J. Clarke

Markku Gr�nroos wrote:
> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
> viestiss�:[email protected] om...
>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, Markku Gr�nroos
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>>> viestiss�:[email protected] om...
>>>>
>>>> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
>>>> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not
>>>> having
>>>> a mobile phone seems silly.
>>>>
>>> Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need
>>> one.
>>
>> I find a phone to keep in touch with people even more useful when
>> I'm
>> traveling than it is at home. It also serves as a camera, an alarm
>> clock, a GPS, and a way to check my emails. Something so compact
>> that
>> does all that and only weighs around 100g easily justifies being
>> taken along on any trips I make.
>>
> Fortunately I don't have to be available for other people at work by
> phone. Actually I seldom carry a phone when I am out of home. When I
> am back I just check the calls. If wandering in wilderness, a phone
> may be a good piece in security terms, but on the other hand I have
> never went deep in to wild vistas all my own.

If you're going "deep in to wild vistas" the cell phone usually won't
work anyway. Taking a day hike in Connecticut it's nice to have in
case you slip and break your leg, but coverage when you're away from
areas of high population density starts to get spotty.

Even driving the Trans-Labrador Highway you won't have cell
coverage--for one segment of if the Canadian government will loan you
a 911-only satphone at no charge.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

-Rog

"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "sharx35" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Those guys who are saddled with "high maintenance" wives,
>> take note.
> Define 'high maintenance' in this case please.

Try lugging a 50lb. pullman up three flights of narrow stairs in
a B&B in Bath, and you might have an idea of what it means,
in this case. The phrase "heavy luggage" wife doesn't sound
as classy. As much as I hate to admit it, Magda's comment
about potential hernias hit close to home. :-/

Sharx35

"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "sharx35" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:fLyyi.87$Pd4.76@edtnps82...
>
>> Those guys who are saddled with "high maintenance" wives, take note.
>>
>>
>
> Define 'high maintenance' in this case please.

In a nutshell? Demanding entitlement bitches who think that their butt is
made out of gold.

>
> --
> William Black
>
>
> I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
> Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
> I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
> All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
> Time for tea.
>
>
>
>

Sharx35

"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>
>> I have arranged my travels so that there is little need to be instantly
>> available. When I want to be in touch to outside world I lease a computer
>> for a moment to send and receive mail. Sometimes it can be beneficial to
>> book for mass transportation in advance by phone but I leave this to the
>> hotel personnel. That's why they are there in the first place (typically
>> the language barrier hinders me to contact the agent anyways).
>
> Why do you restrict yourself to environments where you don't need a phone.
>
> Mine is mainly used as an alarm clock when I'm on holiday, and a means of
> contacting my wife if we separated somewhere we're unfamiliar with.
>
> --
> William Black

So, how exactly did you manage to survive BEFORE this great invention?



>
>
> I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
> Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
> I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
> All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
> Time for tea.
>
>
>
>

Sharx35

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Chris Blunt wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:26:47 GMT, "sharx35" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, Markku Grönroos
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>>>>> viestissÀ:nl3jc3pki22123egcss1f7vrbitem9vb0v@4ax. com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
>>>>>> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not
>>>>>> having a mobile phone seems silly.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need
>>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> I find a phone to keep in touch with people even more useful when
>>>> I'm traveling than it is at home. It also serves as a camera, an
>>>> alarm clock, a GPS, and a way to check my emails. Something so
>>>> compact that does all that and only weighs around 100g easily
>>>> justifies being taken along on any trips I make.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>
>>> They take lousy quality pictures.
>>
>> In fact I think the 5 megapixel camera on my Nokia N95 takes better
>> pictures than my Canon IXUS which I bought only a couple of years
>> ago.
>> It may not be a professional quality camera, I don't think anyone
>> would describe the quality as lousy.
>>
>>> No, you do NOT need GPS unless you are,
>>> perhaps, on safari and surely the OPERATORS of the safari will take
>>> care of THAT need.
>>
>> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have
>> while
>> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it
>> made
>> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>>
>>> E-mails can be checked at any one of the MILLIONS of cyber cafes
>>> in the world.
>>
>> Of course, and that's probably what I'd do if I wanted to do any
>> serious work online. The advantage for me is being able to check
>> instantly from anywhere whether there's any email that needs
>> attending
>> to in the first place, without even having to go near an internet
>> cafe.
>
> Personally I've never gotten an email that _needed_ checking. If
> someone really wants to get hold of me they can call and if they want
> to get hold of me when I'm on vacation they can bloody well leave a
> message and wait until I get home.
>
> The cell phone is for _my_ convenience, not for the convenience of
> others. While I always carry it, unless I'm using it or expecting a
> call from someone I want to talk to, it's turned off.
>

Well, if I ever DO get one, that will be my attitude, too. It will usually
be turned OFF, unless I am calling out or expecting an urgent call.

> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>
>

Sharx35

"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "sharx35" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> . No, you do NOT need GPS unless you are, perhaps, on safari
>
> Or on a walking holiday somewhere...
>
>> E-mails can be checked at any one of the MILLIONS of cyber cafes in the
>> world.
>
> Cyber cafes are disappearing fast in Europe. Everyone has a computer,
> wireless access is available in many town centres, and even in some rural
> areas. I don't think there's a cyber cafe within forty miles of where I
> live these days, there used to be half a dozen, but I can get free
> wireless access down at my local pub..

Yet ANOTHER reason for dropping in at the pub, eh?


>
> --
> William Black
>
>
> I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
> Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
> I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
> All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
> Time for tea.
>
>
>
>

Sharx35

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Markku Grönroos wrote:
>> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>> viestissÀ:9nrkc397lrmi3ul9476d3odvnv37ahi926@4ax. com...
>>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, Markku Grönroos
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>>>> viestissÀ:nl3jc3pki22123egcss1f7vrbitem9vb0v@4ax. com...
>>>>>
>>>>> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
>>>>> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not
>>>>> having
>>>>> a mobile phone seems silly.
>>>>>
>>>> Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need
>>>> one.
>>>
>>> I find a phone to keep in touch with people even more useful when
>>> I'm
>>> traveling than it is at home. It also serves as a camera, an alarm
>>> clock, a GPS, and a way to check my emails. Something so compact
>>> that
>>> does all that and only weighs around 100g easily justifies being
>>> taken along on any trips I make.
>>>
>> Fortunately I don't have to be available for other people at work by
>> phone. Actually I seldom carry a phone when I am out of home. When I
>> am back I just check the calls. If wandering in wilderness, a phone
>> may be a good piece in security terms, but on the other hand I have
>> never went deep in to wild vistas all my own.
>
> If you're going "deep in to wild vistas" the cell phone usually won't
> work anyway. Taking a day hike in Connecticut it's nice to have in
> case you slip and break your leg, but coverage when you're away from
> areas of high population density starts to get spotty.

And what are the odds about breaking your leg on a hike in Connecticut and
someone NOT coming along with seconds? I've hiked all over the Canadian
Rockies WITHOUT breaking my leg and WITHOUT a cell phone OR a GPS unit.
Never got lost. Never got injured. You pansies are a bunch of nervous
Nellies who can't get off the electronic teat.




>
> Even driving the Trans-Labrador Highway you won't have cell
> coverage--for one segment of if the Canadian government will loan you
> a 911-only satphone at no charge.
>
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>
>

Chris Blunt

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:46:22 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Chris Blunt wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:26:47 GMT, "sharx35" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, Markku Gr�nroos
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>>>>> viestiss�:[email protected] om...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
>>>>>> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not
>>>>>> having a mobile phone seems silly.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need
>>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> I find a phone to keep in touch with people even more useful when
>>>> I'm traveling than it is at home. It also serves as a camera, an
>>>> alarm clock, a GPS, and a way to check my emails. Something so
>>>> compact that does all that and only weighs around 100g easily
>>>> justifies being taken along on any trips I make.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>
>>> They take lousy quality pictures.
>>
>> In fact I think the 5 megapixel camera on my Nokia N95 takes better
>> pictures than my Canon IXUS which I bought only a couple of years
>> ago.
>> It may not be a professional quality camera, I don't think anyone
>> would describe the quality as lousy.
>>
>>> No, you do NOT need GPS unless you are,
>>> perhaps, on safari and surely the OPERATORS of the safari will take
>>> care of THAT need.
>>
>> No, I certainly don't *need* GPS, but its was very nice to have
>> while
>> driving around Thailand a few weeks ago. On several occasions it
>> made
>> finding locations we were visiting a lot easier.
>>
>>> E-mails can be checked at any one of the MILLIONS of cyber cafes
>>> in the world.
>>
>> Of course, and that's probably what I'd do if I wanted to do any
>> serious work online. The advantage for me is being able to check
>> instantly from anywhere whether there's any email that needs
>> attending
>> to in the first place, without even having to go near an internet
>> cafe.
>
>Personally I've never gotten an email that _needed_ checking. If
>someone really wants to get hold of me they can call and if they want
>to get hold of me when I'm on vacation they can bloody well leave a
>message and wait until I get home.

In that case you would have absolutely no need for such a function on
a mobile phone. Not everyone is in the lucky position of being so
independent of email.

>The cell phone is for _my_ convenience, not for the convenience of
>others. While I always carry it, unless I'm using it or expecting a
>call from someone I want to talk to, it's turned off.

I don't travel in order to place myself in some kind of self-imposed
isolation, and I usually have friends in places I travel to. A mobile
is invaluable for keeping in contact with them, arranging meetings,
dealing with last minute changes of plan etc. Unimportant phone calls
on a mobile can be a nuisance so I normally use text messaging rather
than making voice calls because I find it far less intrusive. If other
people find writing letters to friend in advance, making use of
carrier pigeons, or leaving messages at hotel reception desks a
convenient way to achieve the same thing, then good for them.

Chris

Me

On Aug 21, 8:19 am, "sharx35" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
[snip]
> > "Markku Gr�nroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected] hti.fi...
>
> >> I have arranged my travels so that there is little need to be instantly
> >> available. When I want to be in touch to outside world I lease a computer
> >> for a moment to send and receive mail. Sometimes it can be beneficial to
> >> book for mass transportation in advance by phone but I leave this to the
> >> hotel personnel. That's why they are there in the first place (typically
> >> the language barrier hinders me to contact the agent anyways).
>
> > Why do you restrict yourself to environments where you don't need a phone.
>
> > Mine is mainly used as an alarm clock when I'm on holiday, and a means of
> > contacting my wife if we separated somewhere we're unfamiliar with.
>
> > --
> > William Black
>
> So, how exactly did you manage to survive BEFORE this great invention?
[snip]

Actually, it is more of a case of society organizing itself around
the
presumption that one will have a cell phone. We were on a walking
tour recently and arrived at our B&B. No answer at the door and a
note explaining we should "call" a number if there was no response
at the door. This was the first trip upon which we had one so we
did. The guy was in the basement. (I wanted to tell him he owed
me 1.50.)

We passed innumerable signs for various services on these
mountain paths, all listing phone numbers to call. Society is
organizing itself around the presumption of a mobile phone.
It is not much different than when it organized itself around
a check book. It is rapidly doing so with respect to ATM's
and debit cards. It long ago did with respect to credit cards.
(Try renting a car in the US without one). It's not that one will
not be able to "get along" without one. Merely that they will
be choosing to exclude themselves from many opportunities.
(Which for some will be the point). Based upon some problems
from the last trip, I think I'll be acquiring SOME capability
to access the internet before my next trip over the pond.

-Magda

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:38:04 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "William Black"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

...
... "sharx35" <[email protected]> wrote in message
... news:fLyyi.87$Pd4.76@edtnps82...
...
... > Those guys who are saddled with "high maintenance" wives, take note.
... >
... >
...
... Define 'high maintenance' in this case please.

Do you really need further explanation?

-Magda

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:13:52 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, "Rog'"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote:
... > "sharx35" <[email protected]> wrote:
... >> Those guys who are saddled with "high maintenance" wives,
... >> take note.
... > Define 'high maintenance' in this case please.
...
... Try lugging a 50lb. pullman up three flights of narrow stairs in
... a B&B in Bath, and you might have an idea of what it means,
... in this case. The phrase "heavy luggage" wife doesn't sound
... as classy. As much as I hate to admit it, Magda's comment
... about potential hernias hit close to home. :-/

Hernias must hurt much less than admitting that one is married to a brat.

J. Clarke

sharx35 wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Markku Gr�nroos wrote:
>>> "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>>> viestiss�:[email protected] om...
>>>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300, Markku Gr�nroos
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>>>>> viestiss�:[email protected] om...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the
>>>>>> free
>>>>>> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not
>>>>>> having
>>>>>> a mobile phone seems silly.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need
>>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> I find a phone to keep in touch with people even more useful when
>>>> I'm
>>>> traveling than it is at home. It also serves as a camera, an
>>>> alarm
>>>> clock, a GPS, and a way to check my emails. Something so compact
>>>> that
>>>> does all that and only weighs around 100g easily justifies being
>>>> taken along on any trips I make.
>>>>
>>> Fortunately I don't have to be available for other people at work
>>> by
>>> phone. Actually I seldom carry a phone when I am out of home. When
>>> I
>>> am back I just check the calls. If wandering in wilderness, a
>>> phone
>>> may be a good piece in security terms, but on the other hand I
>>> have
>>> never went deep in to wild vistas all my own.
>>
>> If you're going "deep in to wild vistas" the cell phone usually
>> won't
>> work anyway. Taking a day hike in Connecticut it's nice to have
>> in
>> case you slip and break your leg, but coverage when you're away
>> from
>> areas of high population density starts to get spotty.
>
> And what are the odds about breaking your leg on a hike in
> Connecticut and someone NOT coming along with seconds?

If it happens on a Monday you may lie there for a week.

> I've hiked
> all over the Canadian Rockies WITHOUT breaking my leg and WITHOUT a
> cell phone OR a GPS unit. Never got lost. Never got injured. You
> pansies are a bunch of nervous Nellies who can't get off the
> electronic teat.

Anybody who thinks "it can't happen to me because it hasn't happened
to me" doesn't have a firm grasp on reality.

And the fact that you call people who make choices different from
yours "pansies" and "nervous Nellies" tells me that you are insecure
in your own choices and find it necessary to bolster your own pitiful
ego by demeaning others.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Chris Blunt

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:19:35 GMT, "sharx35" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Markku Gr�nroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected] ti.fi...
>>>
>>
>>> I have arranged my travels so that there is little need to be instantly
>>> available. When I want to be in touch to outside world I lease a computer
>>> for a moment to send and receive mail. Sometimes it can be beneficial to
>>> book for mass transportation in advance by phone but I leave this to the
>>> hotel personnel. That's why they are there in the first place (typically
>>> the language barrier hinders me to contact the agent anyways).
>>
>> Why do you restrict yourself to environments where you don't need a phone.
>>
>> Mine is mainly used as an alarm clock when I'm on holiday, and a means of
>> contacting my wife if we separated somewhere we're unfamiliar with.
>>
>> --
>> William Black
>
>So, how exactly did you manage to survive BEFORE this great invention?

Survival isn't the issue. Its a question of doing things more
efficiently so that you waste less time carrying out boring routine
tasks and more time doing things you enjoy. Because of these kinds of
technological advances many people can travel to places they would
never have been able to afford to go to before. When they get there
they can do their work from a laptop on a beach instead of pushing
paperwork around stuck behind a desk in some office on the other side
of the world.

Chris

J. Clarke

sharx35 wrote:
> "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Markku Gr�nroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected] ti.fi...
>>>
>>
>>> I have arranged my travels so that there is little need to be
>>> instantly available. When I want to be in touch to outside world I
>>> lease a computer for a moment to send and receive mail. Sometimes
>>> it can be beneficial to book for mass transportation in advance
>>> by
>>> phone but I leave this to the hotel personnel. That's why they are
>>> there in the first place (typically the language barrier hinders
>>> me
>>> to contact the agent anyways).
>>
>> Why do you restrict yourself to environments where you don't need a
>> phone.
>>
>> Mine is mainly used as an alarm clock when I'm on holiday, and a
>> means of contacting my wife if we separated somewhere we're
>> unfamiliar with.
>>
>> --
>> William Black
>
> So, how exactly did you manage to survive BEFORE this great
> invention?

Who said anything about survival?

I'm sure that Ugh asked Gugh how he managed to survive BEFORE that
newfangled idea of wrapping some skins around yourself to keep warm
was invented.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

kurkku

"Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestiss�:[email protected] om...
>
> never have been able to afford to go to before. When they get there
> they can do their work from a laptop on a beach instead of pushing
> paperwork around stuck behind a desk in some office on the other side
> of the world.
>
>
I thought the clerk was on holiday......... Moreover, sand would damage the
computer in no time.