected]> wrote:

> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] oups.com...
> > http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/packlight.html
>
> There are tips here that I couldn't follow in a million years, but to each
> his own.
>
> One paragraph that turned my stomach is below. I find no pleasure in
> tearing up books. Next kommt the burning!

That's silly: I scan pages from travel books and take copies. If I
REALLY need local info, many hotels have some and there's usually a
tourist office around if you're planning on being wherever for a couple
days. For less, you don't need it.

--
Mary, biblioholic

bib-li-o-hol-ism : the habitual longing to purchase, read, store,
admire, and consume books in excess.

http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

In article <[email protected]>,
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:

> [email protected] wrote:
> >> I find no pleasure in tearing up books.
> >
> > I feel the same way, but it's a lot easier to carry only the pages
> > you
> > need. And guide books are kind of disposable items anyway, since
> > the
> > info becomes dated.
> >
> >
> >> A better idea is to copy just the pages that one wants
> >
> > That's a good alternative, especially if you only need a few pages.
>
> But be careful with that--copy paper is generally a heavier grade than
> what travel books are printed on and it's easy for the copies to build
> up to as much weight as the book. Copies aren't free either. Might
> turn out to be cheaper to just get two copies of the book, one to cut
> up and one to keep.

Not if you copy only the parts you want and do it at home. Doesn't BEGIN
to weigh what any book does.

--
Mary, biblioholic

bib-li-o-hol-ism : the habitual longing to purchase, read, store,
admire, and consume books in excess.

http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:29:24 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, erilar
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... In article <[email protected]>,
... "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... > [email protected] wrote:
... > >> I find no pleasure in tearing up books.
... > >
... > > I feel the same way, but it's a lot easier to carry only the pages
... > > you
... > > need. And guide books are kind of disposable items anyway, since
... > > the
... > > info becomes dated.
... > >
... > >
... > >> A better idea is to copy just the pages that one wants
... > >
... > > That's a good alternative, especially if you only need a few pages.
... >
... > But be careful with that--copy paper is generally a heavier grade than
... > what travel books are printed on and it's easy for the copies to build
... > up to as much weight as the book. Copies aren't free either. Might
... > turn out to be cheaper to just get two copies of the book, one to cut
... > up and one to keep.
...
... Not if you copy only the parts you want and do it at home. Doesn't BEGIN
... to weigh what any book does.

I gather the information I need, print it and throw the pages in the bin right before I
take the plane/train home.

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, the renowned Markku Grönroos
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>viestissä:nl3jc3pki22123egcss1f7vrbitem9vb0v@4ax .com...
>>
>> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
>> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not having a
>> mobile phone seems silly.
>>
>Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need one.

You never visit anyone when you're on holiday?
You don't have anyone depending on you back home?
You don't need to make reservations at a restaurant when you're
travelling?
You don't ever trip a credit card security flag and have to call?

Any single one of those makes carrying a modern GSM phone well worth
it, assuming you're mostly travelling where they will work.

Of course if your holiday consists of travelling to a set location or
two and staying in a fixed hotel, a cell phone may be a needless
luxury, particularly if you don't have a demanding job, but in that
case, the extra weight is of little consequence.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote:
> There's very little you can't buy in most European cities.
> You can just leave everything at home and take a shed
> load of cash and a bundle of gold credit cards.

... and much of what you can buy in abroad will have more
cachet than what you have in your closet, anyway.

Any ideas (for my wife) on how to pack for these limits:
US-Europe... 23kg (50lbs) ea. (2 allowed);
Inside Europe... a total of 20 kg (44 lbs); and
Inside Greece... a total of 15lkg. (33lbs.)....
plus a carry-on.
I said, pack for the least weight allowed, which went
over like a lead-balloon. =R

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:41:34 -0000, [email protected]
wrote:

>> A better idea is to copy just the pages that one wants
>
>That's a good alternative, especially if you only need a few pages.
>
>James

It seems a little wrong to chop down an extra forest rather
than just cut out and carry the bits I want. To each their
own.


Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:24:27 -0700, [email protected]
wrote:

>
>> If I was in shape to ride a bicycle all over the place
>> I'd just ride the damned bicycle and not bother with
>> the public transportation.
>
>Nice in theory but not always practical, due to big distances between
>cities, mountain ranges, urban areas with heavy traffic, etc.
>
>James

I did 11000km through Europe in 9 weeks by car on the 2003
trip; I might have lasted the first 1000 on a bike but I
suspect my wife would have quit at the 500 mark if she had
started at all:-)

The ride from Brisbane to Singapore would have been fun.
Pedalo?


Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest

erilar wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> I find no pleasure in tearing up books.
>>>
>>> I feel the same way, but it's a lot easier to carry only the pages
>>> you
>>> need. And guide books are kind of disposable items anyway, since
>>> the
>>> info becomes dated.
>>>
>>>
>>>> A better idea is to copy just the pages that one wants
>>>
>>> That's a good alternative, especially if you only need a few
>>> pages.
>>
>> But be careful with that--copy paper is generally a heavier grade
>> than what travel books are printed on and it's easy for the copies
>> to build up to as much weight as the book. Copies aren't free
>> either. Might turn out to be cheaper to just get two copies of the
>> book, one to cut up and one to keep.
>
> Not if you copy only the parts you want and do it at home. Doesn't
> BEGIN to weigh what any book does.

Copies at home aren't free either and if you're using an inkjet
all-in-one they run when they get wet too.

As to the weight, that depends on how much of the book you need. If
you're going to one town for a few days maybe.

--
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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:24:56 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "Rog'"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:


... Any ideas (for my wife) on how to pack for these limits:
... US-Europe... 23kg (50lbs) ea. (2 allowed);
... Inside Europe... a total of 20 kg (44 lbs); and
... Inside Greece... a total of 15lkg. (33lbs.)....
... plus a carry-on.
... I said, pack for the least weight allowed, which went
... over like a lead-balloon. =R
Let her pack as much as she wants and cope *all alone* with the consequences (carry the
load herself, pay the penalties from her pocket, etc.). It will teach her a lesson in
common sense.

Alan S wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:24:27 -0700, [email protected]
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> If I was in shape to ride a bicycle all over the place
>>> I'd just ride the damned bicycle and not bother with
>>> the public transportation.
>>
>> Nice in theory but not always practical, due to big distances
>> between
>> cities, mountain ranges, urban areas with heavy traffic, etc.
>>
>> James
>
> I did 11000km through Europe in 9 weeks by car on the 2003
> trip; I might have lasted the first 1000 on a bike but I
> suspect my wife would have quit at the 500 mark if she had
> started at all:-)
>
> The ride from Brisbane to Singapore would have been fun.
> Pedalo?

Did you carry a bike or just drive the car where you needed to go?


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--John
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:03:09 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Alan S wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:24:27 -0700, [email protected]
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> If I was in shape to ride a bicycle all over the place
>>>> I'd just ride the damned bicycle and not bother with
>>>> the public transportation.
>>>
>>> Nice in theory but not always practical, due to big distances
>>> between
>>> cities, mountain ranges, urban areas with heavy traffic, etc.
>>>
>>> James
>>
>> I did 11000km through Europe in 9 weeks by car on the 2003
>> trip; I might have lasted the first 1000 on a bike but I
>> suspect my wife would have quit at the 500 mark if she had
>> started at all:-)
>>
>> The ride from Brisbane to Singapore would have been fun.
>> Pedalo?
>
>Did you carry a bike or just drive the car where you needed to go?
>

I drove various cars through much of Europe, UK, Eire, USA,
New Zealand, Fiji; the response about bikes was not meant
dead seriously:-)

There is no way I could have covered the distances I did on
a bike, even if I was a damn sight fitter and stronger than
I am. Nothing wrong with bikes - I just wanted to see and
visit more in my timeframe.

For major cities we left the car at the hotel and used
public transport; most major cities we visited have
excellent systems for all-day tickets if you investigate on
arrival. For smaller towns we walked or drove as
appropriate.


Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest