On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:55:47 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Then there are his jeans. He's obviously never gotten soaked to the
>skin in cool weather in jeans and then had to live in them or go
>naked. And his recommendation to cut them off if it gets hot--so what
>does he do if it then turns cool?

He uses the needle and thread of course.

>I thought the electric shaver was a bad call but thinking about it I'm
>not sure it's any heavier than a disposable and a can of shave cream.

shave cream? if you're really into that, then a soap stick or a
shaving oil are much, much smaller in weight, but soap is plenty.

Jim.

>> [xeroxing pages is] a good alternative,
>> especially if you only need a few pages.
.
> But be careful with that--copy paper is generally a
> heavier grade

True, plus a person making Xeroxes in a hurry may only xerox to one
side of each page, doubling the number of pages needed.

A lot depends on your mode of travel. A big book is more hassle for
someone backpacking than for someone who's cruising around in a rental
car.

> If I was in shape to ride a bicycle all over the place
> I'd just ride the damned bicycle and not bother with
> the public transportation.

Nice in theory but not always practical, due to big distances between
cities, mountain ranges, urban areas with heavy traffic, etc.

James

Jim Ley wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:55:47 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Then there are his jeans. He's obviously never gotten soaked to
>> the
>> skin in cool weather in jeans and then had to live in them or go
>> naked. And his recommendation to cut them off if it gets hot--so
>> what does he do if it then turns cool?
>
> He uses the needle and thread of course.

You mean the needle and thread that he left at home?

>> I thought the electric shaver was a bad call but thinking about it
>> I'm not sure it's any heavier than a disposable and a can of shave
>> cream.
>
> shave cream? if you're really into that, then a soap stick or a
> shaving oil are much, much smaller in weight, but soap is plenty.

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>>> [xeroxing pages is] a good alternative,
>>> especially if you only need a few pages.
> .
>> But be careful with that--copy paper is generally a
>> heavier grade
>
> True, plus a person making Xeroxes in a hurry may only xerox to one
> side of each page, doubling the number of pages needed.
>
> A lot depends on your mode of travel. A big book is more hassle for
> someone backpacking than for someone who's cruising around in a rental
> car.

Except that if you're renting a car you do rather tend not to hang about
much but a backpacker spends a lot of time waiting for the next
bus/train/aircraft.


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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> William Black wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/packlight.html
>>>
>>
>> This guy carries a HUGE bottle of shampoo, vitamin pills and
>> aspirin, but doesn't carry Imodium or a mobile phone...
>
> Or an ace bandage or any other kind of first aid items.
>
>> He carries a towel that weighs half a pound...
>>
>> But he doesn't carry a change of trousers...
>
> Maybe he carries the big towel because that's what he wears when he's
> washing his jeans in the sink in the bathroom in the bus station.
>
> Then there are his jeans. He's obviously never gotten soaked to the
> skin in cool weather in jeans and then had to live in them or go
> naked. And his recommendation to cut them off if it gets hot--so what
> does he do if it then turns cool?

He's also never been to the tropics.

You're 20oz Levies are way too warm...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>He also recommends you buying batteries when you need them, which does
>>rather seem to indicate that he doesn't get off the beaten track much...
>
> Depends what kind of batteries you need... AA cells and 9V batteries
> are available just about anywhere.

Not outside tourist areas in the Third World.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:08:41 GMT, the renowned "William Black"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/packlight.html
>>>
>>
>>This guy carries a HUGE bottle of shampoo, vitamin pills and aspirin,
>>but
>>doesn't carry Imodium or a mobile phone...
>
> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free

I too take my own shampoo, but I think it was the quantity
that's the issue. I decant it into those little bottles that
hotels give away. One of these easily last a week.


tim

"Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
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>>
>> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
>> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not having a
>> mobile phone seems silly.
>>
> Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need one.

Some people go to places where a mobile phone will work and there aren't any
public phones.

I makes a certain amount of sense to carry a PAYG mobile with a few pounds
credit on it just in case you have a nasty experience.

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William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

me wrote on Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:33:35 -0700:

I tend to agree: I will use a clipped version of your points.

m> Something can be cheap to acquire, but I know I'll need
m> it almost immediatly upon arrival, if not sooner, so I'll
m> frequenlty just take it with me.

m> Clothes I own and it can be time consuming to purchase
m> them there so I tend to take them with me. Some clothes are
m> unlikely to be needed so if I do end up needing them, I'll
m> buy them there. This is especially true of something bulky
m> like a jacket or sweater.

m> Chargers, converters, cameras, computers, etc. I own
m> and it can be time consuming and expensive to
m> shop for them upon arrival, so I tend to bring them.

Another thing to consider is the weight of your suitcase. I
discovered this when one airline started rigorously applying a
50lb weight limit and I had to take things out and carry them
on. I weighed the suitcase when I got home and it was 20lb:
*empty*! I now have one the same size that weighs 10lb.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Aug 20, 2:47 pm, "James Silverton" <[email protected]>
wrote:
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> Another thing to consider is the weight of your suitcase. I
> discovered this when one airline started rigorously applying a
> 50lb weight limit and I had to take things out and carry them
> on. I weighed the suitcase when I got home and it was 20lb:
> *empty*! I now have one the same size that weighs 10lb.


Yup. Had to give up my beloved hard side. Thing weighed
17 lbs empty. Switched to one of those "crushable" sided
cases. It was about half as heavy. My toothpaste however
ruptured under the crushing weight of something though.

Make credence recognised that on Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:58:18 +0300,
Markku Grönroos <[email protected]> has scripted:

>
>"Spehro Pefhany" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
>viestissä:nl3jc3pki22123egcss1f7vrbitem9vb0v@4ax .com...
>>
>> I carry a small bottle of shampoo, because I don't like the free
>> stuff. Maybe 200ml, which could last for several weeks. Not having a
>> mobile phone seems silly.
>>
>Why? When travelling on holiday, you need a phone. I don't need one.

Until you need one, and then you need one.

Phones are very handy devices in some situations.
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me wrote on Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:52:51 -0700:

m> On Aug 20, 2:47 pm, "James Silverton"
m> <[email protected]> wrote:
m> [snip]
??>> Another thing to consider is the weight of your suitcase.
??>> I discovered this when one airline started rigorously
??>> applying a 50lb weight limit and I had to take things out
??>> and carry them on. I weighed the suitcase when I got home
??>> and it was 20lb: *empty*! I now have one the same size
that
??>> weighs 10lb.

m> Yup. Had to give up my beloved hard side. Thing weighed
m> 17 lbs empty. Switched to one of those "crushable" sided
m> cases. It was about half as heavy. My toothpaste however
m> ruptured under the crushing weight of something though.

I have learned thro' sad experience that tubes of liquids or
pastes in checked soft luggage should be put in sealed plastic
bags as well!

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"me" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Aug 20, 2:47 pm, "James Silverton" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> [snip]
>> Another thing to consider is the weight of your suitcase. I
>> discovered this when one airline started rigorously applying a
>> 50lb weight limit and I had to take things out and carry them
>> on. I weighed the suitcase when I got home and it was 20lb:
>> *empty*! I now have one the same size that weighs 10lb.
>
>
> Yup. Had to give up my beloved hard side. Thing weighed
> 17 lbs empty. Switched to one of those "crushable" sided
> cases. It was about half as heavy. My toothpaste however
> ruptured under the crushing weight of something though.
>

Try Europe and Asia.

Weight limit is now about 44lb (20Kg) on most flights.

Carry-on limit is about 14lb, and they're starting weighing them...


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Aug 20, 3:11 pm, "William Black" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "me" <[email protected]> wrote in message
[snip]
> > Yup. Had to give up my beloved hard side. Thing weighed
> > 17 lbs empty. Switched to one of those "crushable" sided
> > cases. It was about half as heavy. My toothpaste however
> > ruptured under the crushing weight of something though.
>
> Try Europe and Asia.
>
> Weight limit is now about 44lb (20Kg) on most flights.
>
> Carry-on limit is about 14lb, and they're starting weighing them...


Last trip to England on VA, my bag was over their limit of about
24kg
(actually 22 but they'd stop quibbling at 24). They watched me
as I took heavy books out of the suitcase, and into my carry on
and into my wifes suitcase (which was below their limit) .
It satisfied them, but I wanted to point out that the plane was still
just as heavy.

"me" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Aug 20, 3:11 pm, "William Black" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> "me" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> [snip]
>> > Yup. Had to give up my beloved hard side. Thing weighed
>> > 17 lbs empty. Switched to one of those "crushable" sided
>> > cases. It was about half as heavy. My toothpaste however
>> > ruptured under the crushing weight of something though.
>>
>> Try Europe and Asia.
>>
>> Weight limit is now about 44lb (20Kg) on most flights.
>>
>> Carry-on limit is about 14lb, and they're starting weighing them...
>
>
> Last trip to England on VA, my bag was over their limit of about
> 24kg
> (actually 22 but they'd stop quibbling at 24). They watched me
> as I took heavy books out of the suitcase, and into my carry on
> and into my wifes suitcase (which was below their limit) .
> It satisfied them, but I wanted to point out that the plane was still
> just as heavy.
>

Things are bad in the UK air passenger industry at the moment.

The low cost people are pinching loads of the short haul passengers.

The insane security at Heathrow is making transit passengers stay away in
droves.

People like me are actually seriously considering going to Holland on the
ferry rather than catch a shuttle down to Heathrow for an onwards flight (I
won't be, Emirates are now flying from Newcastle)

In a desperate attempt to raise some money a number of airlines have cut
luggage allowances from 23 Kg to 20 Kg on non USA flights and are making
lots of people pay for excess baggage.

It's not going to work, it's going to piss off an awful lot of people and
when the low cost airlines start doing long haul flights people will flock
to them.


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.